Full body training or not...?

Nikelaj · 01-10-2005, 01:35 PM

Hallo...i have been training totaly about 4 months...last 2 months i am training full body each time i go to gym...which is every 2nd or 3rd day...i tried to make these, maybe someone will call them too big pauses, but i thought that that would prevent overtraining...anyway, for that time, i made some, but pretty small progress..about 10lbs on bench press...
my training is like this:
pull ups, pull downs - back
bench press
flat barbell - biceps
laying extensions, dips-triceps
shoulder press,front raise-sholuders
...
i do every set with (mine) maximum weight after warming up, so that i do maximumly 3 sets of each exercise (i try to do it to failure), about 6-8 reps, sometimes 4...
i was taking whey protein(80 % concetrate, biotech, ultimate...)...tryed weider creatine, but seems that i was using not enough...
so...should i give up of full body trainings and split it, and how?thanx...

Monsterpump · 01-10-2005, 06:58 PM

3 sets a bp might be too much u could be overtraining..try one set.. per bp just put your all into it..or u could try a split

Neo_Anthony · 01-10-2005, 07:01 PM

what about legs? also can you hit the gym about about 3-4 times a week? try doing bicep and back on the same day and chest and tri on another.. if you find alot of gains with your routine then do it.. atleast incorporate some leg exercises though.

XBrock LesnarX · 01-10-2005, 08:12 PM

no get away from the full body workouts quick. do like day1 chest tri's-day2 backbi's-day3 legs-day4 shoulders traps

Bogan · 01-10-2005, 08:57 PM

You're missing the three core, essential lifts of a full-body routine: deadlifts, squats and dips.

You'll want to work those three exercises in somewhere, and you could do without the front shoulder raises and behind the neck pulldowns - I'd also replace the pullups with moderate-grip chins - but other than that it looks solid.

So long as you perform it three days a week at the most, you'll have plenty of time to recover, and your body will explode with growth from all the anabolic hormones being produced by heavy compound lifts.

Bogan · 01-10-2005, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by XBrock LesnarX

no get away from the full body workouts quick.

Mind explaining why, exactly?

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Originally Posted by XBrock LesnarX

do like day1 chest tri's-day2 backbi's-day3 legs-day4 shoulders traps

Yes sir. It might help if you give him a copy of the two stone tablets from which you are reading.

As for your ridiculous split....can you spell 'overtraining?'

EliteLifts · 01-10-2005, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogan

You're missing the three core, essential lifts of a full-body routine: deadlifts, squats and dips.

You'll want to work those three exercises in somewhere, and you could do without the front shoulder raises and behind the neck pulldowns - I'd also replace the pullups with moderate-grip chins - but other than that it looks solid.

So long as you perform it three days a week at the most, you'll have plenty of time to recover, and your body will explode with growth from all the anabolic hormones being produced by heavy compound lifts.

Good point iceberg.

EliteLifts · 01-10-2005, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogan

Mind explaining why, exactly?
Yes sir. It might help if you give him a copy of the two stone tablets from which you are reading.

As for your ridiculous split....can you spell 'overtraining?'

How do you know it's overtraining iceberg?

Don't believe he actually posted what lifts, sets, reps he is actually doing.

Bogan · 01-10-2005, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by EliteLifts

Good point iceberg.

Who is iceberg??

Moreover, could you possibly get any more obsessed with him?

Bogan · 01-10-2005, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EliteLifts

How do you know it's overtraining iceberg?

Don't believe he actually posted what lifts, sets, reps he is actually doing.

Why, it's overtraining because he's advocating training 4 days in a row without adequate time for recovery, iceberg's-number-one-fan.

EliteLifts · 01-10-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogan

Who is iceberg??

Moreover, could you possibly get any more obsessed with him?

Gee, I don't know, your old user name perhaps?

Obsessed, no. Just find it funny that you continue to act like a member here by the name of the iron lord, even under your new user name, but think that no one is smart enough to know you're a fake.

Still though, and back on topic, you did make a good point earlier. Compounds do need to be the bread and butter of a full body routine. Something like leg extensions, leg curls, kickbacks, and abs doesn't make a whole lot of sense in the scheme of abreviated training.

EliteLifts · 01-10-2005, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogan

Why, it's overtraining because he's advocating training 4 days in a row without adequate time for recovery, iceberg's-number-one-fan.

With all do respect though, he may, and I think he did mean, that those training days would not all be in a row. Something like m,t,th,f. If not, then you are right, that would be overtraining.

Nikelaj · 01-11-2005, 04:00 AM

Hallo...first of all, i wish to thank you all for such a quick answers and interest to help me...!
first of all, as i have written in my first message, i do not do this training in 4 days a row!...there is a rest 2-3 days between each training...to avoid overtraining...thanks elitelifts!and i do dips...
bogan...i was thinking like you that these heavy full body trainings will produce big results...but for now-i am not exactly sure...and training is like you can see in original message, food rich in prot and carbs...taking whey...resting enough...but something's wrong...don't know what...?

EliteLifts · 01-11-2005, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikelaj

Hallo...first of all, i wish to thank you all for such a quick answers and interest to help me...!
first of all, as i have written in my first message, i do not do this training in 4 days a row!...there is a rest 2-3 days between each training...to avoid overtraining...thanks elitelifts!and i do dips...
bogan...i was thinking like you that these heavy full body trainings will produce big results...but for now-i am not exactly sure...and training is like you can see in original message, food rich in prot and carbs...taking whey...resting enough...but something's wrong...don't know what...?

You're welcome. We were talking about Brock's post however, not yours.

XBrock LesnarX · 01-11-2005, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogan

Mind explaining why, exactly?
Yes sir. It might help if you give him a copy of the two stone tablets from which you are reading.

As for your ridiculous split....can you spell 'overtraining?'

ok u have fun growing with your stupied little full body workout's.im no where near overtrainning,im hitting all my body parts to make them grow

EliteLifts · 01-11-2005, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by XBrock LesnarX

ok u have fun growing with your stupied little full body workout's.im no where near overtrainning,im hitting all my body parts to make them grow

Full body workouts stupid? Um no, and neither are split routines.

How do you think that you dont hit all body parts while on a full body routine? Hmm, let me see, chins will hit back and bis. Bench press will hit chest/tris/shoulders, etc, etc.

Geez, you've made me feel dirty for having to side somewhat now with a person on my tosser list. I hope you are proud.

XBrock LesnarX · 01-12-2005, 10:33 AM

what r u goin on about here..i cant figure out why eny one would do a full body workiut in one day wha the hell would you do the next day??? ears and toes. go see if a pro does them . hell no

EliteLifts · 01-12-2005, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by XBrock LesnarX

what r u goin on about here..i cant figure out why eny one would do a full body workiut in one day wha the hell would you do the next day??? ears and toes. go see if a pro does them . hell no

Um, obviously you would rest.

ando88 · 01-12-2005, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by XBrock LesnarX

what r u goin on about here..i cant figure out why eny one would do a full body workiut in one day wha the hell would you do the next day??? ears and toes. go see if a pro does them . hell no

lol sounds like you don't know your stuff very well

full body workouts are great... i have been using one for 3 months and my gains have never been better. You should speak to Chadd Waterbury, leading strength coatch with a doctorate in medical science (and a practicing bodybuilder) he only does full body workouts.

I'm not saying splits are bad im just saying full body workouts can be just as effective if done corectly.

XBrock LesnarX · 01-12-2005, 07:19 PM

ok u lads go ahead with them wht ever u think. and dont worry about me i no lots about bodybuilding,more than you would ever no my man

dookie1481 · 01-12-2005, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by XBrock LesnarX

ok u lads go ahead with them wht ever u think. and dont worry about me i no lots about bodybuilding,more than you would ever no my man

But not much about grammar or spelling, apparently.

EliteLifts · 01-12-2005, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by XBrock LesnarX

ok u lads go ahead with them wht ever u think. and dont worry about me i no lots about bodybuilding,more than you would ever no my man

Um....I do a split routine myself. I was merely defending an equally successful way of training. Geez, will people on here ever learn that BOTH ways of training i.e. split and full body workouts, are effective?

Oh, and no, you do not know a lot about bodybuilding. Your statements prove as much.

ando88 · 01-13-2005, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by EliteLifts

Um....I do a split routine myself. I was merely defending an equally successful way of training. Geez, will people on here ever learn that BOTH ways of training i.e. split and full body workouts, are effective?

Oh, and no, you do not know a lot about bodybuilding. Your statements prove as much.

bump!!

Asskicker · 01-13-2005, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by XBrock LesnarX

ok u lads go ahead with them wht ever u think. and dont worry about me i no lots about bodybuilding,more than you would ever no my man

did you drop 300 lbs on your head while doing overhead presses...?

XBrock LesnarX · 01-13-2005, 01:14 PM

u guys r screwed up. goin on about nothin,rambling on. u guys shouldnt be on here if you dont no nothing about working out. id like to see you guys in the gym frigg it would be funny to see you's going. probley doing half reps and eating pop and chips

javaCoder8 · 01-13-2005, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by XBrock LesnarX

u guys r screwed up. goin on about nothin,rambling on. u guys shouldnt be on here if you dont no nothing about working out. id like to see you guys in the gym frigg it would be funny to see you's going. probley doing half reps and eating pop and chips

Step 1: Stop going to the gym.
Step 2: Substitute that time by going back to 3rd grade Grammar class.

XBrock LesnarX · 01-13-2005, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by javaCoder8

Step 1: Stop going to the gym.
Step 2: Substitute that time by going back to 3rd grade Grammar class.

You moron you dont having nothin to say so you talk about my Grammar.u must be still stuck in grade 3..

javaCoder8 · 01-13-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by XBrock LesnarX

u guys r screwed up. goin on about nothin,rambling on. u guys shouldnt be on here if you dont no nothing about working out. id like to see you guys in the gym frigg it would be funny to see you's going. probley doing half reps and eating pop and chips

I don't have anything to say??? What did you accomplish with the brilliant quote above? Nothing. YOU have nothing to say, Einstein.

Asskicker · 01-16-2005, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by javaCoder8

I don't have anything to say??? What did you accomplish with the brilliant quote above? Nothing. YOU have nothing to say, Einstein.

bump!

Obviously XBrock LesnarX doesn't have life outside the gym. This bird brain seems to have problem trying to open up his mind to new perspectives. It's basically his way or nothing at all. Apparently, he also seems to have problem absorbing what he should've already learned.....proper and correct grammar.

I wish idiots like this guy would open up their minds for a change. XBrock LesnarX, have you even tried full body training? If not, then SHUT THE HELL UP!

XBrock LesnarX · 01-16-2005, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Asskicker

bump!

Obviously XBrock LesnarX doesn't have life outside the gym. This bird brain seems to have problem trying to open up his mind to new perspectives. It's basically his way or nothing at all. Apparently, he also seems to have problem absorbing what he should've already learned.....proper and correct grammar.

I wish idiots like this guy would open up their minds for a change. XBrock LesnarX, have you even tried full body training? If not, then SHUT THE HELL UP!

Yeaaaaa buddy light weight