Going to use 2 test

Energizer1000 · 07-24-2007, 09:39 AM

I plan to do my 2nd cycle as follows:

10 weeks Testosterone at 500 mg per week
4 weeks Dianabol at 30 mg per day

PCT at the end.

However my concern is that my TEST enanthate will last for only 8 weeks, thus, I have to use sustanon for two weeks to complete the 10 week cycle.

I am inclined to use the Test Enanthate first since the dianabol will jump start the gains anyway. The sustanon can come in on the last 2 weeks. Or should I do Sustanon first?

Comments?

DeepFry · 07-24-2007, 09:45 AM

If it was me i'll go sustanon first.
I'm running a sustanon cycle at the moment 10weeks at 500mg e/w.
After reading alot of threads i've decided to make it 12weeks.
as alot of people seem to notice some great gains from 9-12weeks.
Maybe you should think about getting some more test e, and go too 12weeks.
think about taking some adex for bloat.
I'm taking dbol at the moment 30mg e/d.
and i'm doing .25mg eod of adex its great i've hardly got any bloat and its great for gyno also, and cuts water rentension.
Test e, 1-12weeks 500mg e/w
dbol ,1-6 weeks 30mg e/d, you can go 1-5 if you like.
adex 1-12weeks .25mg eod

johnfluke · 07-24-2007, 09:45 AM

Using the sustanon in the last two weeks, if you choose to do so, will extend the time you wait to start PCT by another week (in total 3 weeks after last injection). I think it should be fine to do this or you could sneak in a sustanon shot here and there in the middle of the cycle (before week 8) so as to try and conserve some test e for the last two weeks.

Energizer1000 · 07-25-2007, 01:32 AM

Hey guys, thanks for th replies. I decided to to hit the Sustanon first. Am still contemplating if the adex should come in or just keep it on hand just in case i see some bloat.

DeepFry · 07-25-2007, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Energizer1000

Hey guys, thanks for th replies. I decided to to hit the Sustanon first. Am still contemplating if the adex should come in or just keep it on hand just in case i see some bloat.

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You will see bloat.
Adex will normally come in 1mg tabs, you will have to break it in four and take .25mg each other day its strong ****.
I would really go 12 weeks with your test between 9-12 weeks is were alot of people have noticed better gains.
I would use an oral for the first 4-5 weeks until the sustanon kicks in.
Good luck
bro

Energizer1000 · 07-25-2007, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DeepFry

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You will see bloat.
Adex will normally come in 1mg tabs, you will have to break it in four and take .25mg each other day its strong ****.
I would really go 12 weeks with your test between 9-12 weeks is were alot of people have noticed better gains.
I would use an oral for the first 4-5 weeks until the sustanon kicks in.
Good luck
bro

Thanks man, but wont the adex also reduce my gains?

know_power · 07-25-2007, 08:51 AM

a-dex wont reduce any noiticable gains, unless you call bloat gains..

the problem with using sust and then switching to test-E or vise versa is, the unstable test levels in your blood..IMO

BreakingPoint8 · 07-25-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Energizer1000

Thanks man, but wont the adex also reduce my gains?

Yes, that's why the compounds that put on the most mass and the most strength are highly estrogenic.

DeepFry · 07-25-2007, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BreakingPoint8

Yes, that's why the compounds that put on the most mass and the most strength are highly estrogenic.

Adex will not stop any noiticable gains

know_power, hit the nail on its head, if you call bloat gains then the answer is yes adex will stop bloat gains,
Something i would rather do without myself

johnfluke · 07-25-2007, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BreakingPoint8

Yes, that's why the compounds that put on the most mass and the most strength are highly estrogenic.

You just won't swell up with water weight to such a degree. It will not ruin the potential for great, solid gains.

Energizer1000 · 07-25-2007, 07:18 PM

What if I use Proviron instead of Adex? Here, where I live, Adex is a bit pricy.

Was considering a dosage for Proviron at 25 mg eod.

johnfluke · 07-25-2007, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Energizer1000

What if I use Proviron instead of Adex? Here, where I live, Adex is a bit pricy.

Was considering a dosage for Proviron at 25 mg eod.

I think its personal preference when choosing between the two. I know that you can get Adex as a 'research chemical' and its really quite cheap, but if proviron is cheaper/easier for you, then by all means run it.

I'm not completely sure, but I think the proviron is run at 50mg/ED.

Energizer1000 · 07-25-2007, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by johnfluke

I think its personal preference when choosing between the two. I know that you can get Adex as a 'research chemical' and its really quite cheap, but if proviron is cheaper/easier for you, then by all means run it.

I'm not completely sure, but I think the proviron is run at 50mg/ED.

Yeah, my mistake. I will run it for 50mg ED for 12 weeks. (Test will run for 10 weeks)

johnfluke · 07-25-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Energizer1000

Yeah, my mistake. I will run it for 50mg ED for 12 weeks. (Test will run for 10 weeks)

Yeah thats good and discontinue use when PCT starts. There is a new method of PCT being tossed around with a SERM, AI, and HCG but I think sticking to what has become pretty standard is the best idea for the moment.

Energizer1000 · 07-25-2007, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by johnfluke

Yeah thats good and discontinue use when PCT starts. There is a new method of PCT being tossed around with a SERM, AI, and HCG but I think sticking to what has become pretty standard is the best idea for the moment.

Yeah, better to do what has been proven before.

BOWIE · 07-25-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by know_power

a-dex wont reduce any noiticable gains, unless you call bloat gains..

Of course you do! Are you forgetting where you're at?? Everybody here retains 30lbs of muscle after PCT too.

stackedDAWG · 07-25-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Energizer1000

Yeah, my mistake. I will run it for 50mg ED for 12 weeks. (Test will run for 10 weeks)

I would not run Proviron less than 75 a day. That is just from experience though. I did not see anything except a HUGE boner from anything except 80-120mg a day. (40mg tabs) At that point I finally started seeing the bloat go away.

Energizer1000 · 07-26-2007, 06:48 PM

Ok thanks for the comments guys. will see how my cycle goes.

knorth · 07-27-2007, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Energizer1000

What if I use Proviron instead of Adex? Here, where I live, Adex is a bit pricy.

Was considering a dosage for Proviron at 25 mg eod.

adex is a much more potent AI than proviron but proviron has other benefits.

proviron is an oral androgenic steriod. it doesn't really build muscle but it will provide you with more agression. it also has a high affinity for binding to the SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) plasma binding protien. this is the protein that most of the steriod you take binds to (about 98% of the steriod binds to this protein), the rest of the steriod that is not bound to this protein will be free. it is the free steriod that builds muscle, so if proviron has a high affinity to bind to SHBG then the more of the steriod your taking will be in a free state, there for they will have a more potent affect (although this is only slight so don't expect a huge difference)