What Kind of Product Should SAN Release Next?

[cakedonkey]

All,

As everyone is likely aware SAN is always on the cutting-edge when it comes to new compounds and formulas. The question is what is next? What do the consumers want? I was going to create a poll, but the categories are so diverse, and we already have an extremely well-rounded line-up. Feel free to make any suggestions in here regarding what you think should come next.

Thanks all.

[pu12en12g]

we already have an extremely well-rounded line-up

Agreed... I can't think of anything. Keep up the awesome work

[rub81]

How about a vitamin product?

[factotum]

A legit EPO mimetic?

[murph]

some new flavors for Infusion would be nice

[my_whey]

Sexual product.

[little rambo]

How bout a lemonade/wild cherry flavor for V-12

[ZDub212]

Something that utlizes gamma O!

[jmil]

Well, I'm a HUUGE fan of Citrulline Malate/Beta Alanine products such as bodyoctane...maybe something with ample doses of both, with a few grams of creatine in it...obviously some forms of creatine can be pretty damn cheap, so it might work, not making the price go sky high. Just my .02 .

[slipper]

Cakedonkey,

your favorite, dessicated liver tabs.

[extremenergy3]

I'd like to see CM2 made into powder form. It's kinda expensive too for the amount of ingredients per serving in pill form. Plus add some citrulline malate into it... or even take away the arginine and add the citrulline malate instead since that's kinda double the NO.... not to mention that beta alanine is already in it... so that would be triple the NO But yeah... CM2 in powder form.

[DinoT1985]

Cardio! Its one market that supplement companies don't really seem to cater for. Building muscle is one thing, but cardio, or though hated alot, is something that is part of bodybuilding. People hate it and anything to make it more enjoyable would sell well. An example would be Cordygen5. Its in a small class of supplements but is the best at what it does and people love it. It can also be used by other athletes like runners with tight rules in the associations they are part of.

At my gym there was a Nigerian runner heading to the olympics (his name I forget as I only bumped into him at the counter), he was asking for advice on what supplements would help him and was really interested in Cordygen5. I feel, regardless whether it be cordyceps based or not, something to increase blood throw and ease the stress on the lungs would be a great addition to any companies arsenal.

[rizzog466]

Well, I'm a HUUGE fan of Citrulline Malate/Beta Alanine products such as bodyoctane...maybe something with ample doses of both, with a few grams of creatine in it...obviously some forms of creatine can be pretty damn cheap, so it might work, not making the price go sky high. Just my .02 .

x2

[Blitz n destroy]

BA/Cit Mal./Cordyceps/BCAA


or new flavors for infusion.

[blackdream71]

Something that utlizes gamma O!

that shiat made me hyoooooge!

[dangetinthere]

Since you discontinued Throcuts II, how about a remake using 3,3 T-2 instead of 3,5 T-2 ???

[musclescientist]

Since you discontinued Throcuts II, how about a remake using 3,3 T-2 instead of 3,5 T-2 ???

Now, why would we do that? 3,5-T2 is considered the stronger isomer of the two with a host of more research studies documenting this. See attached and below:


Life Sci. 1998;62(26):2369-77. Related Articles, Links


Effect of 3,5-diiodo-L-thyronine on thyroid stimulating hormone and growth hormone serum levels in hypothyroid rats.

Moreno M, Lombardi A, Lombardi P, Goglia F, Lanni A.

Dipartimento di Chimica, Facolta di Scienze, Universita degli Studi di Salerno, Italy.

We have investigated the biological effects of physiological doses of 3,5-diiodo-L-thyronine (3,5-T2) and 3,3'-diiodo-L-thyronine (3,3'-T2) (at doses from 2.5 to 10 microg/100 g BW) on serum TSH and GH levels in rats made hypothyroid by propylthiouracil and iopanoic acid administration. In such animals deiodinase activities were inhibited and thyroid hormones serum levels strongly reduced. The effects of T2s were compared with those elicited by 3,5,3'-triiodo-L-thyronine (T3) (2.5 microg/100 g BW).The serum TSH level was much greater in hypothyroid rats than in euthyroid ones. T3 administration suppressed TSH by 88% compared to control (i.e, the level in hypothyroid rats); it thus reached a value not significantly different from that seen in the euthyroid rats. 3,5-T2 produced a similar effect, suppressing the TSH level by about 75% compared to control; it thus reached values not significantly different from those of the euthyroid and T3-treated rats. By contrast, 3,3'-T2 had no effect on TSH, whatever the dose. The serum GH level was much lower in hypothyroid rats than in euthyroid ones. T3 administration increased the GH level by about 5-fold, restoring it to the value seen in euthyroid rats. 3,5-T2-treated hypothyroid rats, at all the doses used (from 2.5 to 10 microg/100 g BW), showed increased serum GH levels: at a dose of 10 microg/100 g BW the level reached a value about 5-fold higher than that in hypothyroid rats. This value was not significantly different from those of euthyroid and T3-treated rats. 3,3'-T2 did not affect GH levels whatever the dose. Thus, 3,5-T2 (but not 3,3'-T2) seems to mimic the effects of T3 on serum TSH and GH levels in rats.

[Travis71902]

pocket pussy

[MAS2208]

Well, I'm a HUUGE fan of Citrulline Malate/Beta Alanine products such as bodyoctane...maybe something with ample doses of both, with a few grams of creatine in it...obviously some forms of creatine can be pretty damn cheap, so it might work, not making the price go sky high. Just my .02 .

I second this idea.

[kieltyka34]

an affordable pre-meal nutrient partitioning product

leucine (4 g), alcar (1 g), egcg (stand. to 800 mg), acetate, citrate, ALA (300 mg) edit: raspberry ketones (300 mg) they seem to be in a lot of formulas nowadays anyway..

possibly an appetite suppressant added in or maybe appetite suppressant for another product

[Apostle X]

pocket pussy

come on man, its need to be something that I can afford!

[Zachattack43]

I would say revive CM2, but use tri creatine malate in there instead

[deserusan]

I'd like to see a good endurance supplement. This could be a big crossover hit with the ladies too if you marketed it right.

[Docta J]

BA/Cit Mal./Cordyceps/BCAA


or new flavors for infusion.

That is a sweet idea bro (not sure about the cordyceps, lol dunno how fungus would taste in a drink). Something with a generous dose of Beta-alanine, Citrulline malate, BCAAs, and some good carbs to replenish glycogen levels (Like WMS for example), making it more of an all-around intra-workout solution that could also be used as a sports drink!

[EMISGOD]

Here is the tagline for the advertising campaign for whatever it *ahem* is:

All cocaine, all the time!

[TinyMan]

Well, as an engineer, I've never really fit in. That's why I wonder: what would it be like if I was 500 feet tall.

And by that logic, I think a non-caffeine/non-stimulant capsule/powder to help with focus, concentration, and memory could be useful. Or at least, I might buy a truckload of it.

[dangetinthere]

Now, why would we do that? 3,5-T2 is considered the stronger isomer of the two with a host of more research studies documenting this. See attached and below:


Life Sci. 1998;62(26):2369-77. Related Articles, Links


Effect of 3,5-diiodo-L-thyronine on thyroid stimulating hormone and growth hormone serum levels in hypothyroid rats.

Moreno M, Lombardi A, Lombardi P, Goglia F, Lanni A.

Dipartimento di Chimica, Facolta di Scienze, Universita degli Studi di Salerno, Italy.

We have investigated the biological effects of physiological doses of 3,5-diiodo-L-thyronine (3,5-T2) and 3,3'-diiodo-L-thyronine (3,3'-T2) (at doses from 2.5 to 10 microg/100 g BW) on serum TSH and GH levels in rats made hypothyroid by propylthiouracil and iopanoic acid administration. In such animals deiodinase activities were inhibited and thyroid hormones serum levels strongly reduced. The effects of T2s were compared with those elicited by 3,5,3'-triiodo-L-thyronine (T3) (2.5 microg/100 g BW).The serum TSH level was much greater in hypothyroid rats than in euthyroid ones. T3 administration suppressed TSH by 88% compared to control (i.e, the level in hypothyroid rats); it thus reached a value not significantly different from that seen in the euthyroid rats. 3,5-T2 produced a similar effect, suppressing the TSH level by about 75% compared to control; it thus reached values not significantly different from those of the euthyroid and T3-treated rats. By contrast, 3,3'-T2 had no effect on TSH, whatever the dose. The serum GH level was much lower in hypothyroid rats than in euthyroid ones. T3 administration increased the GH level by about 5-fold, restoring it to the value seen in euthyroid rats. 3,5-T2-treated hypothyroid rats, at all the doses used (from 2.5 to 10 microg/100 g BW), showed increased serum GH levels: at a dose of 10 microg/100 g BW the level reached a value about 5-fold higher than that in hypothyroid rats. This value was not significantly different from those of euthyroid and T3-treated rats. 3,3'-T2 did not affect GH levels whatever the dose. Thus, 3,5-T2 (but not 3,3'-T2) seems to mimic the effects of T3 on serum TSH and GH levels in rats.

Nice, I guess my main reasoning was the fact that it doesn't effect TSH, I was under the impression that it still had all the benifits.

Either way why get rid of that product?

[Random Rufus]

I need a double cheese burger, hold the lettuce.

Don't be frontin' son, no seeds on the bun.

[musclescientist]

Nice, I guess my main reasoning was the fact that it doesn't effect TSH, I was under the impression that it still had all the benifits.

Either way why get rid of that product?

It appears that you are correct at least with respect to TSH. However, the abundance in 3,5-T2 literature makes us believe that it is the more effective thyrodial of the two. Especially, since the amount commerically sold appears to be on the low end of things. Just my 2 cents

[musclescientist]

Seems like everyone is looking for a great BCAA, b-Alanine and CM product. Have you guys seen our V12 HP 844?