Considering leaving the U.S. (serious)

[skullcrusher45]

It seems that every day we lose a little bit more freedom here in the US. We used to be able to go about freely without having to register everything with the government (way before any of us were alive). Now the Real ID act has pretty much been approved and will go into effect late 2008 or early 2009. For those of you who are familiar it is basically a national ID card that has all of your information stored on including fingerprint and retinal scans. A national ID card will be required to fly anywhere, enter government buildings, open bank accounts, etc. There is also a highly likely chance that the card will have a GPS TRACKING DEVICE IN IT called an RFID chip. This to me sounds scary and quite Orwellian. I am hoping like hell that this act somehow gets vetoed by some miracle (Bush is already expected to sign it and it has already passed the House) or the next president has enough sense to overrule it (I know Ron Paul doesn't like the idea).

If it is approved I may be looking into leaving the US. I'm not sure where I would want to go but is there anyone from outside of the US that lives in a good place that they would reccomend?

[Casiraghi]

Any chance you watched Zeitgeist recently?

[Agent Lazy 78]

nope, anywhere you feel like going wil be great. The less whiners we have in our mids,t the better.

Do you honestly think you'll find a country that has the same secuities and freedoms that this one has?

I'm sure all countries have their issues.

The only ones I'd ever consider moving to are Australia, the UK, or the Netherlands. (maybe Germany)

[boosteddatsun]

Not from outside the U.S. but thinking along the same path you are. A tracking device is totally unacceptable to me. I also don't like the thought of my personal information on a card, I don't even like having to give my SSN out.

Canada if you don't mind the cold. Korea or Taiwan would be nice if you have a degree and can teach English / willing to learn the language. Those are my choices at least.

[rude boy]

Go to Jamaica, mon'! every 'ting is no problem there!

[Thy_Kingdom]

Stay away from the UK, that place is the epitome of Big Brother.
As for the US; IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, GIIIIIIIIIIIT OOOOOUT!

[TheDeepBlue]

hahahahaha

thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
i wish we had them over here. its pretty much a greencard/passport/drivers license, its the ultimate id card

what the hell are you crying about?
GPS tracking chip? unlikely considering you could just break the chip yet the card would still be functional. What would it matter anyway? what makes you think the government cares what you do with your day? they would use that data only if your suspected of something.

[hausheer769]

It seems that every day we lose a little bit more freedom here in the US. We used to be able to go about freely without having to register everything with the government (way before any of us were alive). Now the Real ID act has pretty much been approved and will go into effect late 2008 or early 2009. For those of you who are familiar it is basically a national ID card that has all of your information stored on including fingerprint and retinal scans. A national ID card will be required to fly anywhere, enter government buildings, open bank accounts, etc. There is also a highly likely chance that the card will have a GPS TRACKING DEVICE IN IT called an RFID chip. This to me sounds scary and quite Orwellian. I am hoping like hell that this act somehow gets vetoed by some miracle (Bush is already expected to sign it and it has already passed the House) or the next president has enough sense to overrule it (I know Ron Paul doesn't like the idea).

If it is approved I may be looking into leaving the US. I'm not sure where I would want to go but is there anyone from outside of the US that lives in a good place that they would reccomend?

probably wont happen, at least not that soon. US Navy was playing with this technology for a while (SMARTcards) it got canned after like 2 years. I dont think it would be such a horrible idea. I mean , everything on one card. What if you are far away from home and get seriously injured...they can pull the card, get prior medical history, alergic reactions to drugs, insurance info. Might not be to bad.

[TheDeepBlue]

Not from outside the U.S. but thinking along the same path you are. A tracking device is totally unacceptable to me. I also don't like the thought of my personal information on a card, I don't even like having to give my SSN out.

Canada if you don't mind the cold. Korea or Taiwan would be nice if you have a degree and can teach English / willing to learn the language. Those are my choices at least.

korea....taiwan....

HA

they dont exactly hold civil liberties to the same degree as the US, not many countries do.

[W.I.N.]

Come visit Brazil
I like it here, despite it being not as rich and secure and things like that as the US(I suppose, never been there before)

[user437490845hjgf]

nope, anywhere you feel like going wil be great. The less whiners we have in our mids,t the better.

Do you honestly think you'll find a country that has the same secuities and freedoms that this one has?

I'm sure all countries have their issues.

The only ones I'd ever consider moving to are Australia, the UK, or the Netherlands. (maybe Germany)

here here.

lol plus I doubt they will approve of those cards. Even if they did put a GPS tracking chip in it, I would just leave it at home. Its not like most people get on planes and enter govt buildings on a daily basis.

[Agent Lazy 78]

hahahahaha

thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
i wish we had them over here. its pretty much a greencard/passport/drivers license, its the ultimate id card

what the hell are you crying about?
GPS tracking chip? unlikely considering you could just break the chip yet the card would still be functional. What would it matter anyway? what makes you think the government cares what you do with your day? they would use that data only if your suspected of something.

Exactly....they're not going to waste their time seeing if you're at work or ditching to be with some hooker. They'd probabbly only use it to track criminals. Don't break the law and you don't have anything to worry about.

but it will never happen in our lifetimes.

[HELIX35]

Bye

[Fleshka]

Not from outside the U.S. but thinking along the same path you are. A tracking device is totally unacceptable to me. I also don't like the thought of my personal information on a card, I don't even like having to give my SSN out.

Canada if you don't mind the cold. Korea or Taiwan would be nice if you have a degree and can teach English / willing to learn the language. Those are my choices at least.

ya man i dont like giving my SSN out for ANYTHING.

[Deez Nutz]

Just go buy a ranch outside Waco and start your own town. Have your militia, schools, goverment, and religion. (In before ATF)

[Agent Lazy 78]

Just go buy a ranch outside Waco and start your own town. Have your militia, schools, goverment, and religion. (In before ATF)

reported

[jckedup616]

So what? An I.D. card is not a new thing. Think about when the drivers license was introduced. Im sure people thought it was a crazy, Big Brother idea but today its just natural for us to carry our license when we are driving.

If everybody was afraid of new ideas then we would still be living in the stone age.

[Thy_Kingdom]

The RFID chips idea was scrapped last year. I personally would be against it, I don't like the idea of the government knowing where I am during my evening prowels.

[TheDeepBlue]

Bye

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OP, dont let the door hit you in the vagina on your way out.

[steeperdolphin]

(Bush is already expected to sign it and it has already passed the House) or the next president has enough sense to overrule it (I know Ron Paul doesn't like the idea).

If it is approved I may be looking into leaving the US. I'm not sure where I would want to go but is there anyone from outside of the US that lives in a good place that they would reccomend?

Bush is a puppet. Bro this **** is going to happen no matter who the Prresident is. This is kind of like what the bible says about the sign of the beast. If you don't have it you will not have the same privileges as those who do. Just ask Carpathia...

[Chipman]

It seems that every day we lose a little bit more freedom here in the US. We used to be able to go about freely without having to register everything with the government (way before any of us were alive). Now the Real ID act has pretty much been approved and will go into effect late 2008 or early 2009. For those of you who are familiar it is basically a national ID card that has all of your information stored on including fingerprint and retinal scans. A national ID card will be required to fly anywhere, enter government buildings, open bank accounts, etc. There is also a highly likely chance that the card will have a GPS TRACKING DEVICE IN IT called an RFID chip. This to me sounds scary and quite Orwellian. I am hoping like hell that this act somehow gets vetoed by some miracle (Bush is already expected to sign it and it has already passed the House) or the next president has enough sense to overrule it (I know Ron Paul doesn't like the idea).

If it is approved I may be looking into leaving the US. I'm not sure where I would want to go but is there anyone from outside of the US that lives in a good place that they would reccomend?

If you leave a wet back gets your spot.

[TheDeepBlue]

The RFID chips idea was scrapped last year. I personally would be against it, I don't like the idea of the government knowing where I am during my evening prowels.

well **** then you better not drive anywhere, use any bank cards or your cell phone and wear a hat made out of al foil so they cant track you while you rob a bank sell crack ******* and molest little kiddies.

the govt hardly needs a chip to track where you are, they have better ways. if the chip is in a card it wouldnt take a genius to figure out they can leave their card at home. if the govt really wanted to track you they would put a GPS chip in your fillings.....just sayin

[boosteddatsun]

korea....taiwan....

HA

they dont exactly hold civil liberties to the same degree as the US, not many countries do.

Lol I wasn't saying they did, that's just places I've considered moving to for reasons other than the one this thread is about. I think it'd be pretty cool to live totally immersed in a different culture for awhile.

It'd have to get pretty serious for me to move out of this country.

[Deviant]

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

[skullcrusher45]

Just go buy a ranch outside Waco and start your own town. Have your militia, schools, goverment, and religion. (In before ATF)

Haha I already live in Waco. I go to Baylor. And here is an article on the Real ID. http://news.com.com/FAQ+How+Real+ID+...3-5697111.html
If you go to page two it talks about the RFID chip. I understand that the government will probably only track those that they suspect of criminal behavior but I'm just fed up that our country has degraded so far from what our forefathers started. I think they would turn over in their graves if they knew how big the government is now days.

[JYC]

Taken from Wikipedia:

Each card must include, at a minimum, the person's full legal name, signature, date of birth, gender, driver's license or identification card number. It also includes a photograph of the person's face and the address of principal residence. It is required to have physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes.

I don't see where in the world you are getting this GPS/retinal scan BS from...

[big stud steve]

this kind of reminds me of the devils sign.. where you need to have this card to do anything.. but if u were to move id go to an english speaking country. my choices would be canada, UK, aussy, and germany (yes i speak sum german)

[Agent Lazy 78]

If you leave a wet back gets your spot.

lol....I just spit coffee out I laughed so hard

[Jim Jitsu]

How much do you think an I.D. card like that would cost to mass produce? Or would we need to pay for it....

Say goodbye to you're illegal immigrant problem.

[Bod1ggity]

Wah Wah Wah... Leave America then...

The only place I would ever consider moving over the US would be Australia, ive been there 4 times... I would love to live there.