dex on high carb days?

[akomabutisakama]

should i use dextrose pwo on high carb days (i am carb cycling)or should i not create an insulin spike

[johnnyironboard]

sugar should be fine on high carb days.

[Bouncer79]

you should use dextrose EVERYDAY in a PW shake

[Rippd]

you should use dextrose EVERYDAY in a PW shake

agreed. You don't get a huge insulin spike post workout anyway because your insulin sensitivity is increased in the post workout state (unless you use a huge amount which is not necessary anyway).

[akomabutisakama]

umm no carb days bro i got 3

[Bouncer79]

umm no carb days bro i got 3

Carb cycling or not, you should use dextrose every single day. If you're doing a carb-deplete day you should still use the dextrose, but at a smaller amount (about 25-30g). The dextrose is so quick absorbing that it should allow you to help drive aminos to the muscle without creating a long pituitary triggering of insulin.

[Kurz]

Carb cycling or not, you should use dextrose every single day. If you're doing a carb-deplete day you should still use the dextrose, but at a smaller amount (about 25-30g). The dextrose is so quick absorbing that it should allow you to help drive aminos to the muscle without creating a long pituitary triggering of insulin.

bingo

[akomabutisakama]

but on no carb days the point is to deplete all glycocen stores so it is in a fat burning zone right correct me if im wrong but thats is what all of the arciles i have read on carb cycling tell me

[Bouncer79]

but on no carb days the point is to deplete all glycocen stores so it is in a fat burning zone right correct me if im wrong but thats is what all of the arciles i have read on carb cycling tell me

Wrong. Metabolism is based of glycogen in the liver. Your ultimate goal is to deplete the liver but keep the muscle stores as full as possible. Dextrose is so extremely fast acting that you want the aid of it to assist amino transporting to the muscle cells and then have the insulin triggering cease to drop back to a ketogenic state.

[youenjoymyself]

3 no carb days sounds a little low to me anyways. does that mean every day you don't lift is a no carb day? i really haven't read up on cycling all that much so maybe thats how it works, but it just seems like that would be comprimising recovery.

[Bouncer79]

3 no carb days sounds a little low to me anyways. does that mean every day you don't lift is a no carb day? i really haven't read up on cycling all that much so maybe thats how it works, but it just seems like that would be comprimising recovery.

It should be exactly the opposite. No carb-days should be for lifting days (except for the PW shake with dex) and regular ingesting of carbs shouls be done on non-lifting days to aid in recovery and glycogen replenishment.

[taffer]

dex or oats it wont make any difference, you dont need a high-GI super spike post-workout

[Bouncer79]

dex or oats it wont make any difference, you dont need a high-GI super spike post-workout

Yes you do. Explain the point of using exogenous slin then is? Dextrose is far from the same effect as slin but it's damn closer than oats.

[taffer]

its too complex to explain and i cant be bothered.... have a read of a few links...

http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f=12&t=3235&
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showt...ight=cranberry
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...&page=29&pp=30 (bobo + alans comments)

[Bouncer79]

its too complex to explain and i cant be bothered.... have a read of a few links...

http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f=12&t=3235&
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showt...ight=cranberry
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...&page=29&pp=30 (bobo + alans comments)

Great arguement that you "can't be bothered".

[taffer]

yeah i cant be bothered since i've repeated myself about 100000000 times
try doing some READING, or RESEARCH before you start talking, why should i go and post all the studies and arguments when you could simply click on those links and maybe learn something, as i once did

i tried super-high-GI, dex bomb post-workout, i've found lower-GI makes me feel better, with the same if not better results

im not saying high-GI doesnt work, im saying that low-GI produces the same effects without some "side-effects" i dont want, i know alot of other people can say the same thing as me, feeling better, etc...

[Bouncer79]

yeah i cant be bothered since i've repeated myself about 100000000 times
try doing some READING, or RESEARCH before you start talking, why should i go and post all the studies and arguments when you could simply click on those links and maybe learn something, as i once did

i tried super-high-GI, dex bomb post-workout, i've found lower-GI makes me feel better, with the same if not better results

im not saying high-GI doesnt work, im saying that low-GI produces the same effects without some "side-effects" i dont want, i know alot of other people can say the same thing as me, feeling better, etc...

I'm years deep in research and reading... so don't think I'm some new jack. It's an on-going DEBATE that has never come to a close on which carb-source is better. I oppose your view and will argue to the teeth the High-GI side of it. I've had threads involving this with Bobo as well, I'm still sold on the dextrose from my own research and personal use.

I've posted a million threads with research and studies and journals of experience too, so I can appreciate the annoyance of these threads never stopping.

[Jules Verne]

yeah i cant be bothered since i've repeated myself about 100000000 times

Yea and we are getting fed up with it as well.

[Jules Verne]

i tried super-high-GI, dex bomb post-workout, i've found lower-GI makes me feel better, with the same if not better results

Well whoop-i-di-doo. Has it ever occured to you that many of us have also tried the low GI route and found it does NOT work as well?

Your high-and-mighty 'I am right, you are wrong' attitude is not helping anyone here. You sound like a 'born again' evangelist and while I believe that you think you are going us all a favor by spreading the gospel, do yourself a favor, save the typing and move on to a different subject.

[taffer]

I'm years deep in research and reading... so don't think I'm some new jack. It's an on-going DEBATE that has never come to a close on which carb-source is better. I oppose your view and will argue to the teeth the High-GI side of it. I've had threads involving this with Bobo as well, I'm still sold on the dextrose from my own research and personal use.

I've posted a million threads with research and studies and journals of experience too, so I can appreciate the annoyance of these threads never stopping.

did i ever say high-GI doesnt work? NO
of course it works, no one ever disputed that, just that the FACT is that low-gi ALSO WORKS
you can argue left and right that high-GI works, frankly i dont care, just as high-GI works for you, low-GI works for me, and alot of other people, hell there are people who just eat chicken and rice post-workout, there isnt much difference, as long as the rest of your diet is solid its not going to make much difference, i feel that everyone think that their "air thight" 100g of dex and 50g of whey post-workout will save them from an otherwise crappy diet
when if they are just taking in only sugar post-workout and no other micronutrients their diet will probly be lacking, and that will be why they arent gaining!

[Andrew69]

Well whoop-i-di-doo. Has it ever occured to you that many of us have also tried the low GI route and found it does NOT work as well?

Your high-and-mighty 'I am right, you are wrong' attitude is not helping anyone here. You sound like a 'born again' evangelist and while I believe that you think you are going us all a favor by spreading the gospel, do yourself a favor, save the typing and move on to a different subject.

Im not going to get into this HIGH GI/LOW GI debate, but I will say this;
taffer has helped more people around this place than your good self.

You should show a little more respect because you might need his advice one day.