How useful is extra testosterone?

[cmaracz]

I've been using ZMA/trib products for about a month now. Recently I've started reading about the two and have learned pretty much no proper studies show anything conclusive. (****, not even placebo effect now.) I hear that Novedex seems to be a legitimate products and the threads about it here all say decent things. But I'm just been thinking anyways:

How useful is extra testosterone for someone who is 19 and has a fast metabolism anyways? Some people say there is absolutely no point in testosterone supplements so young because your levels are already peaked. But I'd like to know if anything has anything definitive. Is test the kind of issue wherein if you're getting enough you're getting enough, or is there significant gain to be had with the 100%+ free test that apparently things like Novedex can offer.

Thanks a lot guys.

[CrusaderHockey3]

Originally Posted by cmaracz

I've been using ZMA/trib products for about a month now. Recently I've started reading about the two and have learned pretty much no proper studies show anything conclusive. (****, not even placebo effect now.) I hear that Novadex seems to be a legitimate products and the threads about it here all say decent things. But I'm just been thinking anyways:

How useful is extra testosterone for someone who is 19 and has a fast metabolism anyways? Some people say there is absolutely no point in testosterone supplements so young because your levels are already peaked. But I'd like to know if anything has anything definitive. Is test the kind of issue wherein if you're getting enough you're getting enough, or is there significant gain to be had with the 100%+ free test that apparently things like Novadex can offer.

Thanks a lot guys.

not effective at all... im 19 too.. our test is threw the rooooooooooooof.. you prolly wouldnt notice much of anything.... if anything from extra test.... wait till ur like 21+ i believe is a good time to start lookin at some test boosters

[MaddenMuscle]

at 19 cons>pros

[pkirk330]

I took zma for a while about a year ago, it made my sleep much better but other than that it was pointless. If you like spending money on absolutely nothing then go for it.

[TheNameless]

The study saying it boosts test was done on a overtrained football team with a zinc deficiency.

[40-Yard Dash_2]

Originally Posted by cmaracz

I've been using ZMA/trib products for about a month now. Recently I've started reading about the two and have learned pretty much no proper studies show anything conclusive. (****, not even placebo effect now.) I hear that Novedex seems to be a legitimate products and the threads about it here all say decent things. But I'm just been thinking anyways:

How useful is extra testosterone for someone who is 19 and has a fast metabolism anyways? Some people say there is absolutely no point in testosterone supplements so young because your levels are already peaked. But I'd like to know if anything has anything definitive. Is test the kind of issue wherein if you're getting enough you're getting enough, or is there significant gain to be had with the 100%+ free test that apparently things like Novedex can offer.

Thanks a lot guys.

Stay away from AI's at your age (Novedex XT, 6-OXO, Rebound Reloaded). If you have your diet and training in order, then you may want to research ActivaTe which frees up the high levels of bound T you have.

[Hatebreed13]

Originally Posted by 40-Yard Dash_2

Stay away from AI's at your age (Novedex XT, 6-OXO, Rebound Reloaded). If you have your diet and training in order, then you may want to research ActivaTe which frees up the high levels of bound T you have.

Agreed.
You may think because yu have a high metabolism that your test is lower than it should be. But if you're 19 you most likely don't. If you really think you do you could always get a blood test done to look at your test levels. Those AI's (the worthwhile ones) probably won't do anything for you until you're in your mid-20's. Unless your levels somehow drop off noticably in a couple years.
DS Activate does not increase overall testosterone, it simply frees up bound testosterone you already have from SBHG. Think of it as allocative strategy in your balls...

[Bodysteele]

Why in the hell anyone @ 19 would be trying to supplement their testosterone is beyond me...

This is why we cant legalize gear...too many people with no understanding of what they put in their bodies would kill themselves.

Im not bashing the OP but....why in the world would you be doing that at 19?

If you metabolism is super fast avoid alot of cardio and sleep more and eat alot.

[cmaracz]

Originally Posted by Bodysteele

Why in the hell anyone @ 19 would be trying to supplement their testosterone is beyond me...

This is why we cant legalize gear...too many people with no understanding of what they put in their bodies would kill themselves.

Im not bashing the OP but....why in the world would you be doing that at 19?

If you metabolism is super fast avoid alot of cardio and sleep more and eat alot.

I'm asking because I don't know. That is the point of the thread man.

Or do you mean why I started with the ZMA/trib in the first place? If so meh because I was looking for any edge and hoped at least it'd have a placebo effect and not really hurt anything more than my wallet if it's bull****.

[sLiPpErYwEt]

been there done that... it does take a beating on the wallet at that age... i'm 22 and theystill dont work lol...

[B P Spin]

Originally Posted by cmaracz

I was looking for any edge...

Yeah, welcome to the club.

Not busting your balls or anything, but at your age, the best "edge"
you can get will be from deadlifts, squats, and flat bench press and
a healthy diet.

If you need some "get up and go" to get you into the gym, buy some
White Flood or some type of NO stim pre-workout supplement. But only if you
really need it.

[Naven]

There's a blanket statement here that if you're under 21, any hormone-related product is out of the question.

Everyone jumps on the bandwagon and bashes posters who even so much as ask about it.

What none of us know is what the posting person's chemistry is. Their testosterone levels could be off the charts, or they could be low. It ranges all over the place and to just jump on someone for asking about it is, IMHO, whacked.

I would suggest that younger kids read about the symptoms of low testosterone, and if they think they fall into that category, go see a doctor or endocrinologist and have a blood test. If they are low in testosterone or thyroid, or other hormones, it would be a crime not to do something about it if a solution exists (and I'm not suggesting a cycle of superdrol here).

I only wish I knew more about hormones when I was that age. There's a good chance I was low in T when I was that age, but I didn't know any better, and just lived with it. My life might have been significantly different had I known then what I know now.

So, I wish you luck, and no, usually hormonal supplements/steroids/prohormones are not a good idea at your age, but then again there are times when it could be beneficial to supplement your body's hormone production if indeed things weren't working correctly.

All I'm suggesting is that you read a bit, and if warranted, see a doc for a professional opinion.

[Bodysteele]

Are there people that at 18 or whatever have low testosterone...sure there are people who all sorts of medical oddities...I mean there are 6 billion people on earth....of course we all need to generalize and make blanket generalizations when we talk about the human body....

If your 17-8-9 and motivated enought o lift weights and all that the chances of you actually having a really low testosterone count is so small its like discussing him possible being a chromosomal hermaphrodite and not knowing it....

[B P Spin]

Originally Posted by Bodysteele

...chromosomal hermaphrodite...

Yikes!

[IRON HORSE J]

Well here we go again...

My thing is that if at your age you think that you have low test.. Then lets see the results from the doc......
More than likely you are fine... Most people hear "test boost" and they think its the majic pill... If you want to boost your test naturally and you want supplements.. Try Food and Rest... Works great...
**RANT** If you don't wanna see turn away
Whatever happend to just busting ass in the gym... Just putting in work hour after hour, day after day... Until you have tried this and diet is in check you shouldn't consider test boost.. You don't even know what your body is capable of... Give it a shot...

Sorry
*damn cytolean* LOL

[Naven]

Originally Posted by Bodysteele

Are there people that at 18 or whatever have low testosterone...sure there are people who all sorts of medical oddities...I mean there are 6 billion people on earth....of course we all need to generalize and make blanket generalizations when we talk about the human body....

If your 17-8-9 and motivated enought o lift weights and all that the chances of you actually having a really low testosterone count is so small its like discussing him possible being a chromosomal hermaphrodite and not knowing it....

You sound like my urologist and endocrinologist, who both said without any test results (paraphrasing):

"You have facial hair and muscles, you *can't* have low testosterone".

They were wrong. Very wrong. They refused to even do a blood test. They used that same blanket thinking.

Of course it's not super common, but it's more common than you let on for young kids to have hormonal issues. I did, and I was raised on a very healthy lifestyle.

[Hatebreed13]

Originally Posted by Bodysteele

Are there people that at 18 or whatever have low testosterone...sure there are people who all sorts of medical oddities...I mean there are 6 billion people on earth....of course we all need to generalize and make blanket generalizations when we talk about the human body....

If your 17-8-9 and motivated enought o lift weights and all that the chances of you actually having a really low testosterone count is so small its like discussing him possible being a chromosomal hermaphrodite and not knowing it....

Normal Testosterone levels are usually 250 to 800? (I think?) nanogramsper deciliter. But 250 is definitely considered low...like if you just came off sleep deprivation...
But what about low free test levels? Having high test, and high free test can be two very different things...

Originally Posted by jeff k

You sound like my urologist and endocrinologist, who both said without any test results (paraphrasing):

"You have facial hair and muscles, you *can't* have low testosterone".

They were wrong. Very wrong. They refused to even do a blood test. They used that same blanket thinking.

Of course it's not super common, but it's more common than you let on for young kids to have hormonal issues. I did, and I was raised on a very healthy lifestyle.

Nice point.

[Sldge]

Originally Posted by Hatebreed13

Normal Testosterone levels are usually 250 to 800? (I think?) nanogramsper deciliter. But 250 is definitely considered low...like if you just came off sleep deprivation...
But what about low free test levels? Having high test, and high free test can be two very different things...

They sure are 2 different things. Helpful advice will always work better then "dont because you dont need it."

I think everyone here at some point wanted just a little more, regardless of their age or what was right for their age.

If you think your test is low talk with your doc and see what he says. if he doesnt want to talk go see another one. either way your best bet is to enhance what you have, since you should have a lot.

[Hatebreed13]

Definitely.
I have never seen anyone about it, but I think there's open possibility that I myself might have low free test or overall lower test levels than normal. Then again, that can just be me trying to make excuses.

[cmaracz]

Well this story has a happy ending. Luckily I purchased my recent supply of ZMA/trib (NXLabs Mass System) at GNC. I went there and told them how I've been told by my university's clinic that the supposed testosterone boosters do pretty much nothing and that there's not enough creatine in it. Well even though I didn't have a receipt, and even though I had packaged the pills in my own container and tossed the bottles, the good people at GNC let me exchange it. They are awesome.

(I got some N.O. Explode and some creatine wafers. Which some of you will say I shouldn't bother with anyways I guess, but better than the NXLabs ****e no?)

This post is mainly there for those of you who have fallen into the trap of stupid products and didn't know that GNC has a satisfaction policy.