Intermittent Fasting for Strength Training and Fat Loss

[RU4A69]

A calorie IS a calorie in terms of body composition...

Can you HEAR yourself?


What if a lifter ate a diet composed of 80% sugar (fruit, molasses, cane juice), 15% incomplete protein (legumes and such), and 5% fat? Where would that get him body comp wise?

[-Aaron-]

Can you HEAR yourself?


What if a lifter ate a diet composed of 80% sugar (fruit, molasses, cane juice), 15% incomplete protein (legumes and such), and 5% fat? Where would that get him body comp wise?

No... What i was referring to, had you read any part of my posting over the last few days including the study I'm doing, you'll note that I promote adequate EFA's, 1lb protein/bw, vitamins, and fiber. The rest of the calories can be made up with whatever you want based on goals.

Now, can you HEAR me better?

[RU4A69]

No... What i was referring to, had you read any part of my posting over the last few days including the study I'm doing, you'll note that I promote adequate EFA's, 1lb protein/bw, vitamins, and fiber. The rest of the calories can be made up with whatever you want based on goals.

Now, can you HEAR me better?

So, a calorie is just a calorie, IF enough protein and efa's are supplied?

That's a contradiction.

[-Aaron-]

So, a calorie is just a calorie, IF enough protein and efa's are supplied?

That's a contradiction.

You're just looking to prove me wrong... It's like your goal in life.

Anyway, in regards to your post with eating that stuff in terms of body comp, no you won't get 'fat' assuming your in a deficit. There, now leave me be.

[RU4A69]

You're just looking to prove me wrong... It's like your goal in life.

It really isn't. My goal is to establish peace between me and thee.

[-Aaron-]

It really isn't. My goal is to establish peace between me and thee.

Truth is, I never had any issue with you... I actually respect your opinion, one of the 'few' I would actually take advice from.

I just didn't like your neg comment... So, let there be peace.

[Jesterclause]

How does protein come into play? How does it compare to spreading your protein intake through out the day vs. in an 8 hour period?

[RU4A69]

How does protein come into play? How does it compare to spreading your protein intake through out the day vs. in an 8 hour period?

the temporary refrain from food (I refuse to call 16hrs a "fast") increases protein synthesis-------increased insulin sensitivity + repletion of enzymes necessary for protein breakdown.

[Lactic]

martin - do any clients use this with success for contest prep cutting or very low bf levels.

[gjohnson5]

Can you HEAR yourself?


What if a lifter ate a diet composed of 80% sugar (fruit, molasses, cane juice), 15% incomplete protein (legumes and such), and 5% fat? Where would that get him body comp wise?

I thought the idea of an incomplete protein was debunked long ago...
A protein may not include all the essential amino acids but those 'abundant' amino acids are stored such that they can be combined as much as a week later

[gjohnson5]

A calorie IS a calorie in terms of body composition... That's the debate, not the satiety index.

In terms of metabolism , some foods require more processing then others. But that's the issue , were talking about foods not calories. The amount of energy the foods provides after processing is still what the user needs to watch out for in terms of gaining fat.

Yes, subtract 30% of the calories from protein due to metabolism. Dietary fiber provides almost no calories since fiber cannot be digested by humans. The fermentation process can lead to chemicals from fiber being released into the intestines. But the fact is all food (after metabolism) is basically used for energy and anything after that is stored as fat regardless of the macronutrient that calorie come from

So I agree with you for the most part

[-Aaron-]

In terms of metabolism , some foods require more processing then others. But that's the issue , were talking about foods not calories. The amount of energy the foods provides after processing is still what the user needs to watch out for in terms of gaining fat.

Yes, subtract 30% of the calories from protein due to metabolism. Dietary fiber provides almost no calories since fiber cannot be digested by humans. The fermentation process can lead to chemicals from fiber being released into the intestines. But the fact is all food (after metabolism) is basically used for energy and anything after that is stored as fat regardless of the macronutrient that calorie come from

Read the rest of the thread please... Not hating, just informing.

[gjohnson5]

Read the rest of the thread please... Not hating, just informing.

You're becoming overly defensive due to your views being attacked.
I actually agreed with your post for the most part

[-Aaron-]

Lord I've read this thread too much already
I agreed with your post BTW

Thanks and I don't blame ya. This section has gone to hell, fast.

[gjohnson5]

No you're right , calories are calories for the most part
It just metabolism which makes some foods have a harder hit then others

Some foods make us more full then others (satiety), but I think leptin plays a bigger role in that process as to when someone is hungry and when they are not.

[RU4A69]

I thought the idea of an incomplete protein was debunked long ago...
A protein may not include all the essential amino acids but those 'abundant' amino acids are stored such that they can be combined as much as a week later

Can you expand? That's very interesting.

[Doobie2270]

I thought the idea of an incomplete protein was debunked long ago...
A protein may not include all the essential amino acids but those 'abundant' amino acids are stored such that they can be combined as much as a week later

I've never heard of amino acids beings stored for the purpose of reinitializing protein synthesis at a later date. I don't think I believe this.

I have heard of certain amino acids being transaminated to create amino acids that are in low supply, but there is no storing involved. The only place I know of a.a.'s being "stored" is in pre-formed proteins, like muscle, which can be broken down to provide a.a.'s.

[Lactic]

martin
1) what kind of meals do you eat postworkout (foods and size?)?
2) what are your thoughts of using it as a vacation diet?

[Ultrablack]

Have you guys heard of the new IF book Eat Stop Eat? Reps to anyone who has a download link

thanks

[RU4A69]

Have you guys heard of the new IF book Eat Stop Eat? Reps to anyone who has a download link

thanks

You don't need to read a book, it's premise is hella simple.

Eat regular 5-6 days weekly. Do a 24hr fast 1-2 x weekly.

[gjohnson5]

Can you expand? That's very interesting.

Sorry for getting back so late
I've gotten into a number of arguments since this one concerning spot reduction (which has been proven that it indeed happens)
Anyway the issue is the so called "amino acid pool" The amino acid pool is amino acids floating around in the blood. As one eats "incomplete" food sources the proteins lacking in certain amino acids can be bound at a later date. I've hear as much as a week this so called serum amino acid levels can exist

But the real issue is the idea of an incomplete protein to begin with. I don't believe plants are "lacking" in essential amino acids. They may be "deficient" in some essential amino acids , but there is conflict in the idea of food which completely lack essential amino acids

[SuffolkPunch]

Sorry for getting back so late
I've gotten into a number of arguments since this one concerning spot reduction (which has been proven that it indeed happens)

Can you point me towards that discussion? Thx

[Lactic]

I do Intermittent Fasting and 6 meals a day. Win-Win. U Mad?

[Ultrablack]

I do Intermittent Fasting and 6 meals a day. Win-Win. U Mad?

[IGF-WON]

I do Intermittent Fasting and 6 meals a day. Win-Win. U Mad?

[kasha]

I'm still doing this while increasing muscle mass and losing the jiggle factor. The scale hasn't moved but people at the gym are telling me I look better all the time.

I did however take a week off - one of my workmates (I work in fitness) convinced me about the 5-6 meal thing so I tried it again. I felt hungry non-stop and was obsessing about food all day long, in addition to spending a lot of money. I also bloated right out.

So I'm back on this again, while making gains at the gym. I do drink fruit juice, diluted in water all day long because I need an energy source. I'm so physcally active, working at the gym, training clients, picking up plates, doing the odd exercise when I'm bored..don't know if I'm ready to just go on pure water between meals.

[Ultrablack]

Is fasting 3x a week better or worse than fasting 2x a week? I'm just worried about slowing down metabolism and halting fat loss

Thanks

[deadfingers]

Is fasting 3x a week better or worse than fasting 2x a week? I'm just worried about slowing down metabolism and halting fat loss

Thanks

You do realize IF increases metabolism right? Now fasting entirely for 2-3 days straight might eat away muscle, but this is Intermittent Fasting. Maybe you should read Martin's site more.

[friedrice683]

the few days i did this out of curiosity and my schedule with work just worked out to be really bad for eating breakfast/lunch, so i just tried IF and all i can say is i had horrible results. my stomach got bloated fast, felt "flat" all during the fast and weak. i mean i had great energy/never hungry during the fast, but i felt like a weak bitch during the fast. not to mention, my bf% DID go up, but my weight actually went down by like 1lb just because i couldn't get the calories in.

6 meals a day works much better for my body...

[gjohnson5]

the few days i did this out of curiosity and my schedule with work just worked out to be really bad for eating breakfast/lunch, so i just tried IF and all i can say is i had horrible results. my stomach got bloated fast, felt "flat" all during the fast and weak. i mean i had great energy/never hungry during the fast, but i felt like a weak bitch during the fast. not to mention, my bf% DID go up, but my weight actually went down by like 1lb just because i couldn't get the calories in.

6 meals a day works much better for my body...

Another one bites the dust...
How's your blood sugar on 6 meals a day?