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    Nos-ether**jakkrk's Trip In A Diesel**

    RECIEVED MY NO-ETHER LAST NIGHT AND WILL START MY PRE-LOADING THIS EVENING...NO REASON TO WAIT.

    Some info about me:
    Around 170lbs.
    Diet: 2000-2500 daily (mostly clean..about 40-40-20)
    H2O Intake:1-2 Gallons daily
    Height: 65"
    Experience: Lifting since 04
    Supplements while on log: NOS-ETHER.
    (I don't count protein or other vitamins as supplements being added, as we all take these)

    What I expect from NOS-ETHER...STRENGTH GAINS. Plain and simple. I have recently hit my PR on almost all my lifts. Looking for more

    Lifts I will be keeping track of (mostly) in this log but am giving it my all overall:
    Db Incline Bench Presses: PR 2 sets of 90x8
    Standing (straight) BB curls: PR 80x4
    Db Shoulder Presses (seated): PR 80x4

    I lift a minimum of 5 days per week more if I can get it in...cardio daily when lifting..Off days (when I get them) are total off days.
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    GET DIESEL OR DIE TRYIN'

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    1999 CO State B.P. Champ.
    2001 Seeb AB B.P. comp. 2nd
    2002 Lackland AFB B.P. comp. 2nd Hw.

    B.bldg
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    2001 CO Mile High Open 4th Lt. Hw.
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    Thumbs up Day 1 <--reverse load

    My routine is like this

    M-CHEST
    T-BACK
    W-LEGS
    TH-SHOULDERS/TRAPS
    FRI-ARMS
    SAT-SHOULDERS/TRAPS
    SUN-LEGS

    With sat and sun being maybe's if I have the time but M-F is a definite.
    15 min cardio after each workout session...ALSO...I workout at 5am..if that matters to anyone.

    Taste---very good...have tasted alot worse.
    Mixed ok in a shaker with 10oz. tap water. Didn't notice any resedo(sp).

    Oh yeah...btw...I would like to that Chuck AND Diesel Nutrition for this opportunity for my opinion on this product.
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    Reverse loading

    Is complete as of this morning !!!

    Can't wait to start using this as a pre-workout sup.

    I will be taking the NOS-ETHER roughly 45 minutes before my workouts at 4:15am on an empty stomach.

    So far all I can tell you is about he taste...no bad.
    No stomach issues and I haven't noticed any bloating. It does foam up a bit in the shaker but nothing to bad.

    I mix mine in 10oz. of cold tap water.
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    Back Day**

    Now that the reverse loading is over, this morning I had 2 scoops in 10 oz tap water around 4:15am..and hit the gym at 5am.

    Starting off with Hammer Strength Deads.

    90 x 12 (2 sets)
    180 x 12 (2 sets)
    270 x 8 (2 sets)
    180 x 12 (2 sets)
    90 x 10 (1 sets)

    Seated rows (v-grip) supersetted with Hammer strength Lat machine.
    rows (plate #10) x 10// Lats 90 x 12
    rows (plate #11) x 10// Lats 140 x 10
    rows (plate #12) x 8/// Lats 160 x 8

    Now I take my 1 scoop post workout of NOS-ETHER then I do 15 minutes cardio.


    To early to tell about effects, strength wise but I have yet experienced any stomach issues or bloating. No excess gas after taking it either. (burps)

    Taste and mixibility is ok.
    Mental focus...pending
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    Shoulder Day

    4:15 comes pretty early in the morning and sometime Im just not in the mood (like today). Still I pressed on....

    Took my 2 scoops at 4:15 upon waking on an empty stomach. Hit the gym at 5.(boy that sounds familiar)

    Started with Db shoulder presses..
    50x8
    55x8
    65x7
    70x7
    45x8
    40x8

    All motions where SLOW AND CONTROLLED. Then Hammer Strength shoulder presses...

    90x8<--45 each side
    160x8<--45+35 each side
    210x8<--45+35+25 each side
    160x8
    90x8

    also hit the rear delts on the cable x-over machine.

    I have a good base to go by and right now I am just starting with it since it is only the first couple of days.

    At 4:15, it seem it is really hard to tell what is good mental focus and me just waking up..I REALLY didn't feel like lifting today, maybe the reason for lower reps (who knows)..I finished my sets and did my cardio nonetheless so I guess there was a little drive there.
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    can u post what day ur on and dosage at the beg. of each post.
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    Talking Day 7...arms

    Originally Posted by CHUCK DIESEL View Post
    can u post what day ur on and dosage at the beg. of each post.
    No problem

    2 SCOOPS PRE WORKOUT...1 SCOOP POST WORKOUT..(IM UNDER 190#)



    Took my 2 scoops at 4:15 upon waking on an empty stomach. Hit the gym at 5. Felt really good this morning. Well rested.

    Started with standing Bb curls:
    50x8
    70x8
    80x6<--+2 reps from last week

    Hammer strength preacher curls:
    45 x8
    60x8
    70x4

    Concentration curls (per arm)
    20x9
    25x8
    30x8

    Dips for trips:
    12xbx
    10xbw+40
    10xbw+45

    Db skullcrushers:
    20x8
    25x8
    30x8

    15 min cardio

    Like I said, I felt REALLY GOOD this morning. Looked forward to this workout. Family was out of town so I got some good sleep in. I was ready to go at 4:15 this morning.

    Taste is ok. I do notice that when you use a shaker to mix, it produces a little gas (not bad) so watch removing the lid.
    Got a good pump this morning and I seem to be a little more alert than normal, even now.

    Can't wait to see what week 2 brings!
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    Day 10--CHEST

    2 SCOOPS PRE WORKOUT...1 SCOOP POST WORKOUT. (before cardio)

    Took my 2 scoops at 4:15 upon waking on an empty stomach. Hit the gym at 5. Felt really good this morning. Well rested

    Started with Incline Db chest presses:
    65x10
    75x10
    85x7
    80x5
    70x8
    60x10

    Flat Db bench:
    65x8
    70x8
    75x4
    60x8
    55x8
    45x8

    Ended with a few sets of cable flys, then I did cardio. (15 min on bike)
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    2 SCOOPS PRE WORKOUT...1 SCOOP POST WORKOUT. (before cardio)

    Took my 2 scoops at 4:15 upon waking on an empty stomach. Hit the gym at 5. Felt really good this morning.


    Hammer Strength Deads started off this session

    90x10
    180x10
    270x8
    320x6
    340x6 <---Personal Best
    90x10

    then Lat pulldowns (cables) supersetted with HS lat pulldowns
    90x10
    140x8
    160x6
    90x10

    Thoughts: I like how I felt this morning. Really pumped. Felt strong and the weights felt heavy but movable. I seem to be recovering a lot fast with hardly any soreness in my muscles. My weight is dropping but my strenght isn't, which is a good thing.

    15 min of cardio after the workout on a bike..went for 4 miles. Up a mile for last week in the same time frame. So my endurance is kicking in also.
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    Day #13...arms.

    2 SCOOPS PRE WORKOUT...1 SCOOP POST WORKOUT. (before cardio)

    Took my 2 scoops at 4:15 upon waking on an empty stomach. Hit the gym at 5. Felt REALLY good this morning.

    Did arms (bi's/tri's) today.

    Started with standing Bb curls (with the Olympic bar)
    45x10
    65x10
    85x6 (with 2 cheat reps) =8 <---up 5# from last week
    85x5
    65x8
    45x10

    Added 5# to my curls from last week +2 more reps on my first set. ALSO added another set of 85 with 5 reps.

    DIPS
    bwx15--3 sets

    X-CHEST Db curls supersetted with Db krushers:
    25x9///25x10
    30x8///30x10
    35x8///35x8
    40x5///25x10
    25x8///20x20
    20x8

    Krushers are up 5# from last week. Seems like my strenght is improving
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    Day #15 Update

    2 SCOOPS PRE WORKOUT...1 SCOOP POST WORKOUT. (before cardio). This is my routine pretty much.. I mix each scoop with 5oz water.

    I didn't workout Friday morning, I waited until the evening. Did shoulders.

    Started with Db shoulder presses..
    45x8
    45x8
    55x8
    65x6
    70x3
    50x8
    45x8

    All motions where SLOW AND CONTROLLED. Then Hammer Strength shoulder presses...

    90x8<--45 each side
    180x8<--45+45 each side
    230x8<--45+45+25 each side (PR)
    180x8
    90x8


    Saturday workout (8am)(2 SCOOPS PRE WORKOUT...1 SCOOP POST WORKOUT)
    No cardio this morning.

    Worked bi's
    Started with standing Bb curls (with the Olympic bar)
    45x10
    65x10
    85x6<--dropped the 2 cheat reps (added 5# to next set)
    90x5<--up 5# from last workout (PR)
    65x8
    45x10

    Did some other bi movements, curls and whatnot...a little pressed for time.

    Thoughts after 15 days (about half way)..My strength is increasing and my recovering time is decreasing. UNLESS I really push the workout..I still felt Mondays chest workout until yesterday and Wednesday legs until Friday. Normally, I feel it from a couple of days after the workout.

    Not sure about muscle size. (didn't measure). My intensity and focus is right where it needs to be. I am focused at the task at hand and NOT thinking about anything else.
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    Update

    Day #16 was an off day..I haven't had one in awhile. Felt good. So I followed the dosage for an off day for 190# and below.

    Day #17. Chest day this morning. Well rested from the day off yesterday.
    2 SCOOPS PRE WORKOUT...1 SCOOP POST WORKOUT. (before cardio)

    Started with incline Db presses.
    65x8
    75x8
    80x8
    60x8

    Flat Db presses:
    60x8
    70x8
    80x8

    Hammer Strength Incline
    90x8
    180x8
    200x8

    Burnout with bench work (incline and flat) bar only x20
    Burnout for the tri--I did 3 sets of kickbacks at the end of the chest workout.

    15 minutes cardio (threadmill)

    Thoughts this morning: Weights felt heavy to me this morning. Up 1.5# from last week. (I ate non-stop last week).
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    Thumbs up This Is Day #21

    FRIDAY AUG 3. (DAY #21).

    Work has been a pain to deal with messing with my workout times having to switch for mornings to evenings then back to mornings. I have been lifting/dosing regularly. So here is an update from Monday.

    2 SCOOPS PRE WORKOUT...1 SCOOP POST WORKOUT
    Tuesday was a morning workout. ***Back***

    Started with Hammer strength Dead Lifts.
    90x10
    180x10
    270x7
    360x6
    450x4
    500x2<-- partial deads. Just to feel the weight. : )

    Then I did a circuit between seated rows, lat pull-downs and some other nautilus back machine..Didn't really pay attention to the plate numbers.

    Ended with Hammer Strength Lat pull-downs:
    90x8
    140x8
    160x8

    Wednesday was an off day..(back felt a little tight)

    Thursday**evening arm workout**

    2 SCOOPS PRE WORKOUT...1 SCOOP POST WORKOUT

    Started with straight bar curls (not the Olympic bar this time)
    50x8
    70x8
    90x4
    50x6
    40x8
    30x8

    Db skullcrushers:
    20x8
    25x8
    30x8
    35x5

    Preacher Curls:
    50x8
    60x8
    70x7

    X-CHEST Db curls:
    25x8
    30x8
    35x8
    40x5

    Tri pull-downs. Double and single arm
    (not sure of the plate number)
    4 sets 2 arms
    4 sets each single arm.

    Burnout with some nautilus machine bi and tri movements..Getting close to the end of the workout.

    Thoughts so far: My strength is improving, I AM getting stronger. (my diet really isn't helping matters) or mabey it is..I seem to always be hungry and it gets worse as the day goes by.

    Strength:9/10
    Taste: 9/10
    Pump:9/10
    Endurance:9/10
    Discomfort: NONE
    Recovery:8/10

    So far I have hit PR's on most of my lifts this cycle of NOS-ETHER. A little tweaking in other areas of my routine and I could see great things here.
    SHUT UP AND LIFT!
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    Unhappy Day #24

    No workouts for the past 3 days. A lot of work on the weekends.

    I did plan on it Friday. Took my 2 scoops at 3am, was PLANNING on a evening workout. Planning being the operative word in the sentence. I get home and the wife says we have to do some shopping and I have to go.

    Sat and Sun was just long days of work.

    I do plan on hitting the gym this evening.
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    Talking Day #24 Chest**GREAT WORKOUT**

    Did an evening workout last yesterday.

    Took 2 scoops of NOS-ETHER at 3pm BUT I didn't acutally hit the weights until 4:30pm. I used a workout partner last night cuz I wanted to go heavy and he was running a little late.

    I started with 3 sets incline Db presses, which turned out to be a warmup.
    60x8
    70x8
    80x8
    ............
    WO partner shows up about 4:45 and wants to start with flat Db presses.
    Started with:
    50x10
    60x10
    70x10
    80x8
    90x5
    100x3
    80x6
    60x10
    NOT USED TO THIS TYPE OUT ROUTINE...Next went(for me BACK) to Incline Db Presses:
    50x10
    60x10
    70x8
    80x8
    90x6
    75x8
    65x8
    55x10

    Finished off with some Nautiluas(sp) flat bench presses and Peck Deck movements.
    Went heavy for the flat presses (up to plate #17) then back down.
    Peck Deck was moderate weight for a GOOD stretch.

    Went home a took my 1 scoop post workout NOS-ETHER. I sure hope it helps with my recovery cuz I am going to be sore the next couple of days.: )
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    Day #25

    Today is Day #25 on NOS-ETHER.

    Did another evening workout, so I took my 2 scoops pre workout at 3pm and hit the gym at 4pm. That is when I starting lifting. No partner tonite. Flying solo.

    Felt like something new, so I worked shoulders only tonite.

    Started with 2 sets of Db shoulder presses for a warmup
    45x10
    50x10

    Then I went straight to the Hammer Strength Shoulder Press.
    160x10
    210x8
    220x8
    230x8
    240x5<--PR
    210x5
    160x8
    90x12

    Definately feeling the strength kicking in.
    Love this stuff.

    I WILL run another tub. Will have to wait until Sept. though but it WILL happen.

    Thanks Chuck..I believe this is what I was looking for.
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    Thumbs up Final Review

    Been out of NOS-ETHER for a few days now. Just haven't been able to get online.

    Took my last doses of NOS-ETHER on Friday and did an all out full body blast.
    Hammer strength Lat pulldowns:

    Finished at 230#x5..started at 160x8

    Lifts I will be keeping track of (mostly) in this log but am giving it my all overall: (STARTING)
    Db Incline Bench Presses: 2 sets of 90x8
    Standing (straight) BB curls: 80x4
    HS Shoulder Presses (seated): 210x8

    FINISHING LIFTS
    Db Flat Bench Presses: 100x3
    Standing (straight) BB curls: 90X4
    HS Shoulder Presses (seated): PR 240x5

    Strength:9/10
    Taste: 9/10
    Pump:9/10
    Endurance:9/10
    Discomfort: NONE
    Recovery:8/10
    Focus:8/10

    Only "bad' I can think of is that I have to take it an hour per workout. A lot can change in a hour that I think I am headed to the gym. Other than that..Can think of anything else.


    A big THUMBS UP from me.
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    Thanks for the full review. Can you compare NOS ETHER to other creatine/no or just creatine cell volumizers you have used?
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    Originally Posted by CHUCK DIESEL View Post
    Thanks for the full review. Can you compare NOS ETHER to other creatine/no or just creatine cell volumizers you have used?
    Past products I have used, from what I can remember. NO XPLODE...WTF PUMP'D...VASOCHARGE..NO MONSTER..CELLMASS.

    A comparision of the NOS-ETHER to the above is as follows:

    To get the same results as NOS-ETHER, you are going to have to stack the CELLMASS and the NO XPLODE, which makes in itself a pricey combo. I haven't used this combo in a while ($$) but from what I remember I did make some decent gain from it but it took twice as much as the NOS-ETHER. ie..about 2 tubs of each of the BSN products compared to the NOS-ETHER. Actually this is the same as with the others as well.

    One tub of the NOS-ETHER gave me more gains than a single tub of the other NO products. Thats not to say that I didn't like the others, they have their place.

    VASOCHARGE gave a good pump and made me more vascular. Got a tinglleing feeling when I took it too. Could also take it during workouts.
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