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    Red face ephedrine HCL - need help on how much to take

    i just got my 12.5 ephedrine HCL and need to know how much is a safe quantity to take? I am going to stack it with White Willow and caffiene. I just need to know how many pills a day is safe?
    the caffiene is 200 mg and the white willow is 400mg
    should i take one pill of each 2 or 3 times a day
    or take 2 pills of the ephedrine and 1 of caffiene, and 1 of willow 2 or 3 times a day. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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    Start with 1 Ephedrine + 1 Caffeine per day and increase dosage cautiously.

    The reason is that everyone responds differently, and there is risk of side effects from the Guaifenesin (Vasopro).
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    Originally Posted by pu12en12g
    Start with 1 Ephedrine + 1 Caffeine per day and increase dosage cautiously.

    The reason is that everyone responds differently, and there is risk of side effects from the Guaifenesin (Vasopro).
    should i take it before i work out? Or in the morning?
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    should i take it before i work out? Or in the morning?
    It's up to you. Depending on what you're striving for, it can be used for both, bearing there is at least 4hrs in between. As a starter, I would take it 30min prior to a meal. When you can tolerate it, then take 2-3 dosages a day, seperated by 4hrs, 30min prior to foods and/or exercise (except HIIT). Don't forget to drink plenty of fluids
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    Originally Posted by sawastea
    It's up to you. Depending on what you're striving for, it can be used for both, bearing there is at least 4hrs in between. As a starter, I would take it 30min prior to a meal. When you can tolerate it, then take 2-3 dosages a day, seperated by 4hrs, 30min prior to foods and/or exercise (except HIIT). Don't forget to drink plenty of fluids

    Thanks, what is HIIT though? And would you take each dose with all 3 items?
    2-3 doses a day of the Stack, correct? (when my body can tolerate it).
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    I would not go over 75mg of E per day for sure
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    Originally Posted by Sixpack
    I would not go over 75mg of E per day for sure
    Agreed.

    More is not necessarily better with powerful fat burners like E-HCL and Y-HCL
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    Originally Posted by pu12en12g
    Agreed.

    More is not necessarily better with powerful fat burners like E-HCL and Y-HCL
    My advice is always to cycle Y-hcl and E-hcl 6-8 weeks each in an alternating pattern so as to not build up too high of a tolerance of either and it allows you to continually use a stimulant without either interfering with the other's receptors.
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    Thermogenesis increases with ECA over time, while the sides decrease

    Here is how it works: Ephedrine works by stimulating the release of the bodies own noradrenaline, which stimulates ALL the adrenergic receptors. The stimulant side effects subside because they are primarily mediated by the beta-1 and beta-2 receptors, which downregulate during chronic use. Thus, the scientists were startled when they found that the thermogenic effect actually INCREASED with chronic use.

    This phenomena led scientists to believe that there must be an undiscovered receptor involved in noradrenaline-induced thermogenesis. Then the scientists found that -- even after blocking all the known adrenergic receptors -- non-selective drugs like ephedrine still caused a significant thermogenic effect. The evidence supporting the existence of an undiscovered receptor that is stimulated by noradrenaline continued to increase.

    Eventually, this led to the discovery of the beta 3 receptor, which is more resistant to desensitization (20, 21, 22, 23) than the other beta receptors -- and that is why the thermogenic effect of ECA is maintained so well during chronic use. Now you know why it is not necessary to "cycle" ECA. Indeed, why would you want to maintain the side effects when you can enjoy increased fat burning without ANY stimulation?

    This a cut and paste from this article - http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000006.htm ...a very informative read.
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