Your thoughts on Crossfit for strength/lean mass gains?

[shivastorm]

Assuming I'd drop bodybuilding and stop working out to switch for Crossfit (I don't plan on doing it, I'm curious) what would be the impact on my strength and lean mass gains? Would I lose strength/lean mass? win some? maintain?

http://www.crossfit.com/

[jkd_stefan]

Not many people here have actualy done crossfit (at least for a long time) enough to answer this correctly. You should post that on the crossfit forum

1.6. Will I/can I get big doing CrossFit?

If you train the WODs hard, and eat right and get lots of sleep, you will definitely gain lean mass, lose fat, and yes, you can build muscle mass with the crossfit protocol. More specifically, according to Coach,
Here is a hierarchy of training for mass from greater to lesser efficacy:
1. Bodybuilding on steroids
2. CrossFitting on steroids
3. CrossFitting without steroids
4. Bodybuilding without steroids
The bodybuilding model is designed around, requires, steroids for significant hypertrophy.
The neuroendocrine response of bodybuilding protocols is so blunted that without "exogenous hormonal therapy" little happens.
The CrossFit protocol is designed to elicit a substantial neuroendocrine whollop and hence packs an anabolic punch that puts on impressive amounts of muscle though that is not our concern. Strength is.
Natural bodybuilders (the natural ones that are not on steroids) never approach the mass that our ahtletes do. They don't come close.
Those athletes who train for function end up with better form than those who value form over function. This is one of the beautiful ironies of training.

From crossfit's FAQ

[shivastorm]

anyone else?

[Beowolf Agate]

Originally Posted by jkd_stefan

Not many people here have actualy done crossfit (at least for a long time) enough to answer this correctly. You should post that on the crossfit forum

1.6. Will I/can I get big doing CrossFit?

If you train the WODs hard, and eat right and get lots of sleep, you will definitely gain lean mass, lose fat, and yes, you can build muscle mass with the crossfit protocol. More specifically, according to Coach,
Here is a hierarchy of training for mass from greater to lesser efficacy:
1. Bodybuilding on steroids
2. CrossFitting on steroids
3. CrossFitting without steroids
4. Bodybuilding without steroids
The bodybuilding model is designed around, requires, steroids for significant hypertrophy.
The neuroendocrine response of bodybuilding protocols is so blunted that without "exogenous hormonal therapy" little happens.
The CrossFit protocol is designed to elicit a substantial neuroendocrine whollop and hence packs an anabolic punch that puts on impressive amounts of muscle though that is not our concern. Strength is.
Natural bodybuilders (the natural ones that are not on steroids) never approach the mass that our ahtletes do. They don't come close.
Those athletes who train for function end up with better form than those who value form over function. This is one of the beautiful ironies of training.

From crossfit's FAQ

1. Bodybuilding w/Anabolic Support
2. Everything Else w/anabolic Support
3. Full Body Workouts/Upper Lower Split (T-nation style)
4. Cross Fit
5. Everything Else (usually involving pink rubber dumbbells)


Cross Fit is mostly a bunch of pansy ass workouts that do little but raise your muscular endurance and tailor themselves towards the working housewife who wants to tone up. HOWEVER, some of their stuff is very good. It's just that it's surrounded by pussified crappola that's the problem. It's kind of like Men's Health in that way.

[jkd_stefan]

Originally Posted by Beowolf Agate

1. Bodybuilding w/Anabolic Support
2. Everything Else w/anabolic Support
3. Full Body Workouts/Upper Lower Split (T-nation style)
4. Cross Fit
5. Everything Else (usually involving pink rubber dumbbells)


Cross Fit is mostly a bunch of pansy ass workouts that do little but raise your muscular endurance and tailor themselves towards the working housewife who wants to tone up. HOWEVER, some of their stuff is very good. It's just that it's surrounded by pussified crappola that's the problem. It's kind of like Men's Health in that way.

wow , youre full of crap, get your facts straight, i bet you wouldnt even be able to finish a single WOD. this is no mens health BS or any kind. Crossfit is known as the best training there is. People from the special forces do it, people from UFC do it, firefighters, policemen, atlhetes. And did I mention Mark Rippetoe is a Crossfit Coach?

Stfu before saying ignorant crap.

[stefanaustralia]

Originally Posted by jkd_stefan

wow , youre full of crap, get your facts straight, i bet you wouldnt even be able to finish a single WOD. this is no mens health BS or any kind. Crossfit is known as the best training there is. People from the special forces do it, people from UFC do it, firefighters, policemen, atlhetes. And did I mention Mark Rippetoe is a Crossfit Coach?

Stfu before saying ignorant crap.

dood...maybe all those ppl u listed arent trying to get big BBer style??

LOL ufc fighter...firefighters...they really train for size....

i agree best way to get big naturally is full body/ upper lower split

[jkd_stefan]

If you want to get big BBer style like ronnie, do a BB style workout and take roids. If you're goal is to go naturally, and get fit overall (strenght, flexibility, balanced, mentally, endurance) and want to get muscle, go crossfit. Check out their members, theyre all in better shape than most of us. Read also about their philosophy on training, its no BS stuff. no isolation exercise crap. get real


Do what ever you want and believe what ever you want tho, im just here to defend crossfit against that idiot that claimed it was for pansies. Crossfit is all about intensity. You don't know if youre in shape until youve done crossfit.

[stefanaustralia]

Originally Posted by jkd_stefan

If you want to get big BBer style like ronnie, do a BB style workout and take roids. If you're goal is to go naturally, and get fit overall (strenght, flexibility, balanced, mentally, endurance) and want to get muscle, go crossfit. Check out their members, theyre all in better shape than most of us. Read also about their philosophy on training, its no BS stuff. no isolation exercise crap. get real


Do what ever you want and believe what ever you want tho, im just here to defend crossfit against that idiot that claimed it was for pansies. Crossfit is all about intensity. You don't know if youre in shape until youve done crossfit.

training full body/ or upper lower split IS compound exersizes. and it works ****loads better than crossfit... and more ppl have gotten big using fullbody/ upper lower than crossfit

[jkd_stefan]

Originally Posted by stefanaustralia

training full body/ or upper lower split IS compound exersizes. and it works ****loads better than crossfit... and more ppl have gotten big using fullbody/ upper lower than crossfit

stop pulling your arguments out of your butt. Go to their website and you'll see videos of people doing crossfit under each work out of the day, theyre all big and lean (no homo). You don't know enough about crossfit for saying stuff like that. I bet you wouldnt even be able to do one muscle-up. No offense btw, just please inform yourselves.

edit: im not trying to make a battle between bb routines and corssfit. just defending crossfit, it is a proven training.

[stefanaustralia]

Originally Posted by jkd_stefan

stop pulling your arguments out of your butt. Go to their website and you'll see videos of people doing crossfit under each work out of the day, theyre all big and lean (no homo). You don't know enough about crossfit for saying stuff like that. I bet you wouldnt even be able to do one muscle-up. No offense btw, just please inform yourselves.

ur are obviously misinformed. i read about crossfit... they have a homosexual love for dat guy who invented it... and crossfit SUCKS COCK for natural bodybuilding.

i dont konw if i can do a muscle up...never tried but i bet i could. and btw since when is being able to do a muscle up important for bodybuilding?? its just more of that 'functional' crossfit crap. and btw this is a BODYBUIILDING website

and read the thread title. it says crossfit for STRENGTH and MASS gains

[jkd_stefan]

crossfit is a proven training that can make you reach your bodybuilding goals as well.. btw your arguments all suck, pointless debate.

[stefanaustralia]

Originally Posted by jkd_stefan

crossfit is a proven training that can make you reach your bodybuilding goals as well.. btw your arguments all suck, pointless debate.

i dont need any good arguements against sumoen trying to prove BS like you.
crossfit is for getting fit... it mite work for ppl like firefighters etc...whos goals are to GET FIT. but for bodybuilders intested in SIZE and STRENGTH, crossfit is trash

[T_MaN]

Don't worry jkd_stefan is canadian

[jkd_stefan]

Originally Posted by stefanaustralia

i dont need any good arguements against sumoen trying to prove BS like you.
crossfit is for getting fit... it mite work for ppl like firefighters etc...whos goals are to GET FIT. but for bodybuilders intested in SIZE and STRENGTH, crossfit is trash

its not just for firefighters. read what i quoted earlier. it is said if you do things correctly while on crossfit youll get even better results than bodybuilding routines. Naturally of course. If you don't believe then fine, but it is proven. Youll also gain much more good stuff too such as mental endurance, all round atheltic stuff liek swimming, climbing, powerlifting, balance, flexibilty. and since its a diffirent work out every single dya, your body won't adapt to a routine.

[jkd_stefan]

Originally Posted by T_MaN

Don't worry jkd_stefan is canadian

Canadians rule! but seriously you guys don't know what youre missing. Also if you check last wednesday's Workout video, youll see its no pansy stuff (yes Squat, standing miliotary press, deadlift day) Check if their weak, skinny and small.
link: http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/C...Highlights.wmv

[stefanaustralia]

Originally Posted by jkd_stefan

its not just for firefighters. read what i quoted earlier. it is said if you do things correctly while on crossfit youll get even better results than bodybuilding routines. Naturally of course. If you don't believe then fine, but it is proven. Youll also gain much more good stuff too such as mental endurance, all round atheltic stuff liek swimming, climbing, powerlifting, balance, flexibilty. and since its a diffirent work out every single dya, your body won't adapt to a routine.

ok the crossfit site can claim all kinds of things... but let me ask you this. how many ppl in REAL LIFE are 220 pounds of muscle by using crossfit, and how many ppl in real life are 220 pounds of muscle by using traditional bodybuilding routines/ fullbody routines??

[jkd_stefan]

it all depends on how you eat, on crossfit you can cut, gain muscle, maintain, wtv. its your diet. Theyre alot of 220 lean dudes on crossfit, and they do and finishthe WOD's pretty quickly too. (yes including those 125 pull ups, 30 muscle ups, etc. work outs)

Crossfit is not clamiing any BS, its FREE, its no Bowflex marketting crap. Think mark rippetoe is an idiot?



EDIT: Crossfit will most likely get you into the best shape of your life. (no marketting)

[parkerbro1]

Don't know enough about their actual program to give an honest answer (did love the fighting videos). I say try it for a bit see what it does to you. If you lose size, you can always gain it back (muscle memory and all). I think it might be good for a meso-cycle, especially if you're trying to cut or prep for a fight.
I think for pure size and strength I'd go with a power lifting mesocycle.
Thanks for the post.

[parkerbro1]

Originally Posted by jkd_stefan

Canadians rule! but seriously you guys don't know what youre missing. Also if you check last wednesday's Workout video, youll see its no pansy stuff (yes Squat, standing miliotary press, deadlift day) Check if their weak, skinny and small.
link: http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/C...Highlights.wmv

Okay...saw this after I posted earlier.

That's some dangerous form on the women. The knees knocking together will def cause patella shearing and put strain on the ligaments. Goin that deep is cool IF you can maintain good form, if not there's no point. Goin that deep for me merely works my glutes. If i wanna go deep like that and get a good leg/glute workout I do lunges.
I'm not knockin the routine or any of the other exercises on this program, but if it's similar to what I jus saw there's gonna be a lot of folk nursing cumulative injuries. I used to see this with clients that used to do years of high impact aerobics. They were good for years and then *BAM*, all that stuff caught up. I have injuries like that.

[stefanaustralia]

Originally Posted by jkd_stefan

it all depends on how you eat, on crossfit you can cut, gain muscle, maintain, wtv. its your diet. Theyre alot of 220 lean dudes on crossfit, and they do and finishthe WOD's pretty quickly too. (yes including those 125 pull ups, 30 muscle ups, etc. work outs)

Crossfit is not clamiing any BS, its FREE, its no Bowflex marketting crap. Think mark rippetoe is an idiot?



EDIT: Crossfit will most likely get you into the best shape of your life. (no marketting)

how dare u even compare Ripptoe to crossfit...ripptoes is a proven routine that worked for countless beginners. it doesnt have any unneccassary crap like crossfit.

[jkd_stefan]

Originally Posted by stefanaustralia

how dare u even compare Ripptoe to crossfit...ripptoes is a proven routine that worked for countless beginners. it doesnt have any unneccassary crap like crossfit.

You really have no clue, don't you. Mark rippetoe isn't a program. He's a crossfit coach FYI, yes he did the starting strenght book which has the program (aka rippetoe) that I actualy did and had good gains. STFU, all you say is crossfit is trash and has unecessary crap, you don't know **** about it so don't frigging give false information to people that actualy want some valid info. read all the WOD's read all their FAQS then talk and before you bash anything at least say the reason to back it up.

EDIT:

To the OP and those interested, just post your questions on crossfit's forum. Their community is great and will give you all teh answers you need. Like I said no one here actualy knows what crossfit is.

[lanks]

None of the crossfitters I have seen working out or online look particularly big.

[jkd_stefan]

Originally Posted by lanks

None of the crossfitters I have seen working out or online look particularly big.

Thats because crossfit's sole purpose isnt just about getting big, but those that want to get alot of muscle and stay lean can still do so on crossfit. alot of people just want to be cut and not too big, on this program, they care more about being overall fit, to be able to climb stuff, swim, sprint, fight, etc. better.
If you check Thursdays vid at the end, where they show the guys training, you cna see they aren't skinny. and theyre all friggin strong

[stefanaustralia]

Originally Posted by lanks

None of the crossfitters I have seen working out or online look particularly big.

lol dont worry man the guy supporting crossfit for bodybuilding is clueless and delusional


btw jkd_stefan, I DID Know mark ripptoe is a coach....dats why i was referring to the program which is COMMONLY REFERED to as RIPPTOES, which he created. i think your just making a fool of yourself posting all this crap.

[stefanaustralia]

Originally Posted by jkd_stefan

Thats because crossfit's sole purpose isnt just about getting big, but those that want to get alot of muscle and stay lean can still do so on crossfit. alot of people just want to be cut and not too big, on this program, they care more about being overall fit, to be able to climb stuff, swim, sprint, fight, etc. better.
If you check Thursdays vid at the end, where they show the guys training, you cna see they aren't skinny. and theyre all friggin strong

WELL GUESS WHAT?? learn to ****ing read you retard... thread title says gain Strength and Mass. and as i said b4 this is a ****ing bodybuilding forum.

[jkd_stefan]

Originally Posted by stefanaustralia

WELL GUESS WHAT?? learn to ****ing read you retard... thread title says gain Strength and Mass. and as i said b4 this is a ****ing bodybuilding forum.

Well guess what retard,You need to learn how to read. Read what I just said 3 times already. YOU CAN GAIN SIZE AND STRENGHT ON CROSSFIT. It is even said youll gain more than by doing BB routines.

[shivastorm]

Originally Posted by T_MaN

Don't worry jkd_stefan is canadian

wtf is your problem?

And please stop with this e-fight, I want facts, not to see you guys trash Crossfit like there's no tomorrow

[stefanaustralia]

Originally Posted by shivastorm

wtf is your problem?

And please stop with this e-fight, I want facts, not to see you guys trash Crossfit like there's no tomorrow

the facts are fullbody / upper lower /push pull routines > crossfit for bodybuilding and strength in every single way possible. if you dont believe me i dont really care anymore... go ahead and do crossfit then

[stefanaustralia]

Originally Posted by jkd_stefan

Well guess what retard,You need to learn how to read. Read what I just said 3 times already. YOU CAN GAIN SIZE AND STRENGHT ON CROSSFIT. It is even said youll gain more than by doing BB routines.

you will gain a lil bit.... ****loads less than a PROPER routine meant for gaining mass and strength

[Beowolf Agate]

Originally Posted by jkd_stefan

it all depends on how you eat, on crossfit you can cut, gain muscle, maintain, wtv. its your diet. Theyre alot of 220 lean dudes on crossfit, and they do and finishthe WOD's pretty quickly too. (yes including those 125 pull ups, 30 muscle ups, etc. work outs)

Crossfit is not clamiing any BS, its FREE, its no Bowflex marketting crap. Think mark rippetoe is an idiot?



EDIT: Crossfit will most likely get you into the best shape of your life. (no marketting)

Did I not say cross fit had some geniuses. Cross Fit isn't totally awful, and they have some basic principals down good. But still, the long distance running, and workouts named after girls just drive me away from it. And some of their exercises are just ridiculous.

Everything is marketing.

Mark Rippletoe is no genius. He's had one great beginner program. Hooray. When he puts out 5 popular programs, that people claim to make great gains on, I'll start treating him reverently.