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    Lightbulb Barbell Bent-over Row vs Dumbbell Bent-over Row

    I was reading a few studies and from personal experience and I've noticed and read that you can lift more weight with the Dumbbell Bent-over Row compared to the Barbell Bent-over Row

    Both expercises are classified as compound movements so wouldn't the Dumbbell Bent-over Row be the most effective one in terms of adding mass?
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    DB Row is also an isolation excersice. It do add muscle to the back but also help in building the proportion of both left & right lats. Which BB Row cant do.
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    Originally Posted by Mesomorphus View Post
    DB Row is also an isolation excersice. It do add muscle to the back but also help in building the proportion of both left & right lats. Which BB Row cant do.
    Yea thats what I was also worried about because my body isn't in proportion as we speak lol and I'm trying to find a way to fix that ahahahha

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    NO!

    do them both, first of all, switch em up-or do them both in the same workout.

    but back to my NO!

    FACT- compound movements build muscle faster than isolated movements

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    Originally Posted by strawser9 View Post
    NO!

    do them both, first of all, switch em up-or do them both in the same workout.

    but back to my NO!

    FACT- compound movements build muscle faster than isolated movements

    ^^^there is your answer!
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    Originally Posted by Great Elephant View Post
    I was reading a few studies and from personal experience and I've noticed and read that you can lift more weight with the Dumbbell Bent-over Row compared to the Barbell Bent-over Row

    Both expercises are classified as compound movements so wouldn't the Dumbbell Bent-over Row be the most effective one in terms of adding mass?
    Charles Poliquin:

    "One problem with the barbell row is that it's really hard for people to just use the lats and elbow flexors. They always unconsciously start to drive with the quads and use their glutes and lower back. The second thing is that the bar either hits your gut or your chest, which restricts your range of motion. The better way to do it is to just use the one-arm dumbbell row."
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    Originally Posted by papi93 View Post
    Charles Poliquin:

    "One problem with the barbell row is that it's really hard for people to just use the lats and elbow flexors. They always unconsciously start to drive with the quads and use their glutes and lower back. The second thing is that the bar either hits your gut or your chest, which restricts your range of motion. The better way to do it is to just use the one-arm dumbbell row."
    Couldn't have said it better myself!

    With the DB version you should be stronger by about 15% than with the BB row. Example: I can BB row roughly 160-70lbs or so for 8-10 reps... but when i do the DB row I can do 90lbs for 8-10 reps. Unless you can have perfect form on the BB row then I would just do the DB version that allows you to put more focus on the muscle you are working and to be honest, bigger weights= bigger muscle (any pro would tell you this) so i do the one that i can use more weight on while keeping good form.

    I do both however but do DB rows first at the beginning of my workout.
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    Assuming youre talking aobut single arm DB rows.

    for me:

    two completetly different exercises that hit the back differently.
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    I do both.

    One of the things I have found with the DB bent over row is hand position. Regular grip v hammer grip.

    BB is easier to hold form in a reverse grip. A little awkward with DBs
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    Originally Posted by Great Elephant View Post
    I was reading a few studies and from personal experience and I've noticed and read that you can lift more weight with the Dumbbell Bent-over Row compared to the Barbell Bent-over Row

    Both expercises are classified as compound movements so wouldn't the Dumbbell Bent-over Row be the most effective one in terms of adding mass?
    Two different exercises.

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    I do both. each works my back different. I love the dumbell bent over rows though
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    Originally Posted by Mesomorphus View Post
    DB Row is also an isolation excersice. .
    Uh, no its not.

    Its still a multi joint exercise thats hitting the biceps and even the rear delts.
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    Originally Posted by strawser9 View Post
    NO!

    do them both, first of all, switch em up-or do them both in the same workout.

    but back to my NO!

    FACT- compound movements build muscle faster than isolated movements

    ^^^there is your answer!
    they're both compound movements chief.
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    Originally Posted by Defiant1 View Post
    Two different exercises.

    The sooner you forget about "either/or" mentality, the better your results will be.

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    Originally Posted by I dont work at Ballys View Post
    they're both compound movements chief.
    o really?

    not so much

    isolating 1 muscle--if you do them correctly
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    Originally Posted by Mesomorphus View Post
    DB Row is also an isolation excersice. It do add muscle to the back but also help in building the proportion of both left & right lats. Which BB Row cant do.
    I think you meant unilateral exercise not isolation.
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    The sooner you forget about "either/or" mentality, the better your results will be.
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    In terms of poundages, having your grip in a neutral position is generally a stronger grip than an overhand or underhand. It's just a stronger line of pull. So, it stands to reason that it's possible to handle more weight DB rowing than BB rowing because of this (also because your braced stronger on a DB row with the one leg up on a bench to help keep your lower back safe).

    Naturally, you can hold the dumbbell in any direction, but the natural line of pull is with a neutral grip.

    If you're in doubt, try pulldowns using two different handles of the same width: one with an overhand and one with a parallel grip. You're most likely stronger on the parallel.
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    Originally Posted by papi93 View Post
    Charles Poliquin:

    "One problem with the barbell row is that it's really hard for people to just use the lats and elbow flexors. They always unconsciously start to drive with the quads and use their glutes and lower back. The second thing is that the bar either hits your gut or your chest, which restricts your range of motion. The better way to do it is to just use the one-arm dumbbell row."
    Agree with Mr. Poliquin.....I just started using one-arm db rows and had a much better workout and really felt it in the targeted muscle more. I'm sticking with the one arm DB rows going forward. For me, DB's in general work better for most exercises....
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    DBs

    I like the DB version better personally. I really feel like I can focus on the contraction of a specific muscle, whereas with the barbell version, you tend to lose that isolation. Definitely DBs for my rows.
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    Originally Posted by strawser9 View Post
    o really?

    not so much

    isolating 1 muscle--if you do them correctly
    read the post below yours for clarification smart guy.
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    Now that you guys have thrown the blanket of confusion and covered my eyes with it. For Rippetoes or even madcow's 5x5 which would be the "best"? I actually do one set of d/b as a warmup to bb rows...Am I wrong?
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    personally I don't know anything about either one of those 'systems'.
    what I do know is that to put on muscle mass in regards to exercise you have to move heavy-ass weight in the strictest form as possible for a predetermined amount of sets and reps.

    It appears to me that DBs are the preference of those above (mine as well), but both will be of benefit.
    If you have DBs heavy enough to execute those targeted set/rep ranges...then use them.

    do not complicate things by believing that variety (the use of both) is a bad thing because it is not...ultimately you can and should be using both IMO.
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    started doing them both this week, looking forward to seeing how it goes.
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    Originally Posted by papi93 View Post
    Charles Poliquin:

    "One problem with the barbell row is that it's really hard for people to just use the lats and elbow flexors. They always unconsciously start to drive with the quads and use their glutes and lower back. The second thing is that the bar either hits your gut or your chest, which restricts your range of motion. The better way to do it is to just use the one-arm dumbbell row."
    Papi, I love you (no homo).

    I have just ordered a barbell, but I'm happy to hear that DBs are basically all you need. As you may know, I have never even touched a barbell. I'm still a virgin.
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    The main disadvantage of DB "rows" is that you are supporting your upper body and therefore lose the core and erector training that you get with bent over BB rows. Depends what you want to do; like others have said, they really are two totally different exercises. One is not a sub for the other.
    No sir, I don't like it.
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    Originally Posted by Mr. Horse View Post
    The main disadvantage of DB "rows" is that you are supporting your upper body and therefore lose the core and erector training that you get with bent over BB rows. Depends what you want to do; like others have said, they really are two totally different exercises. One is not a sub for the other.
    I do one arm db rows bent over without support. These are kick ass. There's no pushing and pulling, just pulling.
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    On non-support 1-arm DB rows, where does your free arm go? Just hanging down?

    I'd try it, but I know I'd probably have to take the weight down considerably; I'd be concerned about wrenching/twisting my lower back otherwise.
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