Overtraining occuring within workout

Murdok1741 · 07-25-2007, 03:53 PM

Is it possible? The only reason I ask is because I don't quite understand the logic behind it...because consider this:
1...the workouts are 3-4 days apart.
2...calorie surplus and proper diet
3...ample sleep
4...3- day split. Arms one day, chest and back another, and legs another.

With these factors considered, would it be possible to overtrain in a workout? If so, why, or how? Is it possible to train TOO hard within a workout?
With ample recovery time and proper nourishment, the muscles would be able to recuperate and grow further right? (also considering the workout involves going to failure)

domineaux · 07-25-2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Murdok1741

Is it possible? The only reason I ask is because I don't quite understand the logic behind it...because consider this:
1...the workouts are 3-4 days apart.
2...calorie surplus and proper diet
3...ample sleep
4...3- day split. Arms one day, chest and back another, and legs another.

With these factors considered, would it be possible to overtrain in a workout? If so, why, or how? Is it possible to train TOO hard within a workout?
With ample recovery time and proper nourishment, the muscles would be able to recuperate and grow further right? (also considering the workout involves going to failure)

People usually talk of overtraining when they hit the proverbial wall.

By that I mean they aren't making any gains in their training.

As long as you're getting results not to worry.

John Prophet · 07-25-2007, 08:49 PM

job? stress? there r lots of other factors.

yes, u can do too much durign one workout. Everyone thinks for some reason "if I just hit the bodypart 1x then i CANT overtrain". Then why do so many overtrain while dong each bp 1x per week?

do u think u r overtraining?

Murdok1741 · 07-25-2007, 11:36 PM

Job and stress are not a factor for me...I handle it well.

I just need some evidence, or some scientific explanation supporting that it's possible to overtrain like that. Because, if you destroy the muscle, then take days off to recouperate and stick to a proper and strict diet, that should be enough to prevent overtraining and promote growth. I guess it's only overtraining if you don't provide it with the necessary resources following the workout? I don't think I'm overtraining...I just want to know out of curiousity.

lukamar · 07-26-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Murdok1741

if you destroy the muscle, then take days off to recouperate and stick to a proper and strict diet, that should be enough to prevent overtraining and promote growth.

Everyone's definition of a workout is different. For me it's 45-50 minutes max and I'm done, I like the aerobic kick I get from working out this way. One guy my age that i know works out for hours on end but at what I would class as a very leisurely pace. Most people fall between that. Most that have tried my routine think it's too taxing, but if I did the other guys I'd be dead too. My feeling is if you workout strenuously for over an hour and especially if you are lifting heavy, you may need the extra time to recuperate. That's not too scientific.

If I have learned one thing since I joined this site it's you need to rest, you need to rest much more than you think. Just because you are feeling great does not mean you have recuperated.

Murdok1741 · 07-26-2007, 12:28 AM

But for the purpose of bulking, the exercise must be taxing, it must be rigorous. My workouts are hell everytime. I don't change the routine, just the intensity at which I'm performing. I guess the main question I am asking is (or statement rather):
Considering a proper, full diet and ample rest, it's impossible to overtrain. Or is there something else that can cause overtraining? Yes, or no. If yes, why.

farsscf · 07-26-2007, 02:30 AM

yes, you can over train even with proper diet, rest, etc. Going to failure every time can/will lead to overtraining. You have to take into account the stress on your CNS and joints.

Murdok1741 · 07-28-2007, 01:04 AM

Ah, good point. Didn't take CNS into account. So, should I cycle? Every other workout, to failure? For example:
Arms day: failure
Chest and back day: normal
Legs: failure
arms: normal
chest and back: failure
legs: normal

Would that setup allow time for CNS recovery? Or should I do something like...

Arms: failure
chest and back: failure
legs: failure
arms: normal
chest and back: normal
legs: normal

I'm thinking the former because going to failure on any body part is taxing on the CNS as a whole...correct?

lukamar · 07-28-2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Murdok1741

But for the purpose of bulking, the exercise must be taxing, it must be rigorous.

I don't agree with this. I feel that to gain you must be consistent. If you can significantly up the intensity while bulking you must not be working hard enough the rest of the time. You can gain mass even when dieting, bulking is more about diet than using more intensity. IMO

Herron · 07-29-2007, 05:02 PM

Even though you are only focusing in on one part a day, say in a 5 day routine that I am on, you still 'hit' some of those muscles on other days.
Example: Chest day on Monday we dont do Tri's till Friday BUT tri's get hit 2x that week (at least) with the chest workout and the specific friday workout.
Same with biceps get in with the back workout on alot of the 'stuff'.