Do you believe in overtraining?

[killorbekilled]

I thought we could use a thread about it to discuss it. I personally dont believe in overtraining, i think people who get bad results are not overtraining but are undereating and not enough sleep. Ive had experiences where ive trained hard 5-6 days a week running and liftin weights, but i got 8-9 hours of sleep and ate buckets of food. What do you believe?

[mightyH]

Originally Posted by killorbekilled

I thought we could use a thread about it to discuss it. I personally dont believe in overtraining, i think people who get bad results are not overtraining but are undereating and not enough sleep. Ive had experiences where ive trained hard 5-6 days a week running and liftin weights, but i got 8-9 hours of sleep and ate buckets of food. What do you believe?

I used to think the way u do.

But two weeks ago I decided to take a week free from training. I did that because I felt sleepy all the time, and I decreased my lifts dramatically(not over a long period, but just that week). It is summer so I got 8-10 hours of sleep every night, and I ate perfectly. It was just that my body was tired.

So I took a week off. And when I started again(this week), I have increased the weights in almost every lift, and I have a lot of energy left.

So yes, I believe in overtraining.

[killorbekilled]

yea i understand what your sayin....everybodies body is different....i just havent got to that point where im tired....i take a lot of supplements and eat alot and my life is football but the love for football and building my body just keeps me going

[olinerules87]

Saying there is no such thing as overtraining is just DUMB.
I garuntee you that even if you have perfect nutrition and supplementation, there are programs out there that will lead to overtraining.

However, I do believe it is harder to overtrain than most people think

[olinerules87]

read this article http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1605986

it is a planned overtraining article. Pay attention to the nutrition/supplementation stressed during the workout. Polquin says to consume 40g of BCAA every workout in this program! Yet the program still purposely leads to overtraining because after you get into an overtraining state, you take 5 days off and come back bigger and stronger than before

[KingOfNorway]

I dident realize overtraining was a religion. Some people who say they overtrain dont, sure. But if they dont sleep enough and dont eat good enough to recover properly, they are overtraining. Overtraining is a diagnose, its like an illness, how you get it doesnt matter. You can overtrain with good sleep and good nutrition too ofcource.

[mightyH]

Originally Posted by KingOfNorway

I dident realize overtraining was a religion. Some people who say they overtrain dont, sure. But if they dont sleep enough and dont eat good enough to recover properly, they are overtraining. Overtraining is a diagnose, its like an illness, how you get it doesnt matter. You can overtrain with good sleep and good nutrition too ofcource.

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Originally Posted by killorbekilled

yea i understand what your sayin....everybodies body is different....i just havent got to that point where im tired....i take a lot of supplements and eat alot and my life is football but the love for football and building my body just keeps me going

This was the first time I felt overtrained. I have been lifting for about two and a half year, and I have never felt overtrained until two weeks ago.

[goawayfat]

Originally Posted by killorbekilled

I thought we could use a thread about it to discuss it. I personally dont believe in overtraining, i think people who get bad results are not overtraining but are undereating and not enough sleep. Ive had experiences where ive trained hard 5-6 days a week running and liftin weights, but i got 8-9 hours of sleep and ate buckets of food. What do you believe?

Um, wow. You must have no idea what overtraining is. It is a cummulative effect on the CNS from not fully recovering. By not getting enough rest/nutrition, you're CNS is not going to recover, and therefore the workload you are currently doing is too much. Therefore, it IS overtraining.

Lets say someone is a on a calorie restrictive diet to lose weight. If they do too much HIIT, they can overtrain. It's not because they didnt eat enough, but because they did too much work RELATIVE to how much they are eating.

training, diet, and rest are all variables that can lead to overtraining.

[kcomico]

I only believe in under sleeping

[roman25]

Yeah i believe in it alot. yeah it is about recovery and sleep and eating are very important. I think it is also due to staleness in a program meanign using the same program over and over your mind is going to get tired not only your body. So yeah you can overtrain it may not be one week when you do 7 days stragiht you may be fresh that week it maybe a week when you only work out twice that you feel like crap. But youll know when your overtraining not just physically but mentally

[Ironstone-]

anybody who has been lifting for awhile has overtrained before. any to those who do not believe in overtraining... there stats speak for themself and just show that these people are not qualified to comment whether or not they believe it exists.

[Veeshmack]

i've been lifting for a few years now, and its a sketchy concept to me
i dont see it as overtraining, just underresting
muscles need rest

the real thing that gets overtrained is the CNS, not the muscles

[KiloNewton]

Originally Posted by killorbekilled

I thought we could use a thread about it to discuss it. I personally dont believe in overtraining, i think people who get bad results are not overtraining but are undereating and not enough sleep. Ive had experiences where ive trained hard 5-6 days a week running and liftin weights, but i got 8-9 hours of sleep and ate buckets of food. What do you believe?

So, if I put an untrained 14 year old kid on a 10 session per week javelin throwing program and he doesn't perform it's because he is undertraining and not getting enough sleep? I'll have to remember that.

5-6 days a week of running and weight training is nothing, any moderately conditioned athlete can do this without overtraining. Even obese exercisers can manage this many sessions a week for weight loss.

I do agree very much that getting enough sleep makes a huge difference to recovery time. Try getting 12 hours a night for one whole week. You will feel like a million bucks every single training session.

[svoc]

Originally Posted by killorbekilled

I thought we could use a thread about it to discuss it. I personally dont believe in overtraining, i think people who get bad results are not overtraining but are undereating and not enough sleep. Ive had experiences where ive trained hard 5-6 days a week running and liftin weights, but i got 8-9 hours of sleep and ate buckets of food. What do you believe?

Try training 2 sports at 4 sessions each, 2 gym classes in school and lift weights 4 times for an hour and a half per week and talk again :P

Sometimes you just want it too much.

Ate about 5000 cals and slept 8-9 hrs a day and gainer after each workout (even school)

[Lowerthefever]

There is such a thing as over training. I used to do full body workouts every day for like 3-4 hours. I burnt out in like a few months and my lat pulldown decreased like 45 pounds.

I took a week off and split up my routine, now i'm back to normal and i've added 15 pounds extra.

[DavetheDog]

I think it exists, though I don't think it's as common as often implied. Overreaching and overtraining are not the same thing. Overtraining takes months to achieve.

[Paladin13]

Yes overtraining does exist. If you do a chest/tri day with 7 chest exercizes and 4 tri exercises then that is overtraining. And if you conitinue to lift like that then you will overtrain and not gain as much muscle. This is why a full body or an upper/lower split is so good.

[teriyakisaki]

its a very real issue, its just that its not as big of a deal that everybody makes out of it. by that i mean everybody thinks because they sweat a little bit and feel some soreness, they think theyre overtraining. in all reality the work ethic required to truely overtrain is insane. its something that not too many people in the 14-22 age range really have. in addition to that, most of the affects people are worried about, dont really affect your athletic performance in the grand scheme of things. what i mean by this is that the people on this board will never be at a level of competition where being off by .001 in their 100m is really going to make a difference.

[nightrain36]

I believe in working out 5 times a week and allowing not only my body to rest but also my mind. I need to have other interests other than weight room otherwise I'm shutting out those around me. But physically, when I over trained (two weight sessions in a day) I was tired all of the time and I actually didn't see any improvement because my body was so sore.

[Uber-neggR]

Overtraining is a CHRONIC state of fatigue.

CHRONIC.

It takes weeks and months to reach a true state of overtraining.
Training "really" hard for a week is nowhere NEAR overtraining. Not even close.

[WAYSOUTH]

Training: I would rather be over than under. But, it's to a limit. You have to listen/know your body well & not hit rock bottom. Get plenty of sleep, power naps in the afternoon, excellent nutrition. Be mentally strong, postive, a little cocky. The mind controls everything!

For recovery: Stretching ( hold stretches for 1 -2 mins! ) Use ice, hot tub, EMS, epsom salt baths 1-2 x a week, chiropractic care.

[user6498723123986]

i think in sports a little over training "SHORT TERM" helps build character and confidence. Check out intensive camps like J robinson wrestling camp. Anybody who's been there said it was hell. Cause u are always always working out. But it made u that much better.

[Cracky]

Originally Posted by Uber-neggR

Overtraining is a CHRONIC state of fatigue.

CHRONIC.

It takes weeks and months to reach a true state of overtraining.
Training "really" hard for a week is nowhere NEAR overtraining. Not even close.

true, and that said I completely believe in it(meaning you can over train.....been there done that. seen others who have done the same) beleive me it exists!

when you are like that you cant eat enough or sleep enough to make you feel better. you just need to cut back the training and rest up.

[slippy1_4u]

What a silly question... Do you believe in overtraining? That's like asking if you believe in ebola. There is a whole section on this website about it, and if you're asking this question obviously you haven't looked at any of them. Overtraining isn't a state of mind or just hitting a plateau in your routine or getting bad doms - it's a medical condition that can create hormonal imbalances like high cortisol:testosterone ratios (though apparently this isn't a sure way of testing for overtraining). The high cortisol will increase muscle breakdown of course and can make doms worse or longer lasting. But that's not the half of it. Just imagine sleeping for 12 hours and waking up just to be utterly exhausted for the rest of the day, progression in the gym doesn't just stop - it goes backward fast, your arms and legs actually start to shrink but your belly just keeps getting bigger, and after what you would usually consider a low-intensity day in the gym you feel like passing out. And then wake up to do it all again tomorrow.

Preventing overtraining isn't as simple as getting enough sleep and proper nutrition. It certainly helps! but it is not limited to this. Other stressors can lead to overtraining as well - things as simple as assignment deadlines and the like. In fact, one doesn't even have to train to suffer overtraining. It can manifest itself purely from outside stress. Then throwing a once/week low volume routine onto a hectic lifestyle can be like throwing petrol on a flame and it all goes to ****! Even worse than that it can eventually lead to adrenal exhaustion, fatigue, and eventually shutdow (which are very real medical conditions that you might do well googling if you have any further doubts).

For some people it will take months or even years to run into any problems, but others can start to experience some form of burnout after just a few weeks of overtraining and/or excessive stress, so it would be useful to have some knowledge of the subject and back off a bit when you're at risk. From my point of view it's a lot easier to take it easy for a while than it is to force myself to long breaks to recover.

[DieHollywoodDie]

overtraining is not something that is very obvious and you usually will not notice it. i was training 6 days/week for ~1.5-3 hours (strectching+lifting with long rests, and sometimes swimming) and then went out of town for about 4 days. I came back and although it took a couple more warmup sets, I was lifting heavier than I've ever lifted before and my weights increased in all aspects. Don't take TOO long off, but every once in awhile let your body rest and extra couple of days.

[PowerBuilder08]

AT your age it's hard as hell to overtrain. Most people don't realize the insane and ungodly amount of work it takes to overtrain. Most people make too big of a deal out of it. To say it doesn't exist, though, is stupid and ****ing retarded.

[deltaforce]

its depends on the person right

[Firepower]

Yes, I've experienced symptoms of overtraining before. Mainly when I was in college. I was lifting weights 7 days a week and also playing Intramural sports (basketball, soccer, and flag-football) throughout the year. Basically, I wasn't giving my body any rest at all and I was pushing it beyond it's own ability to recover properly. I showed all the signs of overtraining: decreased lifting performance, lack of appetite and motivation, repeatedly getting sick, etc. Finally, I just told myself that I needed some time to recover. Took a couple of weeks off and came back rejuvenated.

[farzamk]

There is a such thing as overtraining. It's called CNS over stimulation. Does this mean if you sprint back to back days or do heavy lifting/sprints/plyos in one day, your overtraining? nope.

There was a reciever who ran hill sprints everyday of the off season, he never really overtrained and was never injured during the season and always stayed in top shape.

About 30 years back from now, world class sprinters did speed work at full intensity everyday for about 6 days per week. They also lifted 3-4 days per week right after the sprints and di plyos on the other days. Sure they changed things around during different times such as indoor season and off season to incorprate conditioning and tempo and etc. but they were still doing speed work daily. Would they ever die out? no.

In the book Speed Trap, Charlie Francis talks about him doing speed work daily with his coach in the 60s and early 70s, he never felt drained.

Now based on modern research, and clearly based on results we see today from better world class performances, high intensity is better for every other day rather than daily as this will help you have higher quality workouts and a better result in the end.

Yes over stimulation of the CNS will occur, it's different for everyone, but if you exceed your limits such as doing lifting/sprints/plyos every single day, then it will happen.

[PowerBuilder08]

Originally Posted by deltaforce

its depends on the person right

No you ****ing moron