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    Tribulus liver toxic or kidney toxic?

    I was wondering if tribulus puts pressure on those 2 because everytime I have taken it in recommended dosage, I have felt heaviness towards the left side of my abdomen behind the ribs,I don't know whether thats kidney or liver.Has anybody else experienced the same?I want to try it with milk thistle to see if it counters that problem.I remember reading a study where it says that eating tribulus plants caused kidney stones in goats in Australia so may this thing is bad for the kidneys.
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    Unless you have a pre-existing liver or kidney condition, Trib should be pretty safe to use.
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    no thats not true.i saw another guy here complaining about the same.it overworks your kidneys and liver.a bit like taking certain creatine products
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    Ok then so 1 other guy out of how ever many lol. Did he have any tests done proving that Tribulus was being toxic to his liver/kidneys?
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    Tribulus Terrestris

    Tribulus terrestris is a prostrate, matforming plant. Although it has been used by the Chinese for thousands of years, little was scientifically known about it until recently. Tribulus is said to increase testosterone levels by as much as 30%, especially when taken in conjunction with sopharma. The primary mechanism of action to explain this phenomenon is that tribulus stimulates the secretion of lutenizing hormone (LH) from the anterior pituitary gland. This in turn stimulates testosterone production, as well as growth hormone and estradiol. Therefore, tribulus can easily stimulate gynecomastia (gyno) and insulin resistance. This is very negative for bodybuilders. In women, tribulus stimulates follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and estradiol, but not testosterone. 750-1200 mg/day dosages are not uncommon and is usually stacked with 100 mg/day of DHEA (discussed later) and 100 mg/day of androstenedione. Although the rise in testosterone levels may sound attractive to many athletes, the side effects are much more dire than gynecomastia and insulin resistance. Tribulus Terrestris has been shown to dilate the coronary arteries (Wang, 1990) and has a diuretic effect (Arcasoy, 1998). In both cases, this can put the athlete in a dangerous state. Bourke (1995) found that severe nervous and muscular locomotor disorders are directly associated with tribulus terrestris ingestion. The production of bile stones is also greatly enhanced (Miles, 1994) due to hyperplasia of the bile ducts and diffuse swelling of hepatocytes (Tapia, 1994).
    Gauthaman et al. (2005) suggests that tribulus stimulates androgen production, an effect similar to that of prohormones and prosteroids. For more on prohormones, read The Truth About Prohormones. As noted above, tribulus increases the risk of developing gynecomastia. Jameel et al. (2004) confirms this by stating that the increased incidence of gynecomastia in young male athletes is a direct result of the increased use of steroids and tribulus terrestris. Other evidence suggests that the heavy diuretic effect of tribulus can cause kidney damage.

    Tribulus also contains a compound called saponin, which is a class of glucosides. Saponin derived from tribulus has been shown by Li et al. (2002) to elicit a hypoglycemic effect. Serum glucose is significantly lowered with tribulus supplementation, which has negative effects on insulin sensitivity and central nervous system function (the CNS runs solely on blood glucose). A result of prolonged tribulus supplementation may be diabetes. Further investigations by the same researchers found that tribulus lowers plasma HDL (“good” cholesterol) levels and severely restricts gluconeogenesis activity in the liver. Antonio et al. (2000) assessed the effect of tribulus supplementation (in high doses) on trained male athletes. Over the course of the investigation, there were no changes in body weight, percentage fat, total body water, dietary intake, or mood states in either group. Slight increases in muscle strength were found in the tribulus group compared to the placebo, but the results were not significant. Antonio and his associates concluded: “Supplementation with tribulus does not enhance body composition or exercise performance in resistance-trained males.”

    Based on the available evidence, tribulus terrestris is an extremely dangerous supplement and cannot be used in a safe manner. Its supplementation should be avoided by all athletes at all times.


    ^there are studies out there which prove that it can cause kidney damage.its not an entirely safe supplement as claimed by the industry, but if you wanna be a dumbass then its upto you.
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    Oh watch out now for Tribulus! lol. Dude, people use steroids/prohormones all the time and when they get tested they come back with no signs of liver or kidney damage. Tribulus barely does anything anyways.
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    In some countries tribulus is used to help the liver so I dont see how that could be the problem. Heaviness sounds like your liver man. You also might want to take some ex lax and see if its just a build up of toxins in your intestines. I had that same pain and was worried until one day I took som colon cleanse and the prob disapeared. It could just be that.
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    ^yes it went away with milk thistle,it only happens when I am on tribulus.all I am saying is that this thing can cause a few problems as the studies suggest. If taken in large quantities it can cause problems for kidney.as for people who take steroids that too without physician supervision, they are dumb anyway.
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    Oh watch out now for Tribulus! lol. Dude, people use steroids/prohormones all the time and when they get tested they come back with no signs of liver or kidney damage. Tribulus barely does anything anyways.
    ^lol oh really.man u r so funny.I can show you atleast 10 people on this forum who have reported serious problems after steroid use including tumors.
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    it's fvkin nipple toxic, bro.
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    There was a study that showed toxicity in sheep (i think) who ate tribulus, but it made up a massive percentage of their diet (70% comes to mind). So...we arent sheep, our diets don't consist of any appreciable amount of tribulus, so Im not going to worry about it much...
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    Originally Posted by Aldude2 View Post
    ^lol oh really.man u r so funny.I can show you atleast 10 people on this forum who have reported serious problems after steroid use including tumors.
    They must of have preexisting health conditions then, because the odds of getting tumors from steroid use is very rare unless your a long time abuser.
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    Dude, if you're so concerned about trib, and are so confident that it causes your liver problems, and a whole host of other things, then why are you taking it? Use some common sense. Even if its supposed to be safe, if it makes you feel crappy then don't use, but don't expect other ppl to believe your inflammatory bull about Trib.
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    Originally Posted by fayd View Post
    Dude, if you're so concerned about trib, and are so confident that it causes your liver problems, and a whole host of other things, then why are you taking it? Use some common sense. Even if its supposed to be safe, if it makes you feel crappy then don't use, but don't expect other ppl to believe your inflammatory bull about Trib.
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    Originally Posted by fayd View Post
    Dude, if you're so concerned about trib, and are so confident that it causes your liver problems, and a whole host of other things, then why are you taking it? Use some common sense. Even if its supposed to be safe, if it makes you feel crappy then don't use, but don't expect other ppl to believe your inflammatory bull about Trib.
    ^in high dosage of around 600 mg a day it does cause those problems for me.i don't take that much dosage and now am taking it with milk thistle. its not my bull.. read the fkg studies out there.its the doctors saying it.
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    They must of have preexisting health conditions then, because the odds of getting tumors from steroid use is very rare unless your a long time abuser.
    ^how rare?why the f is it banned if its so rare..pre existing my a$$ and not just tumors it can give you whole lot of other problems as well,i have seen atleast 2 or 3 people here reporting kidney and liver problems after steroid use
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    used trib quite a few times over the years and no problems... think there is alot of stuff to worry about instead of trib but just don't take it otherwise i guess
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    Originally Posted by Aldude2 View Post
    ^how rare?why the f is it banned if its so rare..pre existing my a$$ and not just tumors it can give you whole lot of other problems as well,i have seen atleast 2 or 3 people here reporting kidney and liver problems after steroid use
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

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    Look at all 3 of these and take your Trib and shove it up your ass
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    Tribulus doesnt even do anything. Youre a moron. You read one study that said it MIGHT affect your liver and you believe it. Well guess what I've read multiple studies that show tribulus does NOTHING, do you believe those? Because I sure as hell do. Trib is worthless just like you.
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    Originally Posted by C6Corvette4Life View Post
    Oh watch out now for Tribulus! lol. Dude, people use steroids/prohormones all the time and when they get tested they come back with no signs of liver or kidney damage. Tribulus barely does anything anyways.
    People that commonly use AAS commonly report less problems with kidney/liver damage because they don't stress the kidneys and liver as much due to the fact they don't have to be broke down as much as a lot of otc pills (assuming their using intra-muscular and not tabs). There are VERY often reports of sides from OTC products (myself included). It all depends on responsability of the consumer and how the products are being used.
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    Originally Posted by Aldude2 View Post
    ^how rare?why the f is it banned if its so rare..pre existing my a$$ and not just tumors it can give you whole lot of other problems as well,i have seen atleast 2 or 3 people here reporting kidney and liver problems after steroid use
    Again this depends on a lot of factors including the user's knowledge and the amount taken. The type of AAS being used and the frequency of use. AAS are also prescribed on a daily basis and used by millions of people world wide with test. defencies with very few sides (due to the doctor supervision and patient responsability
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    trib doesnt work wake up people lol
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    For those of you who actually made sense and are knowledable about Tribulus and told it like it REALLY is I thank you. Lets face it. Tribulus does next to nothing. It may elevate test levels a bit but not enough to really make a difference. It's mainly just used as an add-on to a PCT. And if Tribulus has been linked to some people having liver/kidney problems then they seriously must have a weak liver or kidneys, because there's place of people who use oral steroids such as Dianabol, Halotestin & Anadrol (Perhaps the most 3 "toxic" of the oral steroids) and they get their blood work back and they have no problems at all with their liver or kidneys. So I have still yet to see any reports that Tribulus is liver/kidney toxic...
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    ^^^^Good call better safe then sorry.
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    Originally Posted by fratboi850 View Post
    Tribulus doesnt even do anything. Youre a moron. You read one study that said it MIGHT affect your liver and you believe it. Well guess what I've read multiple studies that show tribulus does NOTHING, do you believe those? Because I sure as hell do. Trib is worthless just like you.
    What a ****ing douchebag.
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    So you ask if it causes these problems, people offer advice, you already have drawn your own conclusion that this is the issue, you continue to use it, why is this thread even here?
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    Originally Posted by Aldude2 View Post
    I was wondering if tribulus puts pressure on those 2 because everytime I have taken it in recommended dosage, I have felt heaviness towards the left side of my abdomen behind the ribs,I don't know whether thats kidney or liver.Has anybody else experienced the same?I want to try it with milk thistle to see if it counters that problem.I remember reading a study where it says that eating tribulus plants caused kidney stones in goats in Australia so may this thing is bad for the kidneys.
    Originally Posted by Aldude2 View Post
    no thats not true.i saw another guy here complaining about the same.it overworks your kidneys and liver.a bit like taking certain creatine products
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    http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/pr...tris-facts.htm



    Tribulus Terrestris

    Tribulus terrestris is a prostrate, matforming plant. Although it has been used by the Chinese for thousands of years, little was scientifically known about it until recently. Tribulus is said to increase testosterone levels by as much as 30%, especially when taken in conjunction with sopharma. The primary mechanism of action to explain this phenomenon is that tribulus stimulates the secretion of lutenizing hormone (LH) from the anterior pituitary gland. This in turn stimulates testosterone production, as well as growth hormone and estradiol. Therefore, tribulus can easily stimulate gynecomastia (gyno) and insulin resistance. This is very negative for bodybuilders. In women, tribulus stimulates follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and estradiol, but not testosterone. 750-1200 mg/day dosages are not uncommon and is usually stacked with 100 mg/day of DHEA (discussed later) and 100 mg/day of androstenedione. Although the rise in testosterone levels may sound attractive to many athletes, the side effects are much more dire than gynecomastia and insulin resistance. Tribulus Terrestris has been shown to dilate the coronary arteries (Wang, 1990) and has a diuretic effect (Arcasoy, 1998). In both cases, this can put the athlete in a dangerous state. Bourke (1995) found that severe nervous and muscular locomotor disorders are directly associated with tribulus terrestris ingestion. The production of bile stones is also greatly enhanced (Miles, 1994) due to hyperplasia of the bile ducts and diffuse swelling of hepatocytes (Tapia, 1994).
    Gauthaman et al. (2005) suggests that tribulus stimulates androgen production, an effect similar to that of prohormones and prosteroids. For more on prohormones, read The Truth About Prohormones. As noted above, tribulus increases the risk of developing gynecomastia. Jameel et al. (2004) confirms this by stating that the increased incidence of gynecomastia in young male athletes is a direct result of the increased use of steroids and tribulus terrestris. Other evidence suggests that the heavy diuretic effect of tribulus can cause kidney damage.

    Tribulus also contains a compound called saponin, which is a class of glucosides. Saponin derived from tribulus has been shown by Li et al. (2002) to elicit a hypoglycemic effect. Serum glucose is significantly lowered with tribulus supplementation, which has negative effects on insulin sensitivity and central nervous system function (the CNS runs solely on blood glucose). A result of prolonged tribulus supplementation may be diabetes. Further investigations by the same researchers found that tribulus lowers plasma HDL (“good” cholesterol) levels and severely restricts gluconeogenesis activity in the liver. Antonio et al. (2000) assessed the effect of tribulus supplementation (in high doses) on trained male athletes. Over the course of the investigation, there were no changes in body weight, percentage fat, total body water, dietary intake, or mood states in either group. Slight increases in muscle strength were found in the tribulus group compared to the placebo, but the results were not significant. Antonio and his associates concluded: “Supplementation with tribulus does not enhance body composition or exercise performance in resistance-trained males.”

    Based on the available evidence, tribulus terrestris is an extremely dangerous supplement and cannot be used in a safe manner. Its supplementation should be avoided by all athletes at all times.


    ^there are studies out there which prove that it can cause kidney damage.its not an entirely safe supplement as claimed by the industry, but if you wanna be a dumbass then its upto you.
    If you already have the answer in your head that you believe to be true why are you coming on here and asking a question and then arguing when people tell you different ? if you don't believe it is safe then don't use it , but don't come here ask if it is safe and argue with people that say it is .
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    Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    This thread is 7 years old folks.


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    Oh chit. Been taking this. I personally haven't noticed anything negative, but it did make me horny is feck and a bit more alert.
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