Hi,this is for experts on protein knowledge
wpi(hydrolyzed whey protein high grade)
ast brand uses this kind thats why its soo effective.
www.trueportein .com sells wpi(high grade but without a sweetner)
just pure protein.i would have to add a sweetner.its cheaper than buying ast every month
and if anyone told you all proteins are created equal ...then they must have no knowledge og protein
once you start using better protein youll start seeing better results
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10-27-2004, 08:50 PM #1
wpi high grade hydrolyzed protein
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10-28-2004, 05:55 AM #2
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Give me a break, hydrolyzed protein is basically pre-digested. There isn't much protein left, its basically amino acids and some small peptides. The only reason they still call it whey is because it contains the same amino acids. hydrolysation of proteins means the breaking of peptide bonds. That means it has no secundary or tertiary structure to begin with, and on top of that most of its primary structure is degraded as well.
If you consider how fast whey protein is digested and hits the blood, then its basically insane to pay more for something that will be in and out of your body even faster, leading to even greater loss of unused amino acids. Unless of course you were planning on taking 2 grams every 30 minutes ...
That such bull**** is still proclaimed, let alone still believed in a time when people are finally starting to recognize that a whey is NOT the pinnacle of protein is frankly disconcerting to say the least.
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10-28-2004, 01:02 PM #3That such bull**** is still proclaimed, let alone still believed in a time when people are finally starting to recognize that a whey is NOT the pinnacle of protein is frankly disconcerting to say the least.~ BMBc ~ Ballin' since the start.....
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10-29-2004, 07:37 PM #4
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Originally Posted by Cosmonaut
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11-02-2004, 12:34 PM #5
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11-06-2004, 08:52 PM #6
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11-06-2004, 09:27 PM #7
wpi hydrolyzed high grade does have more beneftis than your ordinary isolate/concentrate etc... as a matter a fact it is one of the best protein you can have. when protein is hydrolyzed it is split up into smaller chain peptides and amino acids, and that makes it more biologically accessible to the user. it's the most digestible type of protein, and most of it is absorbed through the small intestine, making it that much better...
true protein, offers the best quality of proteins, and this is one they reccommend to all who use whey as a protein source in their diet, not to mention the best prices around.Train
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11-06-2004, 11:06 PM #8
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11-10-2004, 04:48 PM #9
I must say I'm no expert but the impression I've been given from a multitude of more experienced lifters and more knowledgeable people is that hydrolyzed whey protein is digested faster and therefore gets more amino acids into your bloodstream after you workout and is often mixed with another type of whey protein to have a sort of short term time release effect. I never really learned the science behind it but it seemed logical to me in the way that it was explained because with the different varieties you were keeping your body topped off so to speak until your postworkout meal where you would consume a whole food meal to stabilize your amino acid pools until your next meal time.
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11-11-2004, 08:21 AM #10Originally Posted by smeton_yea
the only advantage i would expect is that this is quicker digesting than other wheys. the amino acid compostion should be exactly the same
other quality forms of whey are already very quickly digested and absorbed. So would pre-digesting it by enzymatic hydrolysis really translate into greater efficacy? I can't really imagine it would. I would like to see more research on this (your link does not work)
Also, quicker digesting does not make a protein superior per se. In fact, most of the time you are better off with a slow digesting protein. The exceptions are times when you want to acheive high amino acid concentrations in the blood quickly - like pre or post training
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11-11-2004, 08:26 AM #11Originally Posted by JnJ23
the point is though that your digestive system can do this job on other undigested quality wheys (such as WPI) very quickly anyway. so the difference in digestion/absorption should be pretty insignificant
you must have some evidence to show benefit of this
is it less allergenic than whole whey? that might be a plus
just saying "its the best" means nothing
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11-11-2004, 09:32 AM #12
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11-12-2004, 02:06 AM #13
IWP vs. WPI
Okay fellas, I'm a newbie here. So, if this question sounds so god-awfully stupid, please go easy on me! I am trying to learn something here and I feel like like an idiot who has stumbled into a room full of geniuses. Having said that, what is the difference, if any, between Ionic Whey Protein and Whey Protein Isolate? Are they indeed the same thing? In all of the reading I have done on this subject so far, there seems to be universal agreement that the Isolate version is the absolute best Whey Protein that you can buy. I have also read that the pros are taking a second look at Casein Whey because it is digested at a slower rate and therefore stays in the system longer. Would someone please take a moment to explain this to me? Thanks for your time.
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11-12-2004, 03:35 AM #14
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11-12-2004, 03:40 AM #15Originally Posted by BOMARKSF
Ion exchange whey protein is the most soluble whey protein (dissolves the quickest). However, in the process of making it some of the valuable protein species of the whey are lost and the product ends up being enriched in the least valuable (and most allergenic) protein - beta-lactoglobulin
whey protein isolate (made through membrane ultra filtration) OTOH retains all the original fractions present of the raw whey itself and in the right proportions. the processing only filters out the carbs and the fat. It is the least disruptive whey processing available
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11-12-2004, 09:19 AM #16
Thanks Patrick!
Thanks for your answer Patrick. It's much clearer to me now. You know, given the importance of Whey Isolate, you would think that BB.com would have a search mechanism in place that would sort and list all of the Isolates as a separate category. Unless I've missed something, you can't find them all that way. I have had to go through the volumes of products available and jot down the Isolates. Hope their webmaster reads this! Thanks again.
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11-12-2004, 10:47 AM #17
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11-12-2004, 04:47 PM #18
Wpi ,and hydrolyed high grade protein are better than most companys.When i took nitro tech i gained bigtime.I know theres alot of muscletech bashers out there but in all honesty nitrotech worked for me(i dont know what type of protein nitrotech has,but im assuming by there price is high grade protein)
when i started taking ast's vp2 protein i gained.Im still taking it ,buts its too expensive for my budget. Im just going to buy in bulk at www.***********.com
,see if that link works patrick,patrick goodjob on your body from what saw in a flex magazine.Email One of the ast guys they will give you a link on TESTEDRESEARCH if your a non-beliver in high grade protein.Since your such a scientist i want to see you do studies.Btw your gabatropin looks intresting...tell me hows it cross the blood brain barrier?
ive been taking regular gaba for about a year
Not to sidetrack anyone..keep on with the thread..just some questions for patrick
the website is *********** dot comLast edited by smeton_yea; 11-12-2004 at 04:54 PM.
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11-13-2004, 07:19 AM #22
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Originally Posted by smeton_yea
I do research protein, but protein is a big field. The last protein (well peptide) I researched was GLP-I, because I consider it a prime target for treatment of obesity. We are currently in the midst of looking for more stable analogues of this peptide for pharmaceutical delivery.
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11-13-2004, 07:22 AM #23
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11-13-2004, 09:49 AM #25
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11-13-2004, 10:11 AM #28
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11-13-2004, 10:15 AM #29Originally Posted by smeton_yea
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11-13-2004, 01:52 PM #30
If i Drink(ill pick a brand i drink now) Dymatize Elite(butter cream toffee mix) ; It'll sit in my stomach,and ill have to keep still or ill get an upset stomach.
On the other hand,if i take ast's vp2 ,im fine.
Im a student and im on the run in the morning,so i take vp2 in the mornings on schooldays.
Point is vp2 doesnt just sit there.vp2 is better
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