is there a good isolation exercies for the shoulders?
besides military press and laterals
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12-30-2004, 04:32 PM #1Registered User
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Shoulder isolation exercises!
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12-30-2004, 05:04 PM #2Human Pest Control
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Military press is actually considered a compound lift, not isolation. In addition to lateral raises, other good shoulder isolation lifts would be: front raises, rear deal raises, shrugs, upright rows.
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12-30-2004, 05:07 PM #3Registered User
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12-30-2004, 05:46 PM #4Believe to achieve
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Isolation exercises dont do much anyways imo....
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12-30-2004, 06:08 PM #5Train smarter, not harder
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militiary press isn't isolation.
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12-30-2004, 07:24 PM #6Registered User
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neither are upright rows
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12-30-2004, 07:26 PM #7Human Pest Control
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Boridi:
I KNEW someone would say that. LOL Actually, it CAN be, depending on how you execute the movement.
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12-30-2004, 07:38 PM #8Banned
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fraid not sirOriginally Posted by NaturalMsOBoridi:
I KNEW someone would say that. LOL Actually, it CAN be, depending on how you execute the movement.
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12-30-2004, 07:39 PM #9Human Pest Control
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Sure it can, ma'am.
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12-30-2004, 07:50 PM #10Banned
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how do u do an upright row that doesnt involve biceps and traps then
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12-30-2004, 08:01 PM #11Human Pest Control
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Virtually ANY exercise, whether it's considered "compound" or "isolation," involves more than just ONE muscle group. Yes, even "isolation" movements actually involve more than just the targeted muscle. Example: Lateral raises (isolation) also involve traps and abs (stabilizers). Another example: concentration curls (isolation) also involve shoulders (you can't help but flex certain muscles while others are being targeted, it's just a natural reflex). If you don't believe me, next time you do concentration curls, place your other hand on your curling shoulder, and you'll feel a slight contraction. Sure, the GOAL is to isolate certain muscle groups, but in reality, we're not really doing that. In reality, we're only LIMITING the amount of involvement of other muscle groups.
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12-30-2004, 08:08 PM #12vascularing defination
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ill answer your question,you cant...Originally Posted by Porky
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12-30-2004, 08:12 PM #13Human Pest Control
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Exactly! (Although I probably went into more detail than I needed to...)
Welp, I'm outta here, folks. Happy New Year to you all!
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12-30-2004, 08:18 PM #14Banned
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i realize that. but imo u cant make an upright row an isolation exercise. ive done them a few times back when i started out. biceps were used greatly.
i error on the side of caution now and just dont do them. all the r/c impingement talk. i never really liked them anyways
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12-30-2004, 08:35 PM #15Train smarter, not harder
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why does everybody insist on trying to turn stuff into isolation...like how to turn benching and dipping into 'isolation'....lol
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12-30-2004, 08:49 PM #16Banned
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i dunno aj. i bet someday someone will try to make the deadlift an isolation movement =)
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12-30-2004, 08:53 PM #17Registered User
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unless you kept your arms straight and dont raise your shoulders a milimeter, it's a compound movement (which woudlnt really be an upright row anyways)
compound = 2 joints, not muscles
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12-30-2004, 08:54 PM #18Banned
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there was no "you guys" it was just "a she"Originally Posted by youi09
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12-30-2004, 08:57 PM #19Registered User
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i'm sorry but you guys who advised up right rows as an isolation, thats pretty off... . Besides from that the exercise is flawed in several ways.
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12-31-2004, 11:08 AM #20Train smarter, not harder
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HmmmmmmOriginally Posted by Porky
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12-31-2004, 11:22 AM #21Squats traps to grass
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Originally Posted by lift2survive
OK. I believe you are confusing "isolation" with "targeting".
Isolation exercises are single joint exercises that MINIMIZE (not eliminate) the use of surrounding muscles. Like Lateral raises.
This is opposed to "Compound" exercises which use surrounding muscles to work a "target" muscle. Like Military presses.
For shoulders, you can do Presses with DBs, Front and Behind neck bb press. front, side and rear laterals. 1 arm laterals, lying side laterals, cable laterals in all directions etc etc.
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12-31-2004, 11:41 AM #22Train smarter, not harder
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i love it when people start inventing their own definitions
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12-31-2004, 01:58 PM #23Registered User
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Defiant is SPOT-ON with his definitions!
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12-31-2004, 01:59 PM #24Ghost Negger
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Exactly.Originally Posted by JOHN GARGANI
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01-01-2005, 09:50 AM #25Squats traps to grass
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I don't think you were busting on me so I won't retaliate.Originally Posted by $AJi love it when people start inventing their own definitions
I am just giving the guy (poster), who is a probably a newb, the benefit of the doubt.
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01-01-2005, 11:28 AM #26From Exrx.net.Compound
An exercise that involves two or more joint movements.
Isolated
An exercise that involves just one discernible joint movement
What, may I ask, is the advantage of an "isolation" upright row? ( I assume it's designed to target the medial delts) Surely it just becomes a side raise with a little rotator-cuff damaging internal rotation thrown in for good measure.
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01-04-2005, 04:47 PM #27Human Pest Control
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Bottom line: If you want to get technical about definitions, then there IS no "isolation" exercise ... AT ALL. Think about it: We can target muscle groups, sure, but are we really using ONLY that ONE muscle group? Probably not. Not even in "isolation" lifts.
Jeez, all these technicalities are giving me a headache. You can overanalyze and pick apart ANYthing if you really spend time on it. It doesn't matter. Just shut up and LIFT, people! LOL
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01-04-2005, 06:21 PM #28Audere est Facere
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^^^^^^^^^^^BumpOriginally Posted by youi09
The lying laterals kick ass!
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