War Against The Machines: AE Steel Edge & IXL + CL Purple Wraath vs. EMISGOD

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Calories: ~2149
Total carbs: 150.5g or ~28%
Total fat: 55.5g or ~23%
Total protein: 280.5g or ~52%
Score: 100% (6 of 6 targets) Outstanding. I probably would have come in higher, but I had some turkey chili today, which is currently bloating me, so I have little to no interest in further eating...

Observations From The Deck: I may or may not wind up doing a Cardio workout tomorrow. I need to once again get to laundry and ran out of time today, but presuming I get that done, as well as the other thing that needs doing tomorrow night, I will try to get in a session, even if an abbreviated one.

Auxiliary Intel: Nothing further to report.

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Quality Level: N/A

Calories: ~2222
Total carbs: 135g or ~24%
Total fat: 89g or ~36%
Total protein: 239.5g or ~52%
Score: 83% (5 of 6 targets) Very Good. Didn't get time to make lunches this week, so might be touch and go...

Observations From The Deck: No workout -- laundry.

Auxiliary Intel: Last night was the worst sleep I've had literally all month.

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Workout: Cardio
Equipment Used: Precor Elliptical
Driver: Volume VIII:B
Duration: 45 minutes
Calories: 523
Total Gym Time: ~50 minutes

Quality Level: Good. I wanted to go light tonight, maybe come in around 500 calories, but I wound up setting the resistance almost at MAX because it never seemed challenging enough, even for a casual session. I hate missing nights of sleep because they just ruin me until I can catch up again. Right now, I feel like I'm on the border of a crash, so I have to be very careful with the workouts.

Calories: ~1890
Total carbs: 128.5g or ~27%
Total fat: 58g or ~27.5%
Total protein: 225.5g or ~48%
Score: 83% (5 of 6 targets) Disqualified. I'm tossing today because I know those numbers are off, but have no desire to spend the time thinking about it to correct them (not that far off, but still...). I intentionally went higher on carbs for faster energy, which helped somewhat but what I really need is rest.

Observations From The Deck: I used the same routine as last time for Cardio, which was IXL about an hour and a half before Cardio, then Purple Wraath, then Cardio, hen IXL post Cardio. Even as tired as I was and even as low key as I tried to keep it, I still wound up pushing much harder than I had any intention of doing. It was almost as if I did not have a choice...

Auxiliary Intel: Going to bed after this post, as I want to have a good workout tomorrow...

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Workout: Shoulder/Back
Exercises Used:

Cable Rotations = 2 Warm-up sets
DB Lateral Raise = 3 Work sets (50sX10,10,8) {No rest} supersetted with
Smith Power Shrugs, Super-Slows = 3 Work sets (175X12,10,10) {No rest}
Cable Rotations = 1 Warm-up set
Military Press on Smith = 3 Work sets (105X10,10,8) {No rest}
Cable Rotations = 1 Warm-up set
High Cable Rear Delt Rows = 3 Work sets (Machine MAX, listed at 300X4, 280X6, 260X8) {No rest}
Lat Tower = 2 Warm-up sets
Lat Tower, Underhanded Grip, D-Rings = 2 Work sets (170X4,6) {No rest}
Middle Back DB Shrug = 3 Work sets (70sX6X3) {No rest}
Seated Row = 2 Work sets (160X5,8) {No rest}
Dunn Lat Pulls = 3 Work sets (85, 100X10, 115X8) {No rest}

Calories: ~2278
Total carbs: 194.5g or ~34%
Total fat: 68g or ~27%
Total protein: 243g or ~42.5%
Score: 83% (5 of 6 targets) Very Good. Again, kept the carbs up for quick energy, though these were slightly high, partially because I had some yogurt I needed to eat before it spoiled. I need to modify the diet targets again, which I will do in the post following this one. It is unnecessary for me to run carbs below 100g and trying to do so and keep the same performance I have been is seemingly going to be detrimental to my overall health.

Total Workout Time: Approx. 35 min.
Quality Level: Very Good. Dead in the water tonight, but somehow I made it in and got in a very solid workout. I was light-headed frequently and on the brink of collapse by the end of it, but I was able to work everything very thoroughly regardless. About the 27 minute mark, my energy took a complete nosedive and the last two sets took much longer than the others, but overall, I was very happy with things, except the Lat Tower and Seated Row, both of which were completely not there tonight.

Observations From The Deck: I have 2 more days of Basic Cuts and probably a week and a half left of the IntraXCell. I kept the same pattern as usual with the workouts, since I have completed the ramp up for the beta alanine, which is IXL before the workout, Purple Wraath during the workout, if it is lifting and before the workout, if cardio, Steel Edge before the workout and IXL post workout. It seems to be working extremely well and I will say now that I will be buying enough IXL to last the rest of this, possibly this weekend. I definitely see what all the hype is about now. Also started Relentless today, with the usual additional 1 scoop of whey. I will stay off of the Basic Cuts, once it runs out, until 08/16, which might put it past the end of this Log. I don't know what the next Log will be, if any. I like the idea of the Logs, as it really helps me to keep track of myself (and I hope it helps you out there also), but I don't have anything lined up so far...

Auxiliary Intel: Well, today, more or less, is my 1 year anniversary on these boards and I would like to thank everyone who has made this an incredibly pleasant experience. More than any other place, this truly is a community and I'm grateful both to be part of it and that it exists.

Also, I am pushing myself right to the edge. My throat was very sore today, which did not slow me down, but is a good indicator that I have got to push a bit less hard for right now (he says after a grueling workout), so I will probably be going light on cardio tomorrow. The last few summers, my sleep has really taken a huge ****, for some reason and this one is no exception. Additionally, I still have a mountain of stress on these broad shoulders and it all contributes to a wear-down, particularly since I am getting towards the end of another bottle of Basic Cuts and thermogenics seem to work that way with me...it all contributes and my CNS needs a bit of a break, I think, so Basic Cuts running out on Friday comes at a good time.

Weigh-in was 229 today. Machine's BodySpace updated.

Visible bodyfat continues to decline and the area around my gut feels considerably tighter...

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The Diet Protocol, while still Restricted, will be altered to the following, effective immediately.

Diet Protocol: Restricted

Total daily calories, non-lifting days < or 2200, lifting days to 2500.
Total daily carbs < or 150g.
Total daily protein > 200g
Very limited saturated fats
Very limited simple carbs

Running total calories as low as I formerly was seems to have put me into a slight metabolic stall. Not quite 3 weeks into this Log and my cumulative fat loss, in pounds, is 1. I'm interested to see how bf% comes out of this, which is much more of my concern than actual poundage losses. Unfortunately, I missed the 225 mark by today, which is what I was hoping for, but I can still potentially make it by the end of this Log.

The other part is that I currently need much more available "fast" energy and the only thing good for that is carbs.

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Total Workout Time: Approx. 35 min.
Quality Level: Very Good. Dead in the water tonight, but somehow I made it in and got in a very solid workout. I was light-headed frequently and on the brink of collapse by the end of it, but I was able to work everything very thoroughly regardless. About the 27 minute mark, my energy took a complete nosedive and the last two sets took much longer than the others, but overall, I was very happy with things, except the Lat Tower and Seated Row, both of which were completely not there tonight.

Observations From The Deck: I have 2 more days of Basic Cuts and probably a week and a half left of the IntraXCell. I kept the same pattern as usual with the workouts, since I have completed the ramp up for the beta alanine, which is IXL before the workout, Purple Wraath during the workout, if it is lifting and before the workout, if cardio, Steel Edge before the workout and IXL post workout. It seems to be working extremely well and I will say now that I will be buying enough IXL to last the rest of this, possibly this weekend. I definitely see what all the hype is about now. Also started Relentless today, with the usual additional 1 scoop of whey. I will stay off of the Basic Cuts, once it runs out, until 08/16, which might put it past the end of this Log. I don't know what the next Log will be, if any. I like the idea of the Logs, as it really helps me to keep track of myself (and I hope it helps you out there also), but I don't have anything lined up so far...

Auxiliary Intel: Well, today, more or less, is my 1 year anniversary on these boards and I would like to thank everyone who has made this an incredibly pleasant experience. More than any other place, this truly is a community and I'm grateful both to be part of it and that it exists.

Weigh-in was 229 today. Machine's BodySpace updated.

Visible bodyfat continues to decline and the area around my gut feels considerably tighter...

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Great feedback, I sincerly enjoy reading your posts throughout this log and while I havn't commented much, I have been closely following.

Congrads on surviving a year.. In all seriousness, I 100% agree with your last statement, this place really is community and there is NO other forum like it in the world. I was just thanking Jeremy today on what an awesome place the forum is and what a unique opportunity it is for company's such as us to be able to interact directly with like minded exercise enthusiasts as well as offer support to AEN customers.

Good to have you apart of the circus and thank you for consistently updating your log!

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Great feedback, I sincerly enjoy reading your posts throughout this log and while I havn't commented much, I have been closely following.

Congrads on surviving a year.. In all seriousness, I 100% agree with your last statement, this place really is community and there is NO other forum like it in the world. I was just thanking Jeremy today on what an awesome place the forum is and what a unique opportunity it is for company's such as us to be able to interact directly with like minded exercise enthusiasts as well as offer support to AEN customers.

Good to have you apart of the circus and thank you for consistently updating your log!

Honestly, this is one I hate to see go as I have really enjoyed doing this Log...I might possibly continue it past the bottle I have now to see how it interacts, if at all, with the Melting Point, but it really feels, when working out, anyway, like I'm a well-oiled, smooth running engine, moreso than at maybe anytime in the past few years.

As for bb.com, I have not interacted with Jeremy, but I have indicated, at length, to Ryan how fantastic I think the entire thing is. I definitely believe in this site and I am thrilled that it offers customers the level of access it does to companies and designers, such as yourself. Truly.

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The Diet Protocol, while still Restricted, will be altered to the following, effective immediately.

Diet Protocol: Restricted

Total daily calories, non-lifting days < or 2200, lifting days to 2500.
Total daily carbs < or 150g.
Total daily protein > 200g
Very limited saturated fats
Very limited simple carbs

Running total calories as low as I formerly was seems to have put me into a slight metabolic stall. Not quite 3 weeks into this Log and my cumulative fat loss, in pounds, is 1. I'm interested to see how bf% comes out of this, which is much more of my concern than actual poundage losses. Unfortunately, I missed the 225 mark by today, which is what I was hoping for, but I can still potentially make it by the end of this Log.

The other part is that I currently need much more available "fast" energy and the only thing good for that is carbs.

Your modified diet look very smart. I am interested to see how you react to for the rest of the log.

Great updates as usual

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Your modified diet look very smart. I am interested to see how you react to for the rest of the log.

Great updates as usual

Well, I definitely need the faster energy, which is my main concern at present. It should work fine for that...

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Quality Level: N/A

Calories: ~2126
Total carbs: 122g or ~23%
Total fat: 87.5g or ~37%
Total protein: 232g or ~43.5%
Score: 100% (6 of 6 targets) Disqualified -- 1 beer. Fat was off, but I probably would have waived it, if not for the beer.

Observations From The Deck: IXL is really starting to throw up a stink now...

Auxiliary Intel: I fully intended to do cardio tonight, but my roommate needed my help and I could not decline. Thus, it burned up my night, though I did get some work in on the next projekt, so it was not a total loss...

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Quality Level: N/A

Calories: ~2064
Total carbs: 190g or ~37%
Total fat: 63.5g or ~27.6%
Total protein: 195g or ~38%
Score: 66.6% (4 of 6 targets) Disqualified -- 1 beer. Fridays tend to be looser dietarily, but today was extremely busy all day today, starting nearly from the moment I woke up. I hate those days. I have also been in a beer mood lately, for some reason...

Observations From The Deck: Basic Cuts is now officially done for a while...

Auxiliary Intel: Weigh-in tonight was 226. Machine's BodySpace updated.

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Workout: Chest/Arms
Exercises Used:

BB Flat Press = 2 Warm-up sets
Decreasing Angle Inclines on Smith = 3 Work sets (115X7,6,6) {No rest}
Dips = 3 Work sets (BWX6,6,4) {No rest}
Push-Ups = 3 Work sets (BWX10X3) {No rest}
EZ-Bar Pullovers = 3 Work sets (85X5,5, 65X10) {No rest}
Lying French Press on EZ-Bar = 3 Work sets (65X10,8,10) {No rest}
Incline DB Curls = 2 Work sets (30sX8, 40sX5) {No rest}
Hammer Curls = 2 Work sets (60sX4, 50sX5) {No rest}

Diet numbers to come later.

Total Workout Time: Approx. 40 min.
Quality Level: Very Good. Chest feels like it was worked very thoroughly. I was hugely lethargic going in and I suspect this weekend is going to be a somewhat difficult one. Pulling 400mg of daily caffeine out is not going to be pleasant, I don't think...Incline DB Curls put a very unwelcome stress on my Shoulders, so I dumped those, but only those, out of everything else, felt like normal weight. All the other exercises felt much heavier than normal...

Observations From The Deck: I did not change anything from last weekend's pre-workout loading or post-workout recovery, in terms of supplementation or diet. I think my body is going through a pretty sincere burnout at present, so I'm happy I was able to work things and I'm going to leave it at that. Next weekend should be better.

Auxiliary Intel: Nothing further to report, other than that taking the IXL out of the bottle and letting them sit out for a while seems to help the odor considerably...

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Workout: Chest/Arms
Exercises Used:

BB Flat Press = 2 Warm-up sets
Decreasing Angle Inclines on Smith = 3 Work sets (115X7,6,6) {No rest}
Dips = 3 Work sets (BWX6,6,4) {No rest}
Push-Ups = 3 Work sets (BWX10X3) {No rest}
EZ-Bar Pullovers = 3 Work sets (85X5,5, 65X10) {No rest}
Lying French Press on EZ-Bar = 3 Work sets (65X10,8,10) {No rest}
Incline DB Curls = 2 Work sets (30sX8, 40sX5) {No rest}
Hammer Curls = 2 Work sets (60sX4, 50sX5) {No rest}

Diet numbers to come later.

Total Workout Time: Approx. 40 min.
Quality Level: Very Good. Chest feels like it was worked very thoroughly. I was hugely lethargic going in and I suspect this weekend is going to be a somewhat difficult one. Pulling 400mg of daily caffeine out is not going to be pleasant, I don't think...Incline DB Curls put a very unwelcome stress on my Shoulders, so I dumped those, but only those, out of everything else, felt like normal weight. All the other exercises felt much heavier than normal...

Observations From The Deck: I did not change anything from last weekend's pre-workout loading or post-workout recovery, in terms of supplementation or diet. I think my body is going through a pretty sincere burnout at present, so I'm happy I was able to work things and I'm going to leave it at that. Next weekend should be better.

Auxiliary Intel: Nothing further to report, other than that taking the IXL out of the bottle and letting them sit out for a while seems to help the odor considerably...

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ughhh......i feel your pain about taking the caffeine out! I hate getting lethargic and having a constant headache, when I try to lower my daily intake Good luck with that!

Really good workout, especially since you werent feeling %100

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ughhh......i feel your pain about taking the caffeine out! I hate getting lethargic and having a constant headache, when I try to lower my daily intake Good luck with that!

Really good workout, especially since you werent feeling %100

Well, I'm not eliminating it entirely, but Steel Edge is not a particularly good caffeine source...LOL

Sometimes I get really bad headaches (I loaded up on Excedrin, just in case) and sometimes I just feel subdued for a couple days...

I really have to give my CNS/adrenals a break and I find that taking a week off of thermos after completing a bottle seems to work particularly well for me...

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Calories: ~2287
Total carbs: 124g or ~21.5%
Total fat: 84.5g or ~33%
Total protein: 267.5g or ~47%
Score: 100% (5 of 6 targets) Outstanding. Very, very happy with the diet today. I felt like I really got it dialed in today and managed to pay attention and actually remember to eat...

Observations From The Deck: One thing about me that I try to do is be as transparent as I can here, in terms of training and supplementation. Even though I'm not always particularly impressed by my performance, I post the weights I used and rep count or the Cardio equipment and the duration without any shading from me. Same thing with diet numbers. I try to keep those within a tolerance of +/- 5% actual, since I don't have the means/inclination to get more precise than that. I also post my weigh-ins and measurements, even if I am less than happy with them. All of this is in my BodySpace.

The careful observer there will see that I have been using some supplements a good long time. Purple Wraath, for instance, has been virtually all of 2007 and some of the others before that, even. I have a store of many of those that will last beyond the end of this year. When I believe in something, I am very loyal and very dedicated to continued usage and will not keep on keepin' on with anything, generally, unless I do believe in it.

I believe in both Purple Wraath, Steel Edge and IntraXCell. The first I have enough to go through December, the second I do not and probably will not, since I have a lot of other pre-workout stuff that I bought earlier but like less well to get through first (and I don't really want to give away) and the third I just ordered today. I also made a commitment to Controlled Labs to Log the entire tub of Purple Wraath, not just the 30 workouts (which have come and gone a long time ago) they wanted in the original thread. What this means is that I have enough of all 3 to continue this Log. It will end when the Purple Wraath tub runs out...

Auxiliary Intel: While I am happy to be within 1 lb. of when I first joined these boards (225), I am somewhat frightened also as it means that I am closer to having to hit the mill. It reminds me of the video games, in a way, that once you get past a certain level, it opens up more weapons or moves or levels. In this case, once I hit 220, it means I also have to start hitting the mill. 220 opens up the treadmill for me...

I also need to go gym-shopping sometime soon, though I strongly suspect that I will wind up at 24 Hour, for lack of anything better closer...

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When I believe in something, I am very loyal and very dedicated to continued usage and will not keep on keepin' on with anything, generally, unless I do believe in it.

I believe in both Purple Wraath, Steel Edge and IntraXCell.

WERD! Haven't tried SE yet, but if it works two hundreths of what you say it does, I'll be a believer.

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WERD! Haven't tried SE yet, but if it works two hundreths of what you say it does, I'll be a believer.

Hm... I think I need to go through a tub of SE to see if this holds true... Might happen in the last 30 of my 60 days on IXL ...

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WERD! Haven't tried SE yet, but if it works two hundreths of what you say it does, I'll be a believer.

Hm... I think I need to go through a tub of SE to see if this holds true... Might happen in the last 30 of my 60 days on IXL ...

Before I started this Log, I had stated previously in the preceding Log that Steel Edge + Purple Wraath was the best 1 -2 pre- + during workout combo I'd found since Redline RTD went soft. I have to amend that now, of course, and add IntraXCell in there with the Steel Edge. Much of what I try to do is find the be all end all absolute best in terms of functionality for me in terms of supplements and nothing else even comes close to this. The most interesting aspect of Steel Edge, for me, anyway, is that it intentionally gears you towards the gym and working out, instead of just triggering a lot of aimless energy, which almost every other product out there does...

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Before I started this Log, I had stated previously in the preceding Log that Steel Edge + Purple Wraath was the best 1 -2 pre- + during workout combo I'd found since Redline RTD went soft. I have to amend that now, of course, and add IntraXCell in there with the Steel Edge.

Brian asked me if I've ever used SE and I said no but I wanted to try it because you recommended it. So he sent me almost a full tub

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Before I started this Log, I had stated previously in the preceding Log that Steel Edge + Purple Wraath was the best 1 -2 pre- + during workout combo I'd found since Redline RTD went soft. I have to amend that now, of course, and add IntraXCell in there with the Steel Edge. Much of what I try to do is find the be all end all absolute best in terms of functionality for me in terms of supplements and nothing else even comes close to this. The most interesting aspect of Steel Edge, for me, anyway, is that it intentionally gears you towards the gym and working out, instead of just triggering a lot of aimless energy, which almost every other product out there does...

What you described that I put in bold, is DEAD on accurate and what separates the current breed of all day high powered energy stims to a TRUE preWO supplement like SteelEdge. I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Brian asked me if I've ever used SE and I said no but I wanted to try it because you recommended it. So he sent me almost a full tub

I don't know who Brian is, but NICE! I think you'll like it, though you might need to go a little over 1 scoop...

What you described that I put in bold, is DEAD on accurate and what separates the current breed of all day high powered energy stims to a TRUE preWO supplement like SteelEdge. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Ad copy by EM! Now available!! (Im)modest fee!!! U.S. Dollars only!!!!

Yes, everything works really well together and this is one of the most thought-out supplements out there...best of all, ZERO creatine, which was honestly my original attraction to it...

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I don't know who Brian is, but NICE! I think you'll like it, though you might need to go a little over 1 scoop...



Ad copy by EM! Now available!! (Im)modest fee!!! U.S. Dollars only!!!!

Yes, everything works really well together and this is one of the most thought-out supplements out there...best of all, ZERO creatine, which was honestly my original attraction to it...

Well EM, I apologize for taking so long to hop on this log man. But I've just sifted through quite a large chunk of it and I must tell you how overly impressed I am with the detail, dedication, and labor put into this. AEN couldn't be happier with how you are conducting everything, and I am glad you are getting such good results in return, you deserve it.

As far as not having the creatine aspect in SE..I must agree that is also one of my favorite parts about it. Not only am I ready for the gym, but I can also enjoy other creatine products.

I also do agree with the comment on thought being put into our products. To my knowledge, I believe Seb has put in a few hours here or there formulating these supplements. You really have been on point with your evaluations and analyses, and it's always a pleasure to read such focused and aware pieces of feedback.

So keep it up, and I will definitely be stopping in here more often

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Well EM, I apologize for taking so long to hop on this log man. But I've just sifted through quite a large chunk of it and I must tell you how overly impressed I am with the detail, dedication, and labor put into this. AEN couldn't be happier with how you are conducting everything, and I am glad you are getting such good results in return, you deserve it.

As far as not having the creatine aspect in SE..I must agree that is also one of my favorite parts about it. Not only am I ready for the gym, but I can also enjoy other creatine products.

I also do agree with the comment on thought being put into our products. To my knowledge, I believe Seb has put in a few hours here or there formulating these supplements. You really have been on point with your evaluations and analyses, and it's always a pleasure to read such focused and aware pieces of feedback.

So keep it up, and I will definitely be stopping in here more often

Thanks, glad you're enjoying.

I try to keep all the Logs the same, so they are of use both to me and to others as a reference and I do sometimes check back to the old ones for information. I was keeping a Log on LiveJournal for a few years before I came to bb.com, so I had a lot of time to refine the Logging system. It was not much of a stretch to add commentary regarding specific supplements to it. I have tested various items in the gym also for years. A friend of mine who formerly managed a GNC would give me items to test in the gym, though I was nowhere near as detailed or as specific as to what I was testing or why. That was basically a simple "it's junk" or "it's not junk" equation...

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Workout: Legs
Exercises Used:

Squats on Smith = 2 Warm-up sets
DB Lunges = 2 Work sets (BWX10, +25sX5) {No rest} supersetted with
Reverse DB Lunges = 2 Work sets (BWX10, +25sX5) {No rest}
Glute-Ham Raises = 3 Work sets (BWX10,5,8) {No rest}
Seated Calf Raises = 4 Work sets (270X4X10) {No rest} supersetted with
Standing BB Calf Raises = 4 Work sets (225X4X10) {No rest}

Diet numbers to come later.

Total Workout Time: Approx. 30 min.
Quality Level: Good. Once again, a good amount of lethargy. I can live with it, though, as hopefully that means I will not also be subjected to withdrawal headaches. Workout again was subdued. I blew out Quads early and attempted the third set, but it was clear they were shot, so I dumped the Lunges. My body is really unused to these, so I can use them to more thoroughly run Quads to failure, which I will do. I suspect I did not control the motion particularly well or at least as not as well as was necessary on those. It's kind of interesting, Legs are about the only group I can keep remotely the same weight/rep set as when I was on a bulk earlier this year, though the Hamstring exercises have seemed considerably harder...then again, I've always had extremely strong Legs, comparatively, so it is probably more a function of genetics overriding dietary changes. Calves seriously feel about beat to death today, though.

Observations From The Deck: No additions or changes to yesterday's post regarding the pre-workout loading, although I stepped up Steel Edge slightly more. One thing I've noticed about Steel Edge is that I always seem to need to take a crap 30 minutes or so after taking it...this is a really interesting phenomenon and I've isolated it down to the Steel Edge, but not to any specific element of it...yet.

Auxiliary Intel: Nothing further to report.

End Transmission

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Observations From The Deck: No additions or changes to yesterday's post regarding the pre-workout loading, although I stepped up Steel Edge slightly more. One thing I've noticed about Steel Edge is that I always seem to need to take a crap 30 minutes or so after taking it...this is a really interesting phenomenon and I've isolated it down to the Steel Edge, but not to any specific element of it...yet.

Auxiliary Intel: Nothing further to report.

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Nice workout

I can honestly say, that I have not had the same problem with SteelEdge. I wonder what is causing your trips to the bathroom.....

[Beejis60]

I can honestly say, that I have not had the same problem with SteelEdge. I wonder what is causing your trips to the bathroom.....

Hmm, sure it isn't anabolic dump? Could it be Steel Dumps?

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Hmm, sure it isn't anabolic dump? Could it be Steel Dumps?

that would hurt!

[EMISGOD]

Nice workout

I can honestly say, that I have not had the same problem with SteelEdge. I wonder what is causing your trips to the bathroom.....

It doesn't happen on days I don't use Steel Edge and has been something persistent since I started taking it (well before this Log)...it has come to the point where I feel it has been demonstrated to my satisfaction that the bowel evacuation (nothing extraordinary in terms of that itself) seems to show a consistency in days I use Steel Edge, even if I have gone to the bathroom prior to drinking it...one more thing before I leave this ****ty discussion -- I'm not complaining about it; I don't really care one way or the other, just noting it...

Hmm, sure it isn't anabolic dump? Could it be Steel Dumps?

I am not using Anabolic Pump or any other USP product. My supp load is in my BodySpace and there is nothing beyond what is there...

that would hurt!

Yeah, the bricks come right after the razor blades...

[Beejis60]

I am not using Anabolic Pump or any other USP product. My supp load is in my BodySpace and there is nothing beyond what is there...

Mr. Serious