My situation, ideas welcome.

[FireSpirit]

Ill be honest, I hate post cycle. I have really bad anxiety, and I get really depressed post cycle. Even my meds cant control how I feel during PCT.

I recently did a 12 week cycle (ended october1)of
750mg test
750mg eq (I think this is what got to me)

PCT
100mg clomid :week 1&2 but had to stop because I was getting too emotional) but will continue with nolva @20mg a day for at least another month.

I was up to about 235, and down to 228 now. My eating has been constant, but has falled off a little. My biggest thing is my anxiety, which was up to a horrible level, but is now getting better day by day. I havent been able to get back to working out, but im not concerned about that as im sure in a few days/weeks ill be fine.

Im thinking about what I should do for the future. Im not looking for massive gains over the short period. Id rather do a long ass cycle at a low dose, but just enough to maintain steady gains over the next few years. Obviously, I dont want to take something to the point that it shuts me down permanently, so im not sure what the best option would be.

Im thinking of either test @ 400 or 500mg
or dbol (which ive never tried) @ 20mg on workout days (split 10mg before workout and 10mg after)

I guess another option would be short dbol cycles of maybe 3 weeks on 3 weeks off, with nolva in between. Im not sure how the fluctuation in hormone levels would treat me though, as during the cycle I tend to be comfortable, but after is when the anxiety/depression hits bad.

My stats btw : 21 years old. 2 cycles behind me. 230lbs around 10% (all abs are visable, as are striations in delts) I eat 450+ grams of protein a day, with healthy fats and about 350g of carbs from brown rice, whole wheat bread, potatoes.

Thanks to anyone who contributes.

[PHit41]

Originally Posted by FireSpirit

Ill be honest, I hate post cycle. I have really bad anxiety, and I get really depressed post cycle. Even my meds cant control how I feel during PCT.

I recently did a 12 week cycle (ended october1)of
750mg test
750mg eq (I think this is what got to me)

PCT
100mg clomid :week 1&2 but had to stop because I was getting too emotional) but will continue with nolva @20mg a day for at least another month.

I was up to about 235, and down to 228 now. My eating has been constant, but has falled off a little. My biggest thing is my anxiety, which was up to a horrible level, but is now getting better day by day. I havent been able to get back to working out, but im not concerned about that as im sure in a few days/weeks ill be fine.

Im thinking about what I should do for the future. Im not looking for massive gains over the short period. Id rather do a long ass cycle at a low dose, but just enough to maintain steady gains over the next few years. Obviously, I dont want to take something to the point that it shuts me down permanently, so im not sure what the best option would be.

Im thinking of either test @ 400 or 500mg
or dbol (which ive never tried) @ 20mg on workout days (split 10mg before workout and 10mg after)

I guess another option would be short dbol cycles of maybe 3 weeks on 3 weeks off, with nolva in between. Im not sure how the fluctuation in hormone levels would treat me though, as during the cycle I tend to be comfortable, but after is when the anxiety/depression hits bad.

My stats btw : 21 years old. 2 cycles behind me. 230lbs around 10% (all abs are visable, as are striations in delts) I eat 450+ grams of protein a day, with healthy fats and about 350g of carbs from brown rice, whole wheat bread, potatoes.

Thanks to anyone who contributes.

best bet for long cycles is to do test at low levels i would say if you are experienced keep em at 20 weeks then maybe even go as long as six months on then a good break. Dbol is a bad idea alone for long cycles

[FullyBuilt]

I'd run HCG at 5000iu's every 8weeks. Do like 1000iu's every other day for 10days at every 8week mark of your cycle.

[FireSpirit]

Originally Posted by FullyBuilt

I'd run HCG at 5000iu's every 8weeks. Do like 1000iu's every other day for 10days at every 8week mark of your cycle.

Yeah, I forgot to ask about that. Thanks a lot!

[bignbuff88]

is hcg a controlled substance?

[chan_ho_nam]

I think its prescription like Nolva.

[RetiredMod]

i am pretty positive HCG is controlled.

I would really recommend dealing with the anxiety though before doing anymore cycles bro. You said your meds didnt even help you so I assume you are on anti-anxiety or some sort of meds to deal with depression. I do not think using juice while dealing with these problems is a good idea. I would recommend trying to work through the anxiety/depression and later on consider using gear. I do not think a long cycle is a good answer.

[FireSpirit]

Yes, ive been on 40mg of paxil for almost three years. Ive tried to taper off, but even at 30mg my anxiety came back pretty bad.

During my cycles, I didnt really notice much in terms of anxiety. The first week or so can be kinda brutal, but ive learned to just think of the big picture. After the first week everything is fine until the 2nd week of PCT.

Thats why I wanted to do a low dose of something, especially test because it seems people are more relaxed.

I ended up going to the gym tonight to do legs as I seem to lose size there first.

[SwolenPimp]

Originally Posted by McBain

i am pretty positive HCG is controlled.

I would really recommend dealing with the anxiety though before doing anymore cycles bro. You said your meds didnt even help you so I assume you are on anti-anxiety or some sort of meds to deal with depression. I do not think using juice while dealing with these problems is a good idea. I would recommend trying to work through the anxiety/depression and later on consider using gear. I do not think a long cycle is a good answer.

Amen - Good luck bro.

[peregrine]

Originally Posted by McBain

I would really recommend dealing with the anxiety though before doing anymore cycles bro. You said your meds didnt even help you so I assume you are on anti-anxiety or some sort of meds to deal with depression. I do not think using juice while dealing with these problems is a good idea. I would recommend trying to work through the anxiety/depression and later on consider using gear. I do not think a long cycle is a good answer.

wouldn't some supps like piracetm help with anxiety? also learning your triggers and dealing with them to blunt their effect may help.

also short cycles could be an option as shut down is not as long.
good luck bro.

[WOT]

Originally Posted by FireSpirit

Yes, ive been on 40mg of paxil for almost three years. Ive tried to taper off, but even at 30mg my anxiety came back pretty bad.

During my cycles, I didnt really notice much in terms of anxiety. The first week or so can be kinda brutal, but ive learned to just think of the big picture.

I ended up going to the gym tonight to do legs as I seem to lose size there first.

Dude,

Are you sure you've been correctly diagnosed and treated ?

I was on all kinds of meds from a young age for depression and anxiety , a while back i decided to go back and see a specialist who prescribed mood stabilisers ( Eppilem - actually for Eppilepsy, but works the same way as Lithium ) ...

I can't believe the difference it made to my mood levels and anxiety , I had a little anxiety while on cycle , but nothing intolerable.

Just my 2cents.

WOT

[FireSpirit]

I thought about doing short cycles too, but im not sure if Id like the ups and downs associated with changes in hormonal levels, especially if I had to front load something. Thats why id rather be on at a steady dose over the long term. I mean, if short cycles seemed to be the way to go, I would definetly give them a try. But in my experience the first week is pretty bad, so id rather not go through that every few months.


And ive talked to my doctor about tapering off paxil, but im really not sure its something I want to do. If I even forget to take my medicine for 1 night ill get really bad brain zaps and that prevents me from doing pretty much anything.

This morning I felt fine in terms of anxiety. I have GAD, so im usually a bit nervous about everything, but its not so bad now compared to what it use to be.

[chan_ho_nam]

Try some St.Johns Wort, I know that helps a lot of people to take the edge off, me included.

[erlend]

Originally Posted by FireSpirit

I havent been able to get back to working out, but im not concerned about that as im sure in a few days/weeks ill be fine.

In my opinion, staying out of the gym isnt going to help you. When you lift for a while, and even get into AAS, you are pretty into working out. If you skip a workout, it gives at least one bad day. Skip more, and you have a bad mood coming. The faster weightloss from not working out on PCT isnt going to help your mental health, either.
Get your ass back to the gym, and do some heavy lifting. Mood will be better afterwards.

[FireSpirit]

Yeah, I actually went to the gym after I wrote my initial post. I did legs, and even though my strength wasnt there, I still had a great time.


On another note, I think im going to do two short cycles starting Jan 1st or a little later. If I respond well to those, ill continue doing them. Maybe like 3 weeks on 4 weeks off. If I find my anxiety gets to me doing those, im either going to stop AAS completely, or go on a long cycle.

[peregrine]

good luck

i think if you are on 3 wks you might want to go 6wks off.

[bobcat]

I had been on Paxil before and tapering is a BITCH!!! This is due to Paxil's very short half-life. I just went off cold turkey last year and I got everything from flu-like symptoms to loss of appetite, to anxiety, brain zaps, nightmares....Be a man and ride it through...PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT WORK OUT WHILE DOING THIS!!!
And once you are completely back into functioning, get some Prozac or Lexapro instead of Paxil....Paxil SUCKS!!!!

[FireSpirit]

Yeah, Id like to switch meds eventually, but its just a matter of finding a time in my life where I can pretty much have a month to do nothing but sit around feeling like **** all day.

I have heard good stuff about lexapro though.

[peregrine]

did you try most of the otc nootropics? piracetm and aniracetm have good reviews. i don't know if this could help, depending on the situation.

[bobcat]

Originally Posted by FireSpirit

Yeah, Id like to switch meds eventually, but its just a matter of finding a time in my life where I can pretty much have a month to do nothing but sit around feeling like **** all day.

I have heard good stuff about lexapro though.

Yeah bro, I feel you. Its tough... You will be fine..Just know that this is NOT life threatening...its merely a change in mood...hang in there.

[guym]

Originally Posted by chan_ho_nam

Try some St.Johns Wort, I know that helps a lot of people to take the edge off, me included.

This is a big no-no if on SSRI's.

(I won't neg rep you, chan )