Honest question here...
In Genesis, the first thing God does is look at the Earth , and he sees that its dark. So on the first "day" he says "Let there be light!". He seperates light being the day, and darkness being the night. Now, there is a problem here. The only reason we have "night" on Earth is because the earth rotates and the sun isn't viewable from certain parts of the globe for several hours. But its not until day 4 that God creates the sun. So how did he even have the concept of night and day if the sun wasn't even created yet? Yes, I know hes "all knowing", but the bible clearly states that before the sun was created, there was night and day.
Also, how did he seperate night and day on "days" 1-3 if there was no sun yet? Again, we only have days because of the sun. So how long of a time frame was day 1-3? If you want to use that as an argument for old earth creationism, it really doesn't work. You are asserting that you would know what a day is to God. The bible is using the human concept of day and night to describe how long it took God.
07-01-2007, 03:06 PM #1
How did God create light before he created the sun"If the data is overwhelmingly in favor of evolution, to deny that reality will make us a cult -- some odd group that is not really interacting with the world"- Evangelical Bible scholar Bruce Waltke
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07-01-2007, 03:28 PM #4"If the data is overwhelmingly in favor of evolution, to deny that reality will make us a cult -- some odd group that is not really interacting with the world"- Evangelical Bible scholar Bruce Waltke
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07-01-2007, 04:27 PM #8"If the data is overwhelmingly in favor of evolution, to deny that reality will make us a cult -- some odd group that is not really interacting with the world"- Evangelical Bible scholar Bruce Waltke
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07-01-2007, 09:47 PM #10
Christians, please answer or you are admitting your holy book is severely flawed, which points to the fact that it is not inspired by an all knowing deity, but just man.
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This is confirmed in Gen. when it says:
"and darkness was[a] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters."
So Gods spirit was hovering over this dark place awaiting his moment to intervene.
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07-02-2007, 12:50 AM #19
JAGERBOY you are looking at it the wrong way.
The Bible saying there was evening and morning after each day is used to close that period off and mark the beginning of the next time period. On the first day there is evening and morning... then the second day comes and so on.
Notice at the beginning of Genesis 2 that the seventh day is not closed off with an evening and a morning, this means we are still in God's seventh day of rest from creation. This is also spoken of in other passages in the Bible and is only compatible with an old earth view.
Also on the matter of the creation of the sun, the old earth view holds that the sun was of course created before the earth. Now of course the typical objection would come in that I'm being selective about what to literally believe etc... but this actually makes perfect sense in the hebrew language.
In the passages of Genesis different ancient hebrew words are used to describe certain acts of creation for example the first line says God created the heavens and the earth and here the hebrew verb "bara" is used which literally means to create something brand new that did not exist before.
Another word used in the genesis passages is "hiya" (not sure of spelling) which means to let something be, not that it was created but that it works itself out according to natural laws.
This is used to describe the sun, which in english has been translated as being created, this is a bit of a mis-translation.
Here is an article on the creation sequence if you want to read it,
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For all we know the bible may be referring to god himself producing some sort of illumination before he put the sun there.. who knows really? Like the guy above me said.. you really need to understand the hebrew to get an exact translation. Because english doesn't cut it for some of the finer details.
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07-02-2007, 01:17 AM #23
If you believe in an all eternal all powerful being that was never created, then I don't see why this is any problem whatsoever. The answer is: Because he's God. That's sounds like a silly answer to you, but that's basically the easiest answer, and it's the correct answer. Don't misunderstand, I'm not being smart/rude with you, but I want you for one moment to just consider the question that you asked.
-You are asking how an all powerful Being did something.
-You are asking how this Being created light before he created the sun, even though this very Being that you are referring to is the one who established the laws of our universe in the first place that make it so that the sun generates light.
I think considering those two points above will answer your own question.
Besides, even the ancient prophet that wrote the book of Genesis would know that the sun generates light. You don't have to be a 21st century astrologer to look up into the sky and see that the sun produces light. When you stare at it, it hurts your eyes, and when it sets, it becomes a lot darker, when it rises, it becomes a lot lighter. It's pretty self-evident to anybody that the sun produces light. So of course the person that wrote this knew that the sun generates light; but even so, they recorded it such as it is. Before the sun, there was light. This can be taken both literally and spiritually simultaneously.
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I am revising cosmology so this probably explains why I keep posting in physics type topics.
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Ill look at the link later.
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