Spiking insulin only promotes fat gains TRUE or FALSE?

[Elliptical Envy]

Insulin is anabolic as well as lipogenic. I just felt like posting in here.

[Hatebreed13]

? they are both hormone and anabolic.

slin is stronger IMO.

I meant:

Isn't insulin the strongest anabolic you can supplement with?

And I thought either insulin was also the strongest hormone in the body, either that or IGF-1?

[10TonBrick]

I meant:

Isn't insulin the strongest anabolic you can supplement with?

And I thought either insulin was also the strongest hormone in the body, either that or IGF-1?

depends

take 2 subjects, never used any AAS/slin/anything before.

slinboy takes 10ius of slin PWO for 12 weeks

testboy takes 750mg of test a week for 12 weeks.

at the end who has gained more muscle? testboy

this is becuase slin allows for growth when AAS have stopped working, this is why is called the ultimate hormone. it will always allow for some muscle growth

igf is mostly just for increasing satalite (sp) cells in the muscle, allowing for greater growth down the road. yes it builds immediate muscle, but that is not its sole purpose.

[pu12en12g]

Insulin is anabolic as well as lipogenic. I just felt like posting in here.

It's officially a party now

[Hatebreed13]

It's officially a party now

Is it a party with pants?

[pu12en12g]

Is it a party with pants?

I love lamp ?

[Elliptical Envy]

It's officially a party now

I was late for the party, but I saw that you were here so I said I might as well show up.

[Hatebreed13]

I love lamp ?

And you pooped in the refrigerator?

[Shkip]

The current line of PWO products are ideal in my opinion. Quality Protein source, sufficent amount of carbs for glycogen replenishment, and other goodies necesary for growth and repair. POST WORKOUT is one time of the day that you want high insulin levels. Now the secret to effective fat loss is managing insulin spikes during the day to ensure you dont have a large increase.

Simple carbs are not "bad" when used in moderation and properly timed. Products like Alpha Lipoic Acid are also helpful in managing insulin levels

The poster you referenced is rather faulty in their logic.

spiking insulin levels in a caluculated manner is good. Eating haphazardly during the day within looking to manage insulin levels is bad.

it has recently been proven that glycogen replenishment is no longer a requirement post-workout given that you have sound daily nutrition (mainly pre), abolishing the need to take null nutrient density high-gi carbs like dextrose etc.

[Hatebreed13]

it has recently been proven that glycogen replenishment is no longer a requirement post-workout given that you have sound daily nutrition (mainly pre), abolishing the need to take null nutrient density high-gi carbs like dextrose etc.

where?

[njmuscle66]

it has recently been proven that glycogen replenishment is no longer a requirement post-workout given that you have sound daily nutrition (mainly pre), abolishing the need to take null nutrient density high-gi carbs like dextrose etc.

proven?
and like you said the caveat is sound daily nutrition. The is a challenge for many individuals. I am not endorsing HUGE amounts of carbs post workout. I tend to stick with between 30-50

[Hatebreed13]

proven?
and like you said the caveat is sound daily nutrition. The is a challenge for many individuals. I am not endorsing HUGE amounts of carbs post workout. I tend to stick with between 30-50

I endorse it.
If it's all out mass and you're an ecto like me? I'll never consume less than 60.
I usually throw down 60g of Waxy Maize Starch immediately PWO, and then like 30 minutes later another 60g of complex carbs mostly.

[Shkip]

dex (or any high gi carb) is only needed if your daily nutrition (mainly the leadup to your workout) is insufficient. it was once thought that high gi carbs were required to replenish glycogen levels post-wo, however recently it has been discovered that replenishment of glycogen levels is only required if an insufficient diet is in place. so eat properly and you abolish the need of a high-gi carb, allowing you to take advantage of the nutrient density of a low-gi carb like oats

I'll let Alan explain it in more detail;

"Once upon a time, many including myself thought the world of postworkout dex. But here's the thing that everybody missed... ALL data in support of fast-acting substrates postworkout were done on glycogen-depleted subjects who trained after an overnight fast, minus a preworkout meal or shake.The presence of aminos & glucose absorbing into the blood during training as a result of a preworkout meal quite simply eliminates the urgency of the postworkout meal being quickly absorbed.

If you were dumb enough to train vigorously for a long time on a dead empty stomach after waking in the morning, then you definitely need the fastest-absorbing postworkout supplement available. However, if you had either a solid full-sized preworkout meal within 90 minutes or a small preworkout meal or shake within roughly 30 minutes of training, you absolutely don't need a fast-acting postworkout mix. Why? Assuming we're talking about the weight training bout of typical length (60-80 minutes), you'd still be in the tail end of the absorptive phase of the preworkout meal when your training bout is finished."

[njmuscle66]

dex (or any high gi carb) is only needed if your daily nutrition (mainly the leadup to your workout) is insufficient. it was once thought that high gi carbs were required to replenish glycogen levels post-wo, however recently it has been discovered that replenishment of glycogen levels is only required if an insufficient diet is in place. so eat properly and you abolish the need of a high-gi carb, allowing you to take advantage of the nutrient density of a low-gi carb like oats

I'll let Alan explain it in more detail;

"ALL data in support of fast-acting substrates postworkout were done on glycogen-depleted subjects who trained after an overnight fast, minus a preworkout meal or shake.The presence of aminos & glucose absorbing into the blood during training as a result of a preworkout meal quite simply eliminates the urgency of the postworkout meal being quickly absorbed.

If you were dumb enough to train vigorously for a long time on a dead empty stomach after waking in the morning, then you definitely need the fastest-absorbing postworkout supplement available. However, if you had either a solid full-sized preworkout meal within 90 minutes or a small preworkout meal or shake within roughly 30 minutes of training, you absolutely don't need a fast-acting postworkout mix. Why? Assuming we're talking about the weight training bout of typical length (60-80 minutes), you'd still be in the tail end of the absorptive phase of the preworkout meal when your training bout is finished."

I actually figured you were refering to the work of Alan Aragon which was cited earlier in the thread. Certainly have no reason to dispute his comments given the credibilty that he brings , however for my specific purposes I typically am going to the gym without the prework ritual he discusses. So the post workout protocol I follow works for my specific needs

[Elliptical Envy]

I actually figured you were refering to the work of Alan Aragon which was cited earlier in the thread. Certainly have no reason to dispute his comments given the credibilty that he brings , however for my specific purposes I typically am going to the gym without the prework ritual he discusses. So the post workout protocol I follow works for my specific needs

NJ, do you train on an empty stomach?

[njmuscle66]

NJ, do you train on an empty stomach?

During the work week YEP. Especially lately. I typically can get a meal in around 3 but afternoon meetings and driving to the gym puts me their around 6. And I just to always have seen to do better on an empty stomach. Not saying my way is optimal that is for certain...Just seems to be the way it works out for me

[Mr. Aries]

During the work week YEP. Especially lately. I typically can get a meal in around 3 but afternoon meetings and driving to the gym puts me their around 6. And I just to always have seen to do better on an empty stomach. Not saying my way is optimal that is for certain...Just seems to be the way it works out for me

ouch! Surgery needed imediately for that sentence!

[Elliptical Envy]

During the work week YEP. Especially lately. I typically can get a meal in around 3 but afternoon meetings and driving to the gym puts me their around 6. And I just to always have seen to do better on an empty stomach. Not saying my way is optimal that is for certain...Just seems to be the way it works out for me

I always wondered if performance was hindered by training on an empty stomach. Do you happen to take some BCAAs or EAAs with you while you workout?

LOL @ Mr. Aries. BTW, congrats on the website I really like the design.

[pu12en12g]

ouch! Surgery needed imediately for that sentence!

John LEEOWNED ?

[Elliptical Envy]

John LEEOWNED ?

John "Hollywood" Lee made a spelling mistake?

[Mr. Aries]

John LEEOWNED ?

errrr no..



I think i'll live.




Mistakes are only cumbersome when they interrupt the flow of a sentence.


if typed i this like, you and really wanted to this read, then becomes it a very annoying to read thing.

[njmuscle66]

ouch! Surgery needed imediately for that sentence!

its late and I am old but i will edit it just for you John

[pu12en12g]

errrr no..



I think i'll live.




Mistakes are only cumbersome when they interrupt the flow of a sentence.


if typed i this like, you and really wanted to this read, then becomes it a very annoying to read thing.

humor sense, and of irony wasn't and found, is not

[Mr. Aries]

its late and I am old but i will edit it just for you John

humor sense, and of irony wasn't and found, is not

head......hurts.......bad.....

[njmuscle66]

LOL @ Mr. Aries. BTW, congrats on the website I really like the design.

I like the site as well. Just that everytime I see it in your signature I think of Dave Tate. I didn't realize it was YOUR Site. Good luck with it

[Mr. Aries]

for some reason I've always typed "immediately" like "imediately"... my head needs to be examined

[Hatebreed13]

for some reason I've always typed "immediately" like "imediately"... my head needs to be examined

that's what happens when you become incredibly jacked...







































You mispell "immediately" all the time.

[G Diesel]

During the work week YEP. Especially lately. I typically can get a meal in around 3 but afternoon meetings and driving to the gym puts me their around 6. And I just to always have seen to do better on an empty stomach. Not saying my way is optimal that is for certain...Just seems to be the way it works out for me

Damn, can't even imagine trying to train effectively with no fuel in the tank. But obviously it has worked well for you, Chuck, as you're becoming harder and more shredded by the day.

Simple carbs postworkout is a bodybuilding basic and has long been such, providing dramatic results for so many of the best physiques for many years. Controlling insulin levels is the key, but overlooking the anabolic effects of insulin in the postworkout window seems like a grave oversight for any bodybuilder looking to maximize gains. Peace, G

[ToTha5Boroughs]

Where did you get a trident Brick?

[Hatebreed13]

Where did you get a trident Brick?

I'm sorry I ate your chocolate squirrel, Champ.