When is the best time to take 19 Nor'

**abfunk** · 12-02-2001, 11:51 AM

I've heard things about monring, or night, and some say an 1hr before workout, can I get some insight from others.
thanks.
ab

**Younggunz** · 12-02-2001, 01:58 PM

Tell me this first. How many mg in each cap?

**Big Cat** · 12-02-2001, 03:27 PM

Three doses evenly spread. The aim is to keep anabolic levels up around the clock, so doses of 900-1200 mg are used spread over three doses because PH only stay active for 4-5 hours orally. For convenience I usually recommend breakfast lunch and dinner, 300-400 mg each.

**abfunk** · 12-02-2001, 08:10 PM

even if i'm allready taking 4ad?
ab

**Big Cat** · 12-03-2001, 05:59 AM

Depends on how much 4AD you are taking. Unless experienced with the use of prohormones, never take more than 1200-1500 mg per day of prohormones. So if you are using 600 mg of 4AD , then you don't want to use more than 900 mg of 19Nor. YOu also want to split both doses up over the entire day. Say you end up taking 600 mg of each, then you would take 200 mg of each, three times a day at breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Also, good time to note that 19Nor is very prone to side-effects. Its the only PH to date that actually made me lose some hair. I recommend Nor-diol as it is 10 times less hazardous side-effect wise and 3 times more active. Doses and use remain the same.

**Jimmy** · 12-03-2001, 09:30 AM

BC you say that to split over breakfast luch and dinner - would it be any advantage to take one lot at those times and the other type in between instead of both together?

**Big Cat** · 12-03-2001, 09:55 AM

Little, but perhaps. You mean like take 1 dose 4AD, then 1 dose 19Nor 2.5 hours later, another dose 4AD 2.5 hours after that and so on ?

Yeah, there is some merit to that theory. Of course the question is how much will it benefit in real life and is it worth the inconvenience of taking 6 doses over 3 ?

**Jimmy** · 12-03-2001, 10:05 AM

Yep - Thats the one. Well hassle factor - if you're eating or shaking every 2.5 hours then to add something aint' too bad. One thing I wanted to ask you about is this...

I'm a hungry bastard - so to combat this - I do this

06:00am eat breakfast
08:00am shake (Just 1/2 scoop and milk 400mls-0.01 % fat light)
10:00am Same
12:00pm Same + potatoe
Train
02:00am Post workout drink with milk
04:00am Shake - (1/2 scoop with 400mls milk) + 1 slice toast
06:am Same
07:30pm light dinner
09:30 Shake (fuill scoop and 1 egg and 400mlm milk)
Bed

So I have twice as many protein shakes as most peole BUT with 1/2 as much powder. Kepps me going.

What do you think of that?

**abfunk** · 12-03-2001, 12:09 PM

so not before work out. Some one said do that and it works good 45 min before

**Younggunz** · 12-03-2001, 12:11 PM

I would really add some more real food to your diet. You shouldn't base so much of your protein intake on just shakes and powders. You really aren't eating as much as you think, your drinking it. You need to eat real food, with carbs and good fats, not just milk and powder. If you are looking to bulk up, you really need to do this.

**abfunk** · 12-03-2001, 12:32 PM

That deit looks like your leaning out. If you wanna gain add peanut butter and alot more complex carbs.

**Jimmy** · 12-03-2001, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Jimmy
Yep - Thats the one. Well hassle factor - if you're eating or shaking every 2.5 hours then to add something aint' too bad. One thing I wanted to ask you about is this...

I'm a hungry bastard - so to combat this - I do this

06:00am eat breakfast - 1 Egg + big bowl cereal
08:00am shake (Just 1/2 scoop and milk 400mls-0.01 % fat light)
10:00am Same
12:00pm Same + potatoe
Train
02:00am Post workout drink with milk (then lunch eg big sandwich or if not training then have lunch at 12:00)
04:00am Shake - (1/2 scoop with 400mls milk) + 1 slice toast
06:am Same
07:30pm light dinner - eg rice & fich & vegies
09:30 Shake (fuill scoop and 1 egg and 400mlm milk)
Bed

So I have twice as many protein shakes as most peole BUT with 1/2 as much powder. Kepps me going.

What do you think of that?

I've added a bit more details - you think that there is not enough whole food? hmmm this adds to about 3500 calories - I don't want to turn into a fat bastard.

**Jimmy** · 12-03-2001, 01:26 PM

6'2 242lbs 16%b

**Big Cat** · 12-03-2001, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by abfunk
so not before work out. Some one said do that and it works good 45 min before

Yes it does, to promote strength, but not to promote size.

**Big Cat** · 12-03-2001, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Younggunz
I would really add some more real food to your diet. You shouldn't base so much of your protein intake on just shakes and powders. You really aren't eating as much as you think, your drinking it. You need to eat real food, with carbs and good fats, not just milk and powder. If you are looking to bulk up, you really need to do this.

Apart from possible diarrhea from too much liquid, there really is no hazard in getting your nutrients from shakes.

**Big Cat** · 12-03-2001, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Jimmy
6'2 242lbs 16%b

If you weigh that much you need to be consuming 4000-4500 calories for maximal growth. If you are worried about fat, implement cardio and eat more protein than carbs.

**little lats** · 12-03-2001, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Jimmy
6'2 242lbs 16%b

Jesus CHRIST!! I think he is bigger than skinny.

How can I be 6'1" and have Bf of 15% at 213 or so pounds? this dude must have a full frame..Mine is more like a erector set.

**abfunk** · 12-03-2001, 04:06 PM

was wondering, can you recall the symmetrical formula? i remember reading about one years ago.
I think i good, but i want to know the rule of thumb anyways, case i want to compete.

**Jimmy** · 12-03-2001, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Big Cat

Apart from possible diarrhea from too much liquid, there really is no hazard in getting your nutrients from shakes.

Nah - its the opposite - I actually have a fibre drink in water right b4 breakfast - this keeps me regular otherwise I bind up a bit - see post "Grunt Handles on the Toilet"

I try to throw a piece of fruit in after my shake but don't knwo if I can get the calories that high BC - that scrares me a bit.

**Jimmy** · 12-03-2001, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by little lats

Jesus CHRIST!! I think he is bigger than skinny.

How can I be 6'1" and have Bf of 15% at 213 or so pounds? this dude must have a full frame..Mine is more like a erector set.

Hmm Wish it was all muscle - I reckon my bones weigh frikin heaps - I've drunk loads of milk all my life. Want to get my b/f way down - its a fight though.

**Jimmy** · 12-03-2001, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by abfunk
was wondering, can you recall the symmetrical formula? i remember reading about one years ago.
I think i good, but i want to know the rule of thumb anyways, case i want to compete.

Yeah that would be good to be pointed to

**Starsky** · 12-03-2001, 07:25 PM

I also would not recommend 19-nor, I have nothing against prohormones, but 19-nor is side effects in a bottle.

**RonnieC** · 12-03-2001, 08:13 PM

What about the "higher power" brand of 4ad? the directions say take it on an empty stomach and 30 min before workout? I thought you take it with food.

**Jimmy** · 12-03-2001, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by little lats

Jesus CHRIST!! I think he is bigger than skinny.

How can I be 6'1" and have Bf of 15% at 213 or so pounds? this dude must have a full frame..Mine is more like a erector set.

I come from down-under buddy - the air is clear down here, ain't no pollution, food is pretty pure.

**Big Cat** · 12-03-2001, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by RonnieC
What about the "higher power" brand of 4ad? the directions say take it on an empty stomach and 30 min before workout? I thought you take it with food.

Not necessary with 4AD, but for convenience's sake I always recommend you do since you will need three doses and you don't want to forget taking a dose. That 30 min before a workout is on all High power PH products, but it too is for liability purposes, you need to take 3 evenly spread doses of 300-400 mg a day.

**Jimmy** · 12-04-2001, 09:03 AM

Been reading your PH articles again.... BC and I see how you've said that breaks in dosage is a big NO NO as it stuffs up the test levels more. One thing everyine far away is probalby aware of but I'm saying it anyway. This tiem of year is REALLY BAD for getting stuff via courier or mail. It usually takes a courier 1 week to get here - three weeks and I'm still waiting for some stuff I ordered ages ago. So if your'e part way throught any stack and you stuff doesn't arrive - AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHH. Therefore be warned about the delays. Sure it would be nice to order our complete stack/order at once but who has the money for that?

Maybe its still 3 days in The States?

on ya!

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