Intermittent Fasting for Strength Training and Fat Loss

[gjohnson5]

Which was my comment in reference to a comment that lions not eating 6 rabbit's a day.
If you placed 6 dead rabbits in the area the lion frequents , it would eat 6 small meals a day....

You're absolutely right, which is why wild jungle cats in zoos are much fatter than their wild counterparts.

[RU4A69]

If you placed 6 dead rabbits in the area the lion frequents , it would eat 6 small meals a day....

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


are you being serious?

[Sibrek]

just going to step in and say u can make no argument about us, using lions.

[nads786]

who the f*ck cares about lions

even if u dont believe in the fast doing anything

3 meals a day vs 6 is the same at the end of the day, provided ur macros are the same

and let me tell you, its ALOT easier to get ur macros in and not over eat with 3 meals vs 6

[IGF-WON]

who the f*ck cares about lions

even if u dont believe in the fast doing anything

3 meals a day vs 6 is the same at the end of the day, provided ur macros are the same

and let me tell you, its ALOT easier to get ur macros in and not over eat with 3 meals vs 6

IF-wise, it is all about what is easier for you.

meal number wise (assuming no IF) http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...postcount=3103

... now back to the IF discussion

has anyone tried high intensity sports like basketball in an unfed state?

[gjohnson5]

who the f*ck cares about lions

even if u dont believe in the fast doing anything

3 meals a day vs 6 is the same at the end of the day, provided ur macros are the same

and let me tell you, its ALOT easier to get ur macros in and not over eat with 3 meals vs 6

Hopefully the issue has not been about over eating
Counting calories or having a decent estimate about the caloric value of certain meal is too easy...

[Martin Berkhan]

IF-wise, it is all about what is easier for you.

meal number wise (assuming no IF) http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...postcount=3103

... now back to the IF discussion

has anyone tried high intensity sports like basketball in an unfed state?

Did you miss the post where I explained why that study is completely retarded?

[IGF-WON]

Did you miss the post where I explained why that study is completely retarded?

my bad i think i did

[Tiffany_P]

well if cougars had unlimited food on hand and did nothing, theyd get chunky. you dont see fat wild dogs and cats, but you see fat domestic ones.

cavemen would definitely get fat if they didnt have to work so damn hard and could eat whenever they wanted. why do you think being fat was a status symbol in some cultures when meals were not guaranteed?

Sure, I agree, but does that make fat storage a priority? I thought fat storage only happened after all other energy needs had been met and glycogen stores were filled. Am I missing something here?

[Basil08]

Sure, I agree, but does that make fat storage a priority? I thought fat storage only happened after all other energy needs had been met and glycogen stores were filled. Am I missing something here?

The body is much more complex than that. you can not read it like a car's manual, nor a blue print for that matter.

[nads786]

Hopefully the issue has not been about over eating
Counting calories or having a decent estimate about the caloric value of certain meal is too easy...

depends on the person, i have to really lower my cals down to around 2000-2100 to see a weight lose

eating it in 3 meals vs 6 is alot easier

[W8isGR8]

Which was my comment in reference to a comment that lions not eating 6 rabbit's a day.
If you placed 6 dead rabbits in the area the lion frequents , it would eat 6 small meals a day....

No...it would eat as much as possible in one feeding



Anyway, this conversation is retarded. The body has energy storage(fat, glycogen/atp/cp)....use up that energy during the day, refill it later. Use workouts to partition nutrients, end of story.

[Doobie2270]

No...it would eat as much as possible in one feeding



Anyway, this conversation is retarded. The body has energy storage(fat, glycogen/atp/cp)....use up that energy during the day, refill it later. Use workouts to partition nutrients, end of story.

Yea, lions are definitely not partial to tiny meals.

I think we need to factor in the fact that there are no refrigerators in the African wilderness. Carnivores eat a ton in part because that dead deer will be decaying by tomorrow night and being picked apart by scavangers.

Also, we're not lions. Or cavemen. If we were, we wouldn't be analyzing what we eat and nitpicking everything.

[Phosphate bond]

I thought fat storage only happened after all other energy needs had been met and glycogen stores were filled.

Fat storage can happen simultaneously with glycogen synthesis. However, if caloric requirements are in check this won't really affect long term fat gains.

In fact, Energy storage/release happens many times per day from fat cells. Think of adipose as a flexible resevoir of energy that can be dipped into to dampen hunger in between meals.

[bango skank]

Also, we're not lions. Or cavemen. If we were, we wouldn't be analyzing what we eat and nitpicking everything.

Well, we were cavemen for 7 mllion years.. and only stopped being cavemen about 10,000 years ago... so it bears reflection.

We were never lions though, as far as I know.

[Doobie2270]

Well, we were cavemen for 7 mllion years.. and only stopped being cavemen about 10,000 years ago... so it bears reflection.

But that bears no relevance to the bodybuilding subculture. What we do here has nothing to do with survival out in the wilderness. I really don't understand why anybody ever brought that up as an argument for what we should eat to get lean.

There are primitive tribes still living out in the wild, living the same life that their ancestors lived. THEY LOOK NOTHING LIKE BODYBUILDERS. They're either scrawny from food scarcities or fat from overfeeding. Running after animals (ie, cardio) doesn't do wonders for muscularity, apparently. I don't see what lessons we can take from our ancestors, other than avoiding what they did.

As for IF, I think anecdotal evidence is currently our best resource. I don't think there are proper scientific studies done on wannabe bodybuilders using IF to cut/bulk; its always rats or fat, older women.

[Doobie2270]

Well, we were cavemen for 7 mllion years.. and only stopped being cavemen about 10,000 years ago... so it bears reflection.

Here's a sample that is likely representative of our ancestors. They look nothing like Arnold.








just messing around, you guys, lol

[whitechococlate]

srry to hijack...but when using IF, how often do u get to eat? is it 3 meals a day? or is it like 2? or even 1?

j/w

[Knux]

srry to hijack...but when using IF, how often do u get to eat? is it 3 meals a day? or is it like 2? or even 1?

j/w

Not 1. 1 is bad. But any other combination would work.

If I'm right, you could eat a meal, workout an hour later, and snack for the rest of the day until you meet your caloric/macro needs.

[RU4A69]

Not 1. 1 is bad.
.

Why? Enlighten me.

[friedrice683]

Just bad for digestion



Small pre workout meal, huge post workout, then followed by like normal meal before bed is usual IF thing


I have yet to try this out...just circumstances will not allow it lately


Although I really want to just for its ease.

[Knux]

Why? Enlighten me.

How do you split 1 meal into pre and post workout?

[Doobie2270]

How do you split 1 meal into pre and post workout?

I've been thinking about this for some time now, and I'm not sure there's any point to post workout food. I mean, quick-digesting whey is one thing, but what about normal food? What if you don't use supplements?

Whole foods take time to digest, so eating a can of tuna fish post workout means that you still won't get those amino acids in your blood for hours. Wouldn't it make most sense just to eat your oats and chicken breast a while before you exercise, so that the sugars and amino acids will have been released from the food in time for your muscles to use them?

Is the rate of digestion affected by the volume of food you ingest? If so, eating one giant, protein-rich meal and working out an hour or two later could be alright for some people. They'll slowly digest all that stuff, keeping a steady stream of amino acids in their blood all night long. Then again, I don't really know the effect that volume has on digestion.

[nads786]

I've been thinking about this for some time now, and I'm not sure there's any point to post workout food. I mean, quick-digesting whey is one thing, but what about normal food? What if you don't use supplements?

Whole foods take time to digest, so eating a can of tuna fish post workout means that you still won't get those amino acids in your blood for hours. Wouldn't it make most sense just to eat your oats and chicken breast a while before you exercise, so that the sugars and amino acids will have been released from the food in time for your muscles to use them?

Is the rate of digestion affected by the volume of food you ingest? If so, eating one giant, protein-rich meal and working out an hour or two later could be alright for some people. They'll slowly digest all that stuff, keeping a steady stream of amino acids in their blood all night long. Then again, I don't really know the effect that volume has on digestion.

guys nobody said you have to eat only one meal!

its about fasting, then breaking the fast workout, then eat again

the number of meals is up to you, you are just eating in a condensed window

[Basil08]

guys nobody said you have to eat only one meal!

You have to eat only one meal!

[nads786]

You have to eat only one meal!

have you actually read this entire thread????

read it before you make such a statement, in fact the first 3 pages of this thread do not say eat only one meal!

[Knux]

have you actually read this entire thread????

read it before you make such a statement, in fact the first 3 pages of this thread do not say eat only one meal!

Pretty sure he was joking..

[nads786]

Pretty sure he was joking..

oops

im not good with the humor

[Knux]

oops

im not good with the humor

Haha. We all have our moments...

Some more than others ;x

[Basil08]

have you actually read this entire thread????

read it before you make such a statement, in fact the first 3 pages of this thread do not say eat only one meal!

Lulz.

FYI: yes, yes i have.

Pretty sure he was joking..

Your sure your 15?

Reps when i can.