Are you hypocrites? (gay)

[Bigdonweho]

It's absurd how homophobic this message board is. I guess that means there are a lot of closeted, self loathing bisexuals on it. Or people who do anything but go to the gym.

Gues what?

1. At least one of the Weiders is gay!
2. The editor of muscle and fitness is gay! I see him at gay bars in LA sometimes
3. A lot of bodybuilding judges are gay! Why else would they do it?
4. How many gay excercise magazines are there? Mens Fitness, Mens Excercise, and my favorite, Excercise for Men Only. Have I forgotten a few?
5. Who supports all those gay for pay bodybuilders? gay guys!
6. The bodybuilding photographers like Andre Deloach? Gay gay gay!

Gay men support the bodybuilding industry so much because straight women are often turned off by huge muscles. Especially the women who want to have kids. Who wants to come home and find your husband spent the kids college fund money on supplements??

[comebakthursday]

Interesting... that doesn't even remotely represent the people I know and I know FAR more gays, lesbians, and straight people who practice anal sex than you do (experience, age, location, etc).

Ok..so the gays we know don't have the same views...

[comebakthursday]

The mouth is used for ingesting nutrients and as a speech tool. It is also used when you want to direct air in a specific way, to blow up a balloon or to cool off your food. The mouth is used for expression when you want to show affection by kissing, when you display emotion by smiling, frowning. It's a tool when you have to break/tear something (biting), a defense/assault tool (also biting), and of course there are sexual uses for the mouth.

Consider the uses of a penis: waste removal, sperm delivery, and pleasure.

What makes you think that the rectum only has a single use, especially since it's the main access to the prostate?


Is laying out in the sun unnatural? You do know the dangers it leads to.

First off i asked for the functions of the mouth, i did not ask the things you could do with the functions. Thats like saying your ass has multiple functions and anal sex or normal because i can use it to sit in a chair.

I didn't mention natural or unnatural in that comment so idk where that second comment came from. I retract my statement about anal sex being unnatural, i believe i may have already said that, i still stand by the fact that it is abnormal and too risky that anyone should be taking chances with it.

[comebakthursday]

What makes oral sex unnatural?


Sounds to me like you are pulling this out of your ass.


Sounds like a class in logic would do you well also. We aren't making an argument that things are "Right" because animals do them. The argument is that certain things that you are calling unnatural, seemingly because you don't like them for whatever reason, are perfectly natural because they are observed in nature.

You can believe im pulling whatever you want out of my ass i could care less. I enrolled in community college my second semester of my junior year in high school because i had the credits to graduate and it was an option given to the schools in this district if you kept your gpa at a certain level. My whole family is in the medical field so naturally it aroused me.

Serious question, would you consider the observation of the human race or a certain society(i suspose along the line of sociology) to be a observation of nature?

[comebakthursday]

Rimming (mouth to ass) is not an infrequent sexual practice among humans. Add a course on human sexuality and human sex to your curriculum.

You seem to think all standards are set by you. You say it's unfrequent, but how commen or uncommon does something have to be for something to be frequent or unfrequent? Because i can name dozens of girls and guys that would not participate in that. Now if 1 in every 20 or so people makes soemthing "frequent", then i may agree.

The human sexuality to my curriculum comment was kind of random considering i dont believe i brought up human sexuality. You must be getting angry and your letting your emotions get the best of you..thats sad that your that drawn into this...

[comebakthursday]

Do you happen to have a manual for the designed uses of various bodyparts or are you regurgitating cultural/religious norms?


According to whom?



Why?


Wow, strong getting off topic. We're discussing "natural", not "normal" or "worth the risks". Don't substitute terms.


Crapping blood due to tears can occur without anal sex or foreign objects in the rectum. Are huge ****s and dehydration unnatural?


See if you can dig up stats on how many people lift weights.


The feeling is mutual.


You're entitled to your opinion on morality. It's good that you realize that it's just your opinion.

No and neither do you thats why im trying to explain this more elaborately.

According to whom does it mean it can be used? You? So you must be right..

If i came ONLY from having sex with an animal that doesnt make it right or justify it. I guess to you if your anatomy can offer you pleasure then theres no reason you cant take advantage of it. I mean according to you we are incorporating "nature" so why not right..

Dehydration is a natural occurance of the body, some people, no matter how hydrated they attempt to stay, it still happens. Volunteraly having something put in your anus is a little different then a natural bodily function.

When i first got on this site i spend months digging myself into these forums and debating, im not doing that anymore, hence the reason you wont have any statistics on people who lift weights. If you're so sure you're right though, give me statistics of all the people in the WORLD(not just the US), but all the people in the world who are active in anal sex. I know there are a dozen or so countries(nearly every mideastern country) that you could very literally be killed for an act such as that that we are discussing. Actually very few countries actually take census's the way the US, canada, and several european countries do. I guess you're basing your statistics off of about 2/6th of the worlds population(thats if your even viewing statistics outside of the US).

I have realized this is just my opinion and nothing more, but i have an odd feeling you couldn't do the same after seeing how stubborn you can be time and time again. Also the fact that you have repeatedly insulted me, you dont seem to be too accepting yourself..

[comebakthursday]

Aren't you worried that some day some muscle-bound gay guy is going to take exception to your heterosexuality and give you the same sort of hard time that you currently give gay people?

I don't think this discussion is on homosexuals, and i believe iv only brought my view up on homosexuality once so far, it's on anal sex which can also be practiced by heterosexuals so im not sure if i see your point.

[comebakthursday]

Care to prove that the "nature of intercourse is for procreation" only? I ask because nature seems to disagree with you.

Whether your believe in Christianity or evolution, i think you can see proof behind his statment either way.

[The Gootz]

Here's a quote from your thread entitled "Was this gay?"

If you're wondering why I was rummaging through your posts, it was because I was curious to see whether you've always been a troll or if it were a recently discovered passion of yours.

Awesome detective work. I scrolled through the thread but never saw a reply. Reps on recharge.

[amt87]

You're arguments flawed most gay guys have zero interest in seeing staight couples getting off. It should be why does the sight or thought of two guys seem to offend straight guys and the answer is not the're hypocritical but rather there insecure of their own sexuality, because the world teaches them the way to defend there own sexulity to their peers is too act disgusted and which becomes learned behaviour

[Jaw-Knee]

You're arguments flawed most gay guys have zero interest in seeing staight couples getting off. It should be why does the sight or thought of two guys seem to offend straight guys and the answer is not the're hypocritical but rather there insecure of their own sexuality, because the world teaches them the way to defend there own sexulity to their peers is too act disgusted and which becomes learned behaviour

I disagree. Straight guys seeing gay porn often think, "Uh... Okay... I could definitely have gone without seeing that." I've met gay guys who feel the same way about straight porn, even about straight couples making out in their general vicinity.

Look at it this way--were you ever grossed out by thinking about your parents having sex? Lots of people, straight and gay, feel that way about pornography that doesn't suit their respective sexual orientations.

[TwiloMike]

First off i asked for the functions of the mouth, i did not ask the things you could do with the functions.

Biting, sucking, licking, chewing, smiling, frowning, directing air flow.

Thats like saying your ass has multiple functions and anal sex or normal because i can use it to sit in a chair.

Dude, your ass does have multiple functions.

I didn't mention natural or unnatural in that comment so idk where that second comment came from. I recall my statement about anal sex being unnatural, i believe i may have already said that, i still stand by the fact that it is abnormal and too risky that anyone should be taking chances with it.

Since anal sex exists in nature and among humans by innate desire, how is it unnatural?

[TwiloMike]

You can believe im pulling whatever you want out of my ass i could care less. I enrolled in community college my second semester of my junior year in high school because i had the credits to graduate and it was an option given to the schools in this district if you kept your gpa at a certain level. My whole family is in the medical field so naturally it aroused me.

Congrats. Glad to hear that you're education oriented.

Serious question, would you consider the observation of the human race or a certain society(i suspose along the line of sociology) to be a observation of nature?

Sure. You have to keep in mind, however, that observing parts doesn't necessarily reveal the whole, and observing appearances can be decieving as to the cause of what you're observing. Analytical thinking ++.

[TwiloMike]

You seem to think all standards are set by you. You say it's unfrequent, but how commen or uncommon does something have to be for something to be frequent or unfrequent? Because i can name dozens of girls and guys that would not participate in that. Now if 1 in every 20 or so people makes soemthing "frequent", then i may agree.

Not infrequent the way I used it means that it's not some extremely rare practice that 1 in a million participate in. I don't know the stats on rimming, but of the people I know whom I had discussed sex with, both gay and straight, at least a quarter have at least tried rimming. It's certainly not a common practice, as in, the majority probably doesn't engage in it, but it's certainly more common than BDSM (I'm assuming).

The human sexuality to my curriculum comment was kind of random considering i dont believe i brought up human sexuality. You must be getting angry and your letting your emotions get the best of you..thats sad that your that drawn into this...

Don't confuse annoyed with angry.

[TwiloMike]

No and neither do you thats why im trying to explain this more elaborately.

I can see you trying, but aside from claims not supported by evidence (except that anal sex can in rare cases lead to medical problems) I'm not seeing anything.

According to whom does it mean it can be used? You? So you must be right..

According to the people who are using it and experiencing great pleasure and no problems (the vast majority of participants).

If i came ONLY from having sex with an animal that doesnt make it right or justify it. I guess to you if your anatomy can offer you pleasure then theres no reason you cant take advantage of it. I mean according to you we are incorporating "nature" so why not right..

Again, you are blending arguments that no one is saying should be blended. Something being natural is not an endorsement of it, nor is it a condemnation of it. It's simply a realization that it is natural. Please stop substituting "right" and "justified" for "natural".

Dehydration is a natural occurance of the body, some people, no matter how hydrated they attempt to stay, it still happens. Volunteraly having something put in your anus is a little different then a natural bodily function.

You missed the point. Again.

When i first got on this site i spend months digging myself into these forums and debating, im not doing that anymore, hence the reason you wont have any statistics on people who lift weights. If you're so sure you're right though, give me statistics of all the people in the WORLD(not just the US), but all the people in the world who are active in anal sex. I know there are a dozen or so countries(nearly every mideastern country) that you could very literally be killed for an act such as that that we are discussing. Actually very few countries actually take census's the way the US, canada, and several european countries do. I guess you're basing your statistics off of about 2/6th of the worlds population(thats if your even viewing statistics outside of the US).

You may wish to address this to the person who actually made the claim about fitness statistics: Edudbor. I did not post about that, I only inquired about statistics because I don't really know what the true picture is.

I have realized this is just my opinion and nothing more, but i have an odd feeling you couldn't do the same after seeing how stubborn you can be time and time again. Also the fact that you have repeatedly insulted me, you dont seem to be too accepting yourself..

Huh? I don't think I've ever claimed to hold some objective morality. That's the realm of religions and I'm not going there. Heck, I don't see sexual practices between consenting adults as a moral issue at all.

[TwiloMike]

Whether your believe in Christianity or evolution, i think you can see proof behind his statment either way.

Nope. There are plenty of species, humans included, who practice all kinds of sex for reasons other than procreation.

[Jaw-Knee]

...And once again, InMe appears to have dicked off and totally forsaken his own thread. Dude's flakier than a scalp in a Head & Shoulders ad.

Any predictions on what he'll troll about next?

[Mernalous]

It's absurd how homophobic this message board is. I guess that means there are a lot of closeted, self loathing bisexuals on it. Or people who do anything but go to the gym.

Gues what?

1. At least one of the Weiders is gay!
2. The editor of muscle and fitness is gay! I see him at gay bars in LA sometimes
3. A lot of bodybuilding judges are gay! Why else would they do it?
4. How many gay excercise magazines are there? Mens Fitness, Mens Excercise, and my favorite, Excercise for Men Only. Have I forgotten a few?
5. Who supports all those gay for pay bodybuilders? gay guys!
6. The bodybuilding photographers like Andre Deloach? Gay gay gay!

Gay men support the bodybuilding industry so much because straight women are often turned off by huge muscles. Especially the women who want to have kids. Who wants to come home and find your husband spent the kids college fund money on supplements??

Sigh, I'm fed up with the "OMG YOU HAVE AN OPINION AGAINST GAY PEOPLE!?!? YOU MUST BE A HOMOPHOBE OMG OMG OMG!" Just can it. I know I for one do not fear people of homosexual orientation, and I'm sure there are many others that do not "fear".

I'd like to thank twilomike for producing some pretty sound arguments, and actually debating rather then trying to turn bodybuilding.com(majority heterosexual community) gay, or insulting us. Always nice to read an insightful post. However, I find the notion of kissing/touching another man in a sexual way to be not my thing, I'm not repulsed by it, as I've been desensitized by having homosexual people around me from day to day life, some I could even call friends, so before you start ranting and raving about us "homophobes", think twice.

[Issobolic28]

4. How many gay excercise magazines are there? Mens Fitness, Mens Excercise, and my favorite, Excercise for Men Only. Have I forgotten a few?

Ummm...Men's Fitness is a straight magazine haha

[comebakthursday]

Biting, sucking, licking, chewing, smiling, frowning, directing air flow.


Dude, your ass does have multiple functions.


Since anal sex exists in nature and among humans by innate desire, how is it unnatural?

I never said the ass doesnt have multiple functions, i was stating the difference between me asking what the functions are and your response, but ok. Apprently i need to go a little slower.

Re-read the last comment i made in there when i mentioned natural/unnatural then think about what you asked me.

[TwiloMike]

I never said the ass doesnt have multiple functions, i was stating the difference between me asking what the functions are and your response, but ok. Apprently i need to go a little slower.

Re-read the last comment i made in there when i mentioned natural/unnatural then think about what you asked me.

What in my reply didn't satisfy your inquiry about functions of the mouth?

REgarding natural/unnatural, you did not retract from your position that anal sex is unnatural. If you did, show me where... I can't seem to find it.

[comebakthursday]

What in my reply didn't satisfy your inquiry about functions of the mouth?

REgarding natural/unnatural, you did not retract from your position that anal sex is unnatural. If you did, show me where... I can't seem to find it.

Maybe if you re read all the post you will, and you'll see me asking several times if this is an argument on the up and down sides of anal sex or how natural it is, and never getting an answer. As for your comment about the mouth, that discussion is over as far as im concerned, im not going to restate my question or explain what i meant a third time.

I will say this, a smile is not a function of the mouth. It is a function of the lips-in most cases-lifting in the corners and possibly showing teeth, smiling is not a function though, it is only smiling because people interpret it as smiling(i was looking for something a little more in depth then you went, but that wasnt possible, thats why i really dont care to continue with this part, if thats ok with you).

[comebakthursday]

Not infrequent the way I used it means that it's not some extremely rare practice that 1 in a million participate in. I don't know the stats on rimming, but of the people I know whom I had discussed sex with, both gay and straight, at least a quarter have at least tried rimming. It's certainly not a common practice, as in, the majority probably doesn't engage in it, but it's certainly more common than BDSM (I'm assuming).


Don't confuse annoyed with angry.

Annoyed or angry, i believe both are(or generate) emotions, i could have obvioulsy chosen the wrong one though.

[comebakthursday]

I can see you trying, but aside from claims not supported by evidence (except that anal sex can in rare cases lead to medical problems) I'm not seeing anything.


According to the people who are using it and experiencing great pleasure and no problems (the vast majority of participants).


Again, you are blending arguments that no one is saying should be blended. Something being natural is not an endorsement of it, nor is it a condemnation of it. It's simply a realization that it is natural. Please stop substituting "right" and "justified" for "natural".


You missed the point. Again.


You may wish to address this to the person who actually made the claim about fitness statistics: Edudbor. I did not post about that, I only inquired about statistics because I don't really know what the true picture is.


Huh? I don't think I've ever claimed to hold some objective morality. That's the realm of religions and I'm not going there. Heck, I don't see sexual practices between consenting adults as a moral issue at all.

I dont belive yours is supported by evidence either, unless i missed some obvious points in your comments.

I wouldnt go as far as saying a vast majority. Numerous people report bleeding and other such things, i wouldnt say most, or even half, but if i had to take a guess id say a good 1/5-8.

You're obviously arguing natural vs. unnatural and im arguing right and wrong, iv noticed that you are arguing that, has it not become apperant that we are not trying to share the same - opposite conclusions in our points(im pretty sure that didnt make sence but hopefully you'll get it, if not, im sorry).

I was not trying to imply that your stubborness or non-accepting was a result of religion or morality. Very possibly purely psychological. In my opinon you see such a problem and no reasoning behind me not accepting your views, but do the same to me. For what reason this may be i dont know and im not blaming any type of faith.

[comebakthursday]

Nope. There are plenty of species, humans included, who practice all kinds of sex for reasons other than procreation.

Well once again thats you speaking of nature, something im not arguing.

[comebakthursday]

You're obviously a very smart man and i like to think that im not too stupid myself. We both have our views and we both stand by them and us arguing in circles and trying to get to the bottom of each others comments is not going to bring this thread to any type of conclusion.

I had a great time debating with you though, just as i always have(although i think it's been a good 6-9 months since i have).

If you want to continue id be happy too, i just dont see the point.

[oshjo75]

negged for being a homo

[danny987]

this thread needed it

[TwiloMike]

You're obviously arguing natural vs. unnatural and im arguing right and wrong, iv noticed that you are arguing that, has it not become apperant that we are not trying to share the same - opposite conclusions in our points(im pretty sure that didnt make sence but hopefully you'll get it, if not, im sorry).

What your implying is that just because the body may work to bring satisfaction to a person in some "taboo" ways, that it must be natural, and that simply is not true. Your question nor the statement your copy and pasted holds any water. Just displays a fact.

Look dumbass, i never stated that because it was unnatural it is wrong. YES oral sex is unnatural, that doesnt make it bad, it causes very little if any negative effect to either human body.

Oral sex is unnatural according to you... and coupled with teh previous quote about taboos there is no reason to not take your stand on anal sex to be the same as oral sex.

Damn - too bad "nature" and "natural" do not correlate with each other. HEY, ANIMALS HAVE BEEN RECORDED DOING IT, THAT MAKES IT RIGHT! SORRY YOUR RIGHT IT'S NATURAL! ANIMALS DO IT SO IT'S ALL ALRIGHT. DO YOU LICK YOUR ASS TOO AND CALL IT NATURAL?! Damn, you got me...

Quoted for teh funnay.

[TwiloMike]

I will say this, a smile is not a function of the mouth. It is a function of the lips-in most cases-lifting in the corners and possibly showing teeth, smiling is not a function though, it is only smiling because people interpret it as smiling(i was looking for something a little more in depth then you went, but that wasnt possible, thats why i really dont care to continue with this part, if thats ok with you).

American Heritage Dictionary - func?tion (fŭngk'shən) Pronunciation Key
n.
1-The action for which a person or thing is particularly fitted or employed.

a-Assigned duty or activity.
b-A specific occupation or role: in my function as chief editor.

The function of the mouth (which is composed of various elements with their own more specific functions) is to perform as I outlined.