1,3-dimethylamylamine Review

[TUnit]

I picked up some 1,3-dimethylamylamine (aka Geranamine) and tried it out. It's some pretty powerful stuff. Here's a breakdown:

- 25 mg - Nice smooth stim effect, great focus
- 50 mg - Intense energy, incredible focus, big thermogenic effect (increased sweating, higher body temperature)

Make sure you have a really accurate scale that goes down to at least 10 mg if you pick some of this stuff up. Really.

I think the Chocamine in AMP might actually be reducing the effects of Geranamine. I don't know what it is, but when AX added Chocamine to StimX, the power of the formula decreased a lot. Maybe something to consider. But here's where it gets interesting. I tried this stuff with other compounds and the effects were nothing short of amazing (if you're into euphoria and all that crap, which I don't like that much, but it's fun).

- 25 mg 1,3-dimethylamylamine + 5 mg Yohimbine + 1000 mg PEA / 200 mg Hordenine

Let's just say that after about 20 minutes of ingestion, I start to feel very warm inside and extremely relaxed. I went outside to play some basketball and everything seemed so nice and quiet, as if I were in my own little world. I felt comfortably warm, and just wanted to sit around and chill and talk to someone. There was no crash, and the whole experience lasted around 3 hours or so, and then it wasn't a problem to go to sleep. I think this combination needs to have 200-400 mg caffeine to be excellent and maybe the 1,3-dimethylamylamine should be upped to 30-40 mg. I think it would be great for cardio, because you're feeling so damn good when you're on it, and nothing that happens affects you in the slightest - extreme relaxation, both mind relaxation and big-time muscle relaxation, i.e. everything felt kind of loose. With music, something with a nice driving beat, the effect is amplified big time. Huge euphoria, basically just smiling non-stop.

I'd say give it a shot if you really need a mood lift or have some tough cardio ahead, or just want to relax before a stressful event. I think this is a great compound and has a lot of potential, but in the future I'll only be combining it with caffeine, because for some reason, I really dislike euphoria. I don't really know why, but the idea of artificial happiness isn't really for me I guess.

So the bottom line is..

Intense Stimulant Effect
- Try 30-40 mg 1,3-dimethylamylamine + 200-400 mg Caffeine (very similar feeling to Ephedrine HCl + Caffeine)

Euphoria/Mood Lift
- 25 mg 1,3-dimethylamylamine + 1000 mg PEA / 200 mg Hordenine (slight MAO inhibition)

Hope this helps you guys out a little.

[pu12en12g]

Very nice

[TUnit]

Yea it was pretty cool, but the next day kind of sucked. It should be noted though, that PEA's effects are great increased when taken with stims and even a slight MAOi such as Hordenine.

[iw1]

good review

[kieltyka34]

great review, reps

[TUnit]

Originally Posted by pu12en12g

Very nice

Wondering if a true "EGCG" stack would be worth it for fat loss? Catchy name, eh?

Ephedrine - 25 mg
Geranamine - 25 mg
Caffeine - 200 mg
Green Tea Extact (For EGCG)

[J DIP]

Originally Posted by TUnit

Wondering if a true "EGCG" stack would be worth it for fat loss? Catchy name, eh?

Ephedrine - 25 mg
Geranamine - 25 mg
Caffeine - 200 mg
Green Tea Extact (For EGCG)

I've played around with EC and Lean Green/Clearshot...very impressive considering ECY did nothing for me in terms of energy boost which was my main goal. ECG is the way to go, for me. Can you throw a PM my way for the pure Geranamine? Can't afford the Clearshot anymore.

[TUnit]

One thing I think I need to add, is that the effects of stims are incredibly potentiated by the use of actual ergogenic aids such as creatine, beta-alanine, citrulline malate, cordygen5, BCAA's / EAA's, GAKIC, etc. Stims are great for the feeling you get on them, but to reap the true benefits, I think the use of a few ergogenic aids is vital. On stims, especially ones as powerful as Geranamine or Ephedrine, you feel you can do a lot more than usual. This is great and all, but this "feeling" needs to be supported by actual stuff that will allow you to reach the limits. I know I can push myself a lot harder on stims, but sometimes find myself out of breath. However, when it comes to performance enhancement, it is very hard to beat strong stims + Cordygen5.

That being said, I'll try some of these combos in the future and let you guys know how it goes. Look for:

- Geranamine + Ephedrine + Caffeine + Green Tea
- Geranamine + Ephedrine + Caffeine + Green Tea + Cordygen5
- Geranamine + Ephedrine + Caffeine + Green Tea + Creatine + Beta-Alanine
- ^^^ + Cordygen5 + BCAA's + Citrulline Malate + GAKIC + ALCAR

This last combo is something I'm gonna save for the week I do testing in 100m, 200m, 400m, and the mile. I have a strong feeling that it may very well be the best possible legal combination to date. All of the above will include around 100 g complex carbs (oatmeal) + 50 g whey protein about 2 hrs pre, for maximum effect. Eventually I'll also try it with some Naringin, for the potentiating benefits it may have.

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by J DIP

I've played around with EC and Lean Green/Clearshot...very impressive considering ECY did nothing for me in terms of energy boost which was my main goal. ECG is the way to go, for me. Can you throw a PM my way for the pure Geranamine? Can't afford the Clearshot anymore.

we are exploring clear shot effervescent tablets

would be much cheaper, just drop in water and after it dissolves you drink it

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by TUnit

One thing I think I need to add, is that the effects of stims are incredibly potentiated by the use of actual ergogenic aids such as creatine, beta-alanine, citrulline malate, cordygen5, BCAA's / EAA's, GAKIC, etc..

clear shot has 3 grams citrulline malate per bottle

[TUnit]

Yea, one of the main reasons I like it is due to the Geranamine + CM (without Chocamine). Also, I think the lack of Chocamine in Clear Shot may be one of the reasons it is more powerful than AMP, but I've found no evidence of any negative interactions.

I love ClearShot before basketball - it's fantastic and taste is pretty good. Those effervescent tabs would be very nice, looking forward to those if they come out.

[quigs]

If you've developed a tolerance to geranamine/never really gotten good results with it, then try taking around 50mg of pseudoephedrine (sudafed) along with it. Does not add the "jittery" component that ephedrine does, and greatly potentiates the effects of geranamine.

Honestly, its the best pre-workout combo that I've tried (and I've pretty much tried them all).

[J DIP]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

we are exploring clear shot effervescent tablets

would be much cheaper, just drop in water and after it dissolves you drink it

I'd be line for those..

[TUnit]

Originally Posted by quigs

If you've developed a tolerance to geranamine/never really gotten good results with it, then try taking around 50mg of pseudoephedrine (sudafed) along with it. Does not add the "jittery" component that ephedrine does, and greatly potentiates the effects of geranamine.

Honestly, its the best pre-workout combo that I've tried (and I've pretty much tried them all).

Sounds like a good idea, I'll try it out some time since I actually have some pseudoephedrine lying around. Thanks.

[Androgenic]

Great to hear on the idividual compound and varying combos. Good job on the review. I too would love the effervescent tabs.

[TUnit]

Thanks, this means a lot coming from someone as knowledgeable as you.

Let's hope those effervescent tabs come soon.

[TUnit]

Tried 200 mg Caffeine + 60 mg Pseudoephedrine.

The effects were nothing short of amazing and it was really enjoyable. Was amped like crazy and it was just the type of energy I love - explosive, felt strong, no euphoria crap, etc. They say pseudo is about 1/8 the strength of Ephedrine HCl so 60 mg should be around 7.5 mg Ephedrine, which isn't much at all, but it still felt incredible.

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by TUnit

Tried 200 mg Caffeine + 60 mg Pseudoephedrine.
.

with the geranamine or without?

[TUnit]

This one was without, so I could accurately judge the effects of the combination before adding the in the geranamine, probably on Saturday or Sunday, where it's gonna be Pseudo + Geranamine (50+ mg) + Caffeine. I think this way I can tell exactly how its working and learn about the synergy between the components of the "stack."

[quigs]

Originally Posted by TUnit

This one was without, so I could accurately judge the effects of the combination before adding the in the geranamine, probably on Saturday or Sunday, where it's gonna be Pseudo + Geranamine (50+ mg) + Caffeine. I think this way I can tell exactly how its working and learn about the synergy between the components of the "stack."

I actually found this one by accident when I had a bit of a cold. Took 60mg of pseudoephedrine in the morning to combat a stuffy nose. Still felt pretty lousy, so i had a few caps of amp pre-workout...having completely forgotten about the sudafed that morning.

When I got to the gym I had one of the most intense workouts in quite some time. I had built a tolerance to amp/geranamine at this point, so until then I wasn't getting nearly as much out of it. It wasn't until I got home that it dawned on my that it might have been the sudafed. Tried it again, and sure enough worked like a charm.

[quigs]

Originally Posted by TUnit

Tried 200 mg Caffeine + 60 mg Pseudoephedrine.

The effects were nothing short of amazing and it was really enjoyable. Was amped like crazy and it was just the type of energy I love - explosive, felt strong, no euphoria crap, etc. They say pseudo is about 1/8 the strength of Ephedrine HCl so 60 mg should be around 7.5 mg Ephedrine, which isn't much at all, but it still felt incredible.

IMO, you can't really compare pseudoephedrine to ephedrine like that. I realize that the potency is much less, but in my experience they have very different stimulating effects (when run at comparable dosages). Pseudoephedrine is much closer to norephedrine in effects based upon my experiences with the compounds.

[TUnit]

Hmm, I've heard that as well. I did some more researching today and it seems pseudo has more of the bronchodilating effects and ephedrine has more of the stimulating (CNS / PNS / SNS) effects even extrapolating the data for pseudo = 1/8 eph. That being said, I'll eventually pick up some Eph HCl and check it out with these various compounds.

Another thing I noticed is that Yohimbine HCl doesn't really have much of a stimulant effect on me. I've tried up to 7.5 mg solo. Just a weird "I feel like I'm gonna explode due to high blood pressure" type feeling. Is oral Yohimbine supposed to have a stimulatory effect, or is it more based on beta-receptor stimulation leading to fat loss?

[Blackjackcat]

I ordered some and plan to try a few different combo's, going off of yours.

[TUnit]

Cool, let us know how it goes. If you don't have a scale that goes to 0.001 g then you could put a gram in 50 mL of water and use a dropper and each mL with have 20 mg of the geranamine. Just a thought, wondering if Mr. Arnold could perhaps tell us how long it will stay stable in solution at room temp or if refrigerated..

[Androgenic]

I like this homebrew stuff. Keep it up guys!

[ab-swing asianbabe]

Originally Posted by TUnit

Cool, let us know how it goes. If you don't have a scale that goes to 0.001 g then you could put a gram in 50 mL of water and use a dropper and each mL with have 20 mg of the geranamine. Just a thought, wondering if Mr. Arnold could perhaps tell us how long it will stay stable in solution at room temp or if refrigerated..

Bump to this question. Great review, I've got a gram sitting here and just wondering how to experiment with it now.

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by TUnit

Hmm, I've heard that as well. I did some more researching today and it seems pseudo has more of the bronchodilating effects and ephedrine has more of the stimulating (CNS / PNS / SNS) effects even extrapolating the data for pseudo = 1/8 eph. That being said, I'll eventually pick up some Eph HCl and check it out with these various compounds.

Another thing I noticed is that Yohimbine HCl doesn't really have much of a stimulant effect on me. I've tried up to 7.5 mg solo. Just a weird "I feel like I'm gonna explode due to high blood pressure" type feeling. Is oral Yohimbine supposed to have a stimulatory effect, or is it more based on beta-receptor stimulation leading to fat loss?

i f*cking hate yohimbine

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by Androgenic

I like this homebrew stuff. Keep it up guys!

i think its time to sell geranamine caps under giant

[Random907]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

i f*cking hate yohimbine

x 2

Made me feel horrible.

[TUnit]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

i f*cking hate yohimbine

Yohimbine makes me feel that way - when I'm on it. Once it wears off, I am relieved, but I just don't see the point in using it anymore.

Just a quick bump to the other question..how long could the geranamine stay stable in solution?

As for the geranamine caps, that would be great. Measuring out this stuff is a pain, and I think having the caps makes it much safer, as I'm sure some people would try the entire gram at a time, and I've even heard of people on other forums sniffing the stuff.