safest pro-hormone?

[PiPsEt]

hey guys im turning 18 in january and before the ban i wanna buy some pro-hormones so i can at least try them before they are banned, which ones will help with strength, lean mass, and will not make me grow tits or shrink my balls? thanks

[sicosico]

Originally Posted by PiPsEt

hey guys im turning 18 in january and before the ban i wanna buy some pro-hormones so i can at least try them before they are banned, which ones will help with strength, lean mass, and will not make me grow tits or shrink my balls? thanks

ypu should not use them untill you are 22 at least , and been training for 4 years or more and hit a plateu

[bigpump23]

A) your post shows your not ready for PH's B) the safest is gonna be 1-ad

[R_N_S]

1-AD? how bout 19-Nor......

[bigpump23]

Originally Posted by rippednshredded

1-AD? how bout 19-Nor......

can convert to estrogen

[thebrakes]

Originally Posted by bigpump23

can convert to estrogen

<a href="http://www.physicalenhancement.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=680&osCsid=046b038190 e1d85b25aeff13836f7d90">this says otherwise</a>

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<a href="http://bodybuildingsupplementguide.com/prohormones/19-norandrostenediol.html">this also disagrees</a>

[HammyAbeer]

1-4ad, m4ohn, 4ad

[NonCon]

Originally Posted by thebrakes

<a href="http://www.physicalenhancement.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=680&osCsid=046b038190 e1d85b25aeff13836f7d90">this says otherwise</a>

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<a href="http://bodybuildingsupplementguide.com/prohormones/19-norandrostenediol.html">this also disagrees</a>

Stop believing the hype fed to you by supplement companies.

Everytime a new pro-hormone came out it came with the promise that it didn't convert to estrogen. Yet every one of them did. Every one. There is not a single non supressive pro-hormone. That's why I like using Unleashed because it just raises free testosterone without adding additional hormones that f*ck up your HPTA.

Of course, they'll be those who defend PH's. These are usually the teenagers with one years training under their belts who think they're bio chemistry wizards because they're well read on the psuedo science that appears on websites. Bottom line, if PH's worked so well why don't the people who sell them have amazing physiques? They have access to as much as possible. Meanwhile, most of them look like scrawny geeks -- except for those who use real steroids.

[thebrakes]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Stop believing the hype fed to you by supplement companies.

Everytime a new pro-hormone came out it came with the promise that it didn't convert to estrogen. Yet every one of them did. Every one. There is not a single non supressive pro-hormone. That's why I like using Unleashed because it just raises free testosterone without adding additional hormones that f*ck up your HPTA.

Of course, they'll be those who defend PH's. These are usually the teenagers with one years training under their belts who think they're bio chemistry wizards because they're well read on the psuedo science that appears on websites. Bottom line, if PH's worked so well why don't the people who sell them have amazing physiques? They have access to as much as possible. Meanwhile, most of them look like scrawny geeks -- except for those who use real steroids.

1) i didnt say *I* disagreed, just that there is literature in existence that says otherwise.

2) plenty of very large and very strong people i know (hey, including myself) will defend PH use, and it's because of RESULTS. there is no other barometer of efficacy.

3) what do the physiques of people who *SELL* PH have to do with their usefulness?

[NonCon]

Originally Posted by thebrakes

1) i didnt say *I* disagreed, just that there is literature in existence that says otherwise.

2) plenty of very large and very strong people i know (hey, including myself) will defend PH use, and it's because of RESULTS. there is no other barometer of efficacy.

3) what do the physiques of people who *SELL* PH have to do with their usefulness?

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1) So essentially you're just posting an advertisment with information you don't necessarily agree with. Why bother?

2) You get large from training and eating and everyone I've ever know who had results with PH's increased both. True, there is also a lot of water retention (from excess estrogen) which adds to size, weight and even strength gain, but it's short lived -- except for leaving you with a supressed HPTA. And that is ALWAYS the case.

3) What do the physiques of people who SELL Ph have to do with their usefulness? PLENTY. Every steroid dealer I ever knew who used gear was HUGE -- because he got the stuff cheaply and had access to it constantly. So why isn't that the case for people who have all the PH's they want at their disposal?

[thebrakes]

Originally Posted by NonCon

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1) So essentially you're just posting an advertisment with information you don't necessarily agree with. Why bother?

2) You get large from training and eating and everyone I've ever know who had results with PH's increased both. True, there is also a lot of water retention (from excess estrogen) which adds to size, weight and even strength gain, but it's short lived -- except for leaving you with a supressed HPTA. And that is ALWAYS the case.

3) What do the physiques of people who SELL Ph have to do with their usefulness? PLENTY. Every steroid dealer I ever knew who used gear was HUGE -- because he got the stuff cheaply and had access to it constantly. So why isn't that the case for people who have all the PH's they want at their disposal?

1) this is a FORUM, where we share information. i am merely demonstrating the possibility that estrogenic sides are not as large a factor as the original poster claimed (i happen to also have experience with nordiol, and so do a number of others i associate with ; sides are generally very minimal as compared to virtually every other worthwhile PH. gains are also not often remarkable in comparison)

2) i am not sure which substance you are arguing for in this point - AS or PH? bottom line is PH increases exogenous test (or some form of it) in a very similar manner as AS. as for suppression, that's one of the reasons i am currently sticking with PH - the degree to which my endo test is supressed is smaller, requiring less PCT and reduced chances for long-term HPTA problems. (i'm excluding 1-test from this comment, as i understand it is rather suppressive and i have yet to do adequate research on it to confirm one way or the other)

3) i dont know personally anyone who has all the PH they want at their disposal, so i cant weigh in on that - nobody is refuting that AS promotes muscularity, but you seem to claim that PH's dont. that's simply not the case. countless members of this board will attest to the contrary.

look - my sig reflects my most recent cycle. the scale doesnt lie (when the belt hole doesnt move) and my diet has only increased incrementally during my cycle.

defense of the legal use of PH failed. my defense of the effectiveness of them doesn't.

does anyone else want to weigh in who has actually USED PH properly?

[Havok]

Gentlemen, I think your getting a little off track here. To answer the OP, your too young for PH's. Try some creatine instead.