This is just crossing the line!

[Pump that iron!]

I can't believe what I heard on the news today. Jack Layton, leader of the NDP party in Canada (more or less a socialist party) is going to propose a bill that will BAN trans fats.

Now, this is taking the term 'socialist' to a whole different level. If people want to put that into their bodies, even though they HAVE to know it's bad for them because it's been said again and again...by all means, that's their problem and their choice!

It's a bit ridiculous that someone, especially the leader of a national political party would suggest putting restrictions on what people cannot eat.

Apparently, the news story said that in Denmark, this has already been in effect.

[Skrape]

Originally Posted by Pump that iron!

I can't believe what I heard on the news today. Jack Layton, leader of the NDP party in Canada (more or less a socialist party) is going to propose a bill that will BAN trans fats.

Now, this is taking the term 'socialist' to a whole different level. If people want to put that into their bodies, even though they HAVE to know it's bad for them because it's been said again and again...by all means, that's their problem and their choice!

It's a bit ridiculous that someone, especially the leader of a national political party would suggest putting restrictions on what people cannot eat.

Apparently, the news story said that in Denmark, this has already been in effect.

I just heard it about an hour ago on CBC.

I agree with you that the people should be able to choose what to eat. However, I think this is a good idea considering that most people have absolutely no clue about proper dieting and nutrition (except us cool bodybuilder guys ).

[Petey_G]

Originally Posted by Pump that iron!

I can't believe what I heard on the news today. Jack Layton, leader of the NDP party in Canada (more or less a socialist party) is going to propose a bill that will BAN trans fats.

Now, this is taking the term 'socialist' to a whole different level. If people want to put that into their bodies, even though they HAVE to know it's bad for them because it's been said again and again...by all means, that's their problem and their choice!

It's a bit ridiculous that someone, especially the leader of a national political party would suggest putting restrictions on what people cannot eat.

Apparently, the news story said that in Denmark, this has already been in effect.

...and people are spouting that the Republican's policies remind them of '84.........

.....Hey Pot, the Kettle in on line 2...

[(o)./^\.(o)]

Originally Posted by Petey_G

...and people are spouting that the Republican's policies remind them of '84.........

.....Hey Pot, the Kettle in on line 2...

I'm not Canadian, and I'm not a member of the NDP party, so I will continue to spout about the Republican's policies.

[Petey_G]

Originally Posted by (o)./^\.(o)

I'm not Canadian, and I'm not a member of the NDP party, so I will continue to spout about the Republican's policies.

You have to admitt thou, that is pretty '84ish there...People need to realize, the bigger the government the more it plays a role in what your allowed to do on a daily basis...

Bigger Government=Less Freedoms

[(o)./^\.(o)]

Originally Posted by Petey_G

You have to admitt thou, that is pretty '84ish there...People need to realize, the bigger the government the more it plays a role in what your allowed to do on a daily basis...

Bigger Government=Less Freedoms

Yea it definitley is, that's a ridiculous thing to even suggest.

Patriot Act=Less freedoms

You do realize that Bush has done nothing to shrink the government and its power, in fact he has broadened it?

[Cosmonaut]

Ok what foods are gonna be banned or is he mearly proposing this? If so then hes relly desperate for some votes, lol. If the NDP wanna make any headway they need to get rid of that little turd.

[Petey_G]

Originally Posted by (o)./^\.(o)

Yea it definitley is, that's a ridiculous thing to even suggest.

Patriot Act=Less freedoms

You do realize that Bush has done nothing to shrink the government and its power, in fact he has broadened it?

I have never supported the Patriot Act, and I fully agree. The Patriot Act adds to government which lessens our freedoms.

I will continue to support most Republicans though, because essentially, they will grow the government at a slower pace then most Liberal Democrats.

[(o)./^\.(o)]

Originally Posted by Petey_G

I have never supported the Patriot Act, and I fully agree. The Patriot Act adds to government which lessens our freedoms.

I will continue to support most Republicans though, because essentially, they will grow the government at a slower pace then most Liberal Democrats.

Like you (except opposite) I will continue to vote (by which I mean support, because I can't vote until the next election) for Dems over Repubs simply because I agree more with their stance on social issues. I hope to learn a lot more about economic issues, as those are still pretty sketchy for me, but I believe that a candidate with a liberal leaning on social issues and a conservative leaning on economic ones would be best. While I think Arnie would make a terrible president simply for his demeanor (he would make Bush look like Pierce Brosnan), I agree with a lot of his stances on issues (at least the ones that I've heard about.)

[Derek0783]

Originally Posted by Pump that iron!

I can't believe what I heard on the news today. Jack Layton, leader of the NDP party in Canada (more or less a socialist party) is going to propose a bill that will BAN trans fats.

Now, this is taking the term 'socialist' to a whole different level. If people want to put that into their bodies, even though they HAVE to know it's bad for them because it's been said again and again...by all means, that's their problem and their choice!

It's a bit ridiculous that someone, especially the leader of a national political party would suggest putting restrictions on what people cannot eat.

Apparently, the news story said that in Denmark, this has already been in effect.

I'm for the government stepping in when others don't take moral responsibility or make a stand. But banning trans fats just pisses me the hell off for one reason: I want a world full of fatty desirable foods so the people who don't understand nutrition just keep getting fatter and fatter while the ones who understand nutrition and take health seriously keep on getting leaner, stronger, and better looking. Basically, I don't want any bans on unhealthy foods because then there is more competition. I love people asking me how I stay in such good physical form. I just tell them I work out a little and the rest is just natural...lol.

[Pump that iron!]

Jack Layton said something along the lines that the gov't needs to step in and take of the people, I could be off a bit here because I heard it first 4 hours ago..

Personally, I don't believe it's the right or role of the gov't to have control over something like this.

[EAE]

You guys are such narrow minded fools. If you start letting people have the freedom to do what they want with their own bodies they're going to ask for all kinds of crazy freedoms. Do you really want to live in world where you can just say what you want, even against the government and get away with it? Do you really want to live in world where you can practice any faith, even if it's not the same as the majority's and get away with it? Do you really want to live in world where you are free to protest things you don't agree with, even if the government want's you to agree and get away with it? Do you really want to live in world where soldiers can't just barge into your house, even if it's a nice house and you're sort of a bitch and get away with it? Do you really want to live in world where trials will be open and forced to be both speedy AND impartial, even when it would be easier and more fun to say "Your trial will last for 1 hour, then you will be found guilty" and get away with it? Do you really want to live in world where the government can't beat the crap out of you and then rape your family because you asked for a promotion, even though you knew money was tight and the boss needed an extra 1/2 bathroom and get away with it?

The Canadian government is right to nip this "freedom" thing in the bud. Thankfully the American government has been taking steps toward this goal as well, but for whatever reason each of the two big parties is only willing to go half-assed. Luckily it's a different ass, but even still. If voting wasn't a concept so repugnant to me that I frequently stab people who are on their way to vote, I might vote for a party that was willing to appoach fascism full-assed.

[Brinn]

My reply to the Canadian politics thread:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=107

This is much ado about not a lot.

[Diesel66]

A government large enough to provide everything you need is large enough to take everything you have.

[Derek0783]

Originally Posted by EAE

The Canadian government is right to nip this "freedom" thing in the bud. Thankfully the American government has been taking steps toward this goal as well, but for whatever reason each of the two big parties is only willing to go half-assed. Luckily it's a different ass, but even still. If voting wasn't a concept so repugnant to me that I frequently stab people who are on their way to vote, I might vote for a party that was willing to appoach fascism full-assed.

Half-assed actually works better. Thats why we maintain it this way. We are just trying to find that perfect balance between the two sides...

[Petey_G]

Originally Posted by (o)./^\.(o)

Like you (except opposite) I will continue to vote (by which I mean support, because I can't vote until the next election) for Dems over Repubs simply because I agree more with their stance on social issues. I hope to learn a lot more about economic issues, as those are still pretty sketchy for me, but I believe that a candidate with a liberal leaning on social issues and a conservative leaning on economic ones would be best. While I think Arnie would make a terrible president simply for his demeanor (he would make Bush look like Pierce Brosnan), I agree with a lot of his stances on issues (at least the ones that I've heard about.)

I would vote for that canditate as long as he doesnt ramp up social services.

There should always be SOME social services, but after a point (US has passed this point) motivation for work decreases.

But on the socially liberal side, I could really give 2 ****s if someone wants to smoke weed or kill a baby ()...

[M_D]

Originally Posted by Pump that iron!

I can't believe what I heard on the news today. Jack Layton, leader of the NDP party in Canada (more or less a socialist party) is going to propose a bill that will BAN trans fats.

Now, this is taking the term 'socialist' to a whole different level. If people want to put that into their bodies, even though they HAVE to know it's bad for them because it's been said again and again...by all means, that's their problem and their choice!

It's a bit ridiculous that someone, especially the leader of a national political party would suggest putting restrictions on what people cannot eat.

Apparently, the news story said that in Denmark, this has already been in effect.

Let's think about this rationally, and logically.

1.Canadians are taxed heavily in order to provide for our health care system.

2.Our health care system is in a dire situation. Our health care services are being streched thin.

3.It is a known fact that obesity itself is related to many, many other medical complications, diseases, and illnesses.

4.Trans Fats plays a key role in coronary heart disease, obesity etc.. There are absolutely NO health benefits from trans fats.

Now considering all of this, isn't it AT LEAST logical to control our consumption of trans fat? Or even ban it all together? Wouldn't this entail a healthier Canadian population, which in turn, would relieve pressure off of our health care system? It ludicris to assume that Canadians should have a free for all, then have the government health care bail them out? If you want a free for all, than the government shouldn't be providing you with health care to begin with.

[Ulyanov]

Originally Posted by M_D

Let's think about this rationally, and logically.

1.Canadians are taxed heavily in order to provide for our health care system.

2.Our health care system is in a dire situation. Our health care services are being streched thin.

3.It is a known fact that obesity itself is related to many, many other medical complications, diseases, and illnesses.

4.Trans Fats plays a key role in coronary heart disease, obesity etc.. There are absolutely NO health benefits from trans fats.

Now considering all of this, isn't it AT LEAST logical to control our consumption of trans fat? Or even ban it all together? Wouldn't this entail a healthier Canadian population, which in turn, would relieve pressure off of our health care system? It ludicris to assume that Canadians should have a free for all, then have the government health care bail them out? If you want a free for all, than the government shouldn't be providing you with health care to begin with.

It is a good idea to control our level of trans fats. It's another thing entirely to control somebody else's. If the government wants to pay for our health care (which I'm also against, but that's another argument altogether), then they have to accept that not everyone is going to take care of themselves. What are we going to do, ban everything that's bad for us?

[rkt]

Please ban mcdonalds and kfc's instead

[atticus_a]

Before you guys freakout about it, they have already been eliminating trans fats from the majority of foods. The odds that you will lose anything that you eat is slim to none. It is the companies that deciding this.

The government already decides what you put into your body. Laws against drugs. Regulation of foods and medications. These are government decisions about what a healthy and right to consume. As ridiculous as the majority of them are, I wouldn't be too fired up.

It is like the government taking away things that cause cancer. How is that really hurting anyone.

I would prefer like do it in the United States and tax it. They have twinky taxes and the like so the government gets more money to pay for health care from people buying those self destructive items. Let them keep the burden for future expenses.

Oreo is developing Trans fat free Oreo's
the majority of potato chips are becoming trans free.

[M_D]

Originally Posted by Ulyanov

What are we going to do, ban everything that's bad for us?

If the gov't is paying for your healthcare, why not?

It would be stupid of the gov't not to.

If we understand the antecedent causes of a negative effect, why wouldn't we do all we can to stop or control that antecedent cause(s)?

[temporary]

I really think the governemt should take some initiative health wise. Banning something simply won't work.

Taxes should be dropped on fresh produce, health food, gym memberships etc. And be raised on anything like madonalds, pop, etc.

Make it cheaper for people who can't afford to eat healthy, and encourgae to people to eat better by saving money.

This would also reduce costs in health care.

But you are corrent, banning something doesn't work, Look at pot.


Also, If trans fats are that bad for you, they should be forced to carry a warning label like smokes.

[Ulyanov]

Originally Posted by M_D

If the gov't is paying for your healthcare, why not?

It would be stupid of the gov't not to.

If we understand the antecedent causes of a negative effect, why wouldn't we do all we can to stop or control that antecedent cause(s)?

Because it limits freedom. Government is there to protect freedom, not limit it.

[TDW586]

I just don't get it. Why would a person WANT to be controlled by the government? How the **** can you NOT you have a problem with this?


Jesus ****ing Christ.

IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S BUISNESS!!

[Petey_G]

Originally Posted by TDW586

I just don't get it. Why would a person WANT to be controlled by the government? How the **** can you NOT you have a problem with this?


Jesus ****ing Christ.

IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S BUISNESS!!

Preach on Brother!

[M_D]

Originally Posted by Ulyanov

Because it limits freedom. Government is there to protect freedom, not limit it.

So I guess the Criminal Code doesn't limit our freedom?

[Ulyanov]

Originally Posted by M_D

So I guess the Criminal Code doesn't limit our freedom?

Assuming you're only referring to just laws, like those against violence, property damage and the like, no it doesn't, it protects our freedom from those who would hurt it. Nobody should have the "freedom" to hurt others.

[M_D]

Originally Posted by Ulyanov

Assuming you're only referring to just laws, like those against violence, property damage and the like, no it doesn't, it protects our freedom from those who would hurt it. Nobody should have the "freedom" to hurt others.

People stuffing their faces full of trans fat cookies hurts me.

While they enjoy their freedom, I (along with the rest of society) has to pay for their medical costs when they need heart surgery.

If I wasn't paying for their healthcare, then I wouldn't give a ****, plain and simple.

[Debaser]

Originally Posted by Petey_G

You have to admitt thou, that is pretty '84ish there...People need to realize, the bigger the government the more it plays a role in what your allowed to do on a daily basis...

Bigger Government=Less Freedoms

It's funny how you talk about personal freedoms when this administration has impeded people's rights regarding abortion, patriot act, assissted suicide law in Oregon, pornography, gay marriages, minor drug usage, etc. Doesn't seem like the small government that I know of.

Granted, Dems have too many social programs. But at least they don't claim to be small gov't and do the opposite. Republicans are all about smal gov't and they're not showing it very well.

[Ulyanov]

Originally Posted by M_D

People stuffing their faces full of trans fat cookies hurts me.

While they enjoy their freedom, I (along with the rest of society) has to pay for their medical costs when they need heart surgery.

If I wasn't paying for their healthcare, then I wouldn't give a ****, plain and simple.

They're not the ones hurting you by eating cookies, the government is the one hurting you by making you pay for it. Two wrongs don't make a right, and giving government power to make up for giving the government power beforehand doesn't make a right either.