1st Bulk Completed. Opinions greatly apreciated.

Dreamer_ · 08-04-2007, 03:14 AM

Hey fellas.
Well i've been bulking ever since i started lifting being about 1 year and 5 months.

I started with the following:
Height: 6'1
Weight: 60kg / 132lbs
Age: 17

I am Currently:
Height: 6'2
Weight: 91kg / 202lbs
Age: 18

Here are my progress Pictures

Before i started at 60kg / 132lbs:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...e/Picture8.jpg
Front Progress:

Back Progress:

Side: Progress:

Current relaxed picture:

Another Current Relaxed picture:

Now at 91kg / 202lbs:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...eefe/after.jpg

My Diet Consisted of:
Monday - Friday:
1st meal:
7 weet bix 2 eggs and glass of milk
2nd Meal:
Bowl Of continental chicken and vegetables family pack rice (125grams)
3rd Meal:
Bowl Of continental chicken and vegetables family pack rice (125grams)
4th Meal:
Bowl Of continental chicken and vegetables family pack rice (125grams)
5th Meal:
3 eggs and glass of milk or water
6th Meal:
Bowl Of continental chicken and vegetables family pack rice (125grams)
7th Meal:
Bowl Of continental chicken and vegetables family pack rice (125grams)
8th Meal:
7 weetbix 2 eggs and glass of milk
-GYM Time-
9th meal Whole large chicken and glass of milk or water

Saturday and Sunday
Consisted of anything i felt like really.
Whole chickens, Rump steaks, Weetbix and occasionally cheat meals.

My current workout is as Follows:

-Monday-
Chest/Triceps

Incline Dumbbell Flyes 3 x 4-6
Flat Bench 3 x 4-6
Incline Bench 3 x 4-6

Dips 3 x 4-6
Close Grip bench 3 x 4-6

-Tuesday-
Back and Biceps:
Under hand Chin-ups 3 x 4-6
Dead lifts 3 x 4-6
Hammer Dumbbell Curls 3 x 4-6
Barbell Curls 3 x 4-6
One arm dumbbell rows 3 x 4-6
Using it as a super set with:
Ground Seated Cable Rows 3 x 4-6

-Wednesday-
Legs:
Leg Press 3 x 4-6
Squats 3 x 4-6
Lying Leg Curls 3 x 4-6
Seated Calf Raises 3 x 4-6

-Thursday-
Shoulders and Traps:
Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press 3 x 4-6
Dumbbell lateral Raises 3 x 4-6 (using drop sets with this exercise)
Barbell Upright Row 3 x 4-6
Lying Incline Deltoid Raise 3 x 4-6
Barbell Shrugs 3 x 4-6 (Using Drop sets with this exercise)

Friday:
I use this day to give special attention to any muscles that require it. I Also do abs

Currently i need more leg drive for my deadlifts so I'm incorporating another leg day.

Squats 3 x 4-6
Leg Press 3 x 4-6
Weighted Crunches 3 x 10-12
Hanging leg raises 3 x 10-12
Weighted side bends 3 x 10-12

But now all that being said.
My original plan was going to bulk to 100kg then cut to 90kg. But due my work not letting me eat during working hours exceptions of my breaks. I will find it alot harder. So i was thinking i would just maintain my weight and slowly cut off the fat. Should i incorporate 2 cardio days?
What are your thoughts on what or how i should go about my body now?

user13jefffrank · 08-04-2007, 03:40 AM

Good bulk. You've lost definition but I guess that's normal with a bulk.
You gunna cut now?

Devils · 08-04-2007, 03:40 AM

Looks like you gained a large amount of fat.

Maxum · 08-04-2007, 03:42 AM

People will argue with me, but I would say cut some calories, even when bulking. You are getting more than you need. Remember, taking in more calories than your muscles need to recover doesn't help you at all (it just means longer cutting periods during which you can't put on muscle)

Beowolf Agate · 08-04-2007, 03:47 AM

Good job. Now cut it up and lets see what you've built. Unless, of course, you wanna be bigger, in which case keep bulking. At this point, it'd be ok to lower your intake a tad. Not so much that your not a good way above maintenence, but a little less than you have been up till now.

Good luck.

Devils · 08-04-2007, 03:50 AM

People should say what they really think.

I think OP should cut down and start over. Its not just about eating everything in sight.

As for progress, for 1 year and 5 months thats pretty dismal.

Chris_1990 · 08-04-2007, 03:53 AM

Dude...I don't mean to flame but...damn you've gained a lot of fat !!

Cut now and then maybe we'll see how much actual muscle you've gained....

Dreamer_ · 08-04-2007, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devils

Its not just about eating everything in sight.

I agree thats why i ate clean foods.
at the end of a bulk your not exactly ment to look all that crash hot. Atleast thats how i've for seen it. You always add more bodyfat and i was expecting that.

The reason it says 1st bulk is because it is my first bulk. Then after that i was asking whether or not to maintain until my body recieves definition or start cutting to get definition.

I eventually want to bulk up to 120kg. and be around that size... defined.

The way your posts have been written it seems as though your frustrated at the fact that i'm proud of progress. Of course i'm proud of my progress. But that doesn't imply that i don't realise i have gained fat aswell. I am only a quarter of the way through. Body building is a lifetime commitment. My goal now is to even myself out. I made this thread based of the fact that i want as much info about doing that and getting the best results. In the best way possible.

So if possible would anyone be able to give me some links of articles about Hiit cardio training or just some gernal indepth advice.

Nevik21 · 08-04-2007, 04:24 AM

with a year and 5month of working out. you shoulda atleast gained some muscle but in those pictures i dont see any

bodyfuel · 08-04-2007, 04:29 AM

Take it easy kid, when you post pictures on a public forum asking for opinions, your going to get every possible response!! Thats what a critique is all about.

Now personally, from the pictures no one can tell how much of that 26 KG gain is muscle. You were pretty toned to start with but your back/lats/shoulders havent really gotten any thicker during the bulk and visually there's no indicators.

Your bigger for sure, but it seems you have gained excess in the mid-section / love handles.

Dont let comments here deter you.

Get on a good clean diet - High protein, moderate carbs. Drop the red meat and go hard on fish, chicken, eggs.

Do a 3-4 day split. 12-15rep range with moderate weight. Some serious cardio to lean out and loose that flab.

Also I suggest you do a lot of core exercise - Shoulder dips / Chinups / Pullups. Once in three weeks take a day off and do cardio / core till failure.

Dreamer_ · 08-04-2007, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bodyfuel

Take it easy kid, when you post pictures on a public forum asking for opinions, your going to get every possible response!! Thats what a critique is all about.

Now personally, from the pictures no one can tell how much of that 26 KG gain is muscle. You were pretty toned to start with but your back/lats/shoulders havent really gotten any thicker during the bulk and visually there's no indicators.

Your bigger for sure, but it seems you have gained excess in the mid-section / love handles.

Dont let comments here deter you.

Get on a good clean diet - High protein, moderate carbs. Drop the red meat and go hard on fish, chicken, eggs.

Do a 3-4 day split. 12-15rep range with moderate weight. Some serious cardio to lean out and loose that flab.

Also I suggest you do a lot of core exercise - Shoulder dips / Chinups / Pullups. Once in three weeks take a day off and do cardio / core till failure.

Cheers. I honestly wasn't actually getting angry at all in the previous post i was merely pointing out what my expectations were etc. Sorry to all if i seemed hostile lol.

So what i was thinking i should do. Is include three days cardio aswell.

- Swimming for about an hour at HIIT
- Running For about an hour at HIIT
-Boxing for about 45 mins at HIIT

Would that be alright. Also i would like to spend about 30 mins on the tread mill after my workout 3 days a week.
Would this be optimal?

Also does anyone have links to a good article on HIIT training

Beowolf Agate · 08-04-2007, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevik21

with a year and 5month of working out. you shoulda atleast gained some muscle but in those pictures i dont see any

...How the hell can you tell? Looks like he gained some size to me.

If that's all fat, he was ****ing up BIG time in the gym. Seriously, cut it up. You'll look bigger.

You had little to no muscle/definition before. Now you probably have some muscle, just no definition. Get the definition and you'll look much better than where you started.

Devils · 08-04-2007, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bodyfuel

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Now personally, from the pictures no one can tell how much of that 26 KG gain is muscle.

That would be 31KG weight gained.

So lets see, maximum muscle gain 2lbs per month (if your lucky).

2lbs = 0.907 kg.

17 months x 0.907 = 15.4 kilograms or 33 pounds.

So roughly that would mean 15kg muscle and 15kg fat. From the pics it looks no where near 15kg muscle gained, its more like 5-10 kg lean muscle and 20 kg fat & fluid.

TeenGettingBig · 08-04-2007, 05:00 AM

Sorry mate but your face now looks kind of fat and it looks like you have gained a lot of body fat, and not much muscle at all.

Lift harder and bulk cleanly bro.

Good luck

safi connection · 08-04-2007, 05:01 AM

sorry man, but you added a TON of fat. you look normal in the before pics but now you just look like a fat guy, you've got a double chin and everything. I suggest hardcore cutting for at least 2 months and then try and bulk again whilst getting your diet/program much more in order. good luck

andrewmul · 08-04-2007, 05:03 AM

Good work in putting all that weight on but alot of it does look like fat. Your back hasnt got any wider. You can see in your midsection and your neck it looks like you have more dirty bulked than anything

What do friends and family say? DO they think you are just getting fat or more muscly?

Dreamer_ · 08-04-2007, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devils

That would be 31KG weight gained.

So lets see, maximum muscle gain 2lbs per month (if your lucky).

2lbs = 0.907 kg.

17 months x 0.907 = 15.4 kilograms or 33 pounds.

So roughly that would mean 15kg muscle and 15kg fat. From the pics it looks no where near 15kg muscle gained, its more like 5-10 kg lean muscle and 20 kg fat & fluid.

Alot of the fat is around my stomach. I'm ecto so losing weight is very easy. I've been looking forward to being able to do cardio.

I know my arms and shoulders have gotten alot bigger along with my legs. Probably the most muscle in them. There was no point including a picture of them as i had no before picture to go off of.

I can see your point about how it looks like i've gained no muscle etc. But nows all about cutting so nows my time to prove that i have.

I'll post my progress again in 2-3 months. Most of this fat will be gone. Going high intensity in the gym 4-5 days a week and getting more then my body needs. surely i will have a lot of muscle then i began with from the start.

Beowolf Agate · 08-04-2007, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreamer_

Alot of the fat is around my stomach. I'm ecto so losing weight is very easy. I've been looking forward to being able to do cardio.

I know my arms and shoulders have gotten alot bigger along with my legs. Probably the most muscle in them. There was no point including a picture of them as i had no before picture to go off of.

I can see your point about how it looks like i've gained no muscle etc. But nows all about cutting so nows my time to prove that i have.

Good for you. Show the fockers they're wrong!

Or look like a fool trying.

I've seen MUCH worse looking fellows who cut and look ripped/jacked afterwards.

andrewmul · 08-04-2007, 05:09 AM

Even on a bulk you should always do some cardio just to keep fitness and good health

Dreamer_ · 08-04-2007, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewmul

Even on a bulk you should always do some cardio just to keep fitness and good health

well i'm only 18 so its not like i don't have time to fix my mistakes. I've doubled on nearly all my lifts so theres still some good

Dreamer_ · 08-04-2007, 05:13 AM

Is there any threads / article specified for cutting. and diet foods i should be consuming etc. Will rep.

Devils · 08-04-2007, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreamer_

Is there any threads / article specified for cutting. and diet foods i should be consuming etc. Will rep.

Nutrition and fat loss sections is the best place to start, lots of good stuff there.

gountilfailure0 · 08-04-2007, 05:16 AM

running hiit for an hour? if ur running at 100 percent and then droping back u cant keep that up for an hour or it wouldnt be hiit hiit is a workout not ment to last laster than 20 to 25 minutes but yeah add more cardio and a cleaner diet and u will be fine

ARPace · 08-04-2007, 05:21 AM

time to cut i'd say, then come back with pictures so we have a better view of how much you've gained.

safi connection · 08-04-2007, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreamer_

Alot of the fat is around my stomach. I'm ecto so losing weight is very easy. I've been looking forward to being able to do cardio.

I know my arms and shoulders have gotten alot bigger along with my legs. Probably the most muscle in them. There was no point including a picture of them as i had no before picture to go off of.

I can see your point about how it looks like i've gained no muscle etc. But nows all about cutting so nows my time to prove that i have.

I'll post my progress again in 2-3 months. Most of this fat will be gone. Going high intensity in the gym 4-5 days a week and getting more then my body needs. surely i will have a lot of muscle then i began with from the start.

Just wanted to add dude, I did much the same as you for my first bulk. Started at 60 and bulked up to almost 90, and a LOT of it was fat. Luckily I started as a complete twig so in the eyes of most people I had gotten "buff" since I'd got a lot wider in the shoulders/chest/back. But now about 6 months after my peak weight of 90, having taken a bit of a break then seriously cutting, I realised I only put on about 12-13 kgs of solid lean mass. I'm def not going through that again, it's no fun having a gut

Dreamer_ · 08-04-2007, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gountilfailure0

running hiit for an hour? if ur running at 100 percent and then droping back u cant keep that up for an hour or it wouldnt be hiit hiit is a workout not ment to last laster than 20 to 25 minutes but yeah add more cardio and a cleaner diet and u will be fine

Cheers don't really know much about cutting. besides what i've read randomly in threads. I've always been concerned with bulking

whiteknight430 · 08-04-2007, 05:34 AM

90 perfent gained was fat, your face looks horrible now after the fat gain, It looks like you have down syndrome.....

Dreamer_ · 08-04-2007, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by whiteknight430

90 perfent gained was fat, your face looks horrible now after the fat gain, It looks like you have down syndrome.....

great statistics. You are truly an asset to this world.
I don't mind criticism... Constructive criticism that is. Was there any point to your post?
There might be a reason your in the red.

whiteknight430 · 08-04-2007, 05:50 AM

Its called the truth, you deserved a big dosage after wasting 1.5 years bodybuilding....If thats what you did. Looks like you just spent all your time at the ice cream factory.

shay14 · 08-04-2007, 05:57 AM

I have the same build as you, big traps, narrow shoulders, i started at 67 kg now 85 kg a little bit of fat gained, but i think you have some endomorph in you, you could be ecto endo, but honestly, when you see really big fat gains , you should lower your cals and do some cardio, it's all in the mirror, not always the scale, because now you got a lot of weight to cut, and you might be very dissapointed with the end result, like the others said, cut the excess weight, and do a much better 2nd bulk.