if not sore next day is workout still effective

[pizzaeater]

When ever i have a chest day or leg day im always sore next day. but when ido shoulder tri and bi the next day im not sore at all. does THis mean the workout was ineffective? This is what the workout is tell me what u think
5X military press
5X reverse flys
3x upight row
3x skull crushers
3x dips
3x barbell curls
Is it not good that im not sore

[tokar]

When ever i have a chest day or leg day im always sore next day. but when ido shoulder tri and bi the next day im not sore at all. does THis mean the workout was ineffective? This is what the workout is tell me what u think
5X military press
5X reverse flys
3x upight row
3x skull crushers
3x dips
3x barbell curls
Is it not good that im not sore

Whether you are sore or not is neither here nor there. Muscle soreness is not an indicator of progress or a lack thereof. Are you getting bigger? Are you getting stronger? If yes, don't worry about it.

[brokenchair]

Whether you are sore or not is neither here nor there. Muscle soreness is not an indicator of progress or a lack thereof. Are you getting bigger? Are you getting stronger? If yes, don't worry about it.

well put.

[Diab0lic]

Whether you are sore or not is neither here nor there. Muscle soreness is not an indicator of progress or a lack thereof. Are you getting bigger? Are you getting stronger? If yes, don't worry about it.

Exactly.

You could try changing your exercises, split, reps, etc or take a week off

You should do these things now and then anyway

[Quantum_Man]

Like tokar said, it doesn't matter if you are sore or not. What matters are the results and if you are progressing forward.

[pizzaeater]

THanx guys rep points for all

[losercore]

i usually get sore after good workouts... but it's not for sure either way, you CAN get results from non-sore-produceing workouts, and you can be sore and not get results, but i think, by and large, soreness is associated with an effective workout...

but the other replys have a valid point, if you're getting results, does it matter if you're getting sore. so are you getting stronger? are your arms getting bigger? etc

[Defiant1]

i usually get sore after good workouts... but it's not for sure either way, you CAN get results from non-sore-produceing workouts, and you can be sore and not get results, but i think, by and large, soreness is associated with an effective workout...

but the other replys have a valid point, if you're getting results, does it matter if you're getting sore. so are you getting stronger? are your arms getting bigger? etc

I agree about soreness not being ABSOLUTELY necessary for gains, but if you are not getting sore, then it is difficult to judge WHAT is working, since "bigger and stronger" will not happen based on any individual workout.

Say you are doing a certain type of workout, you find at the end of the month you have gotten bigger and stronger. How do you know what variable or combination of variables caused your gains? Was it your bench press, your incline press, the combination, your diet, your rest, your split, your rest between sets? It becomes too difficult and haphazard to judge.

Feel, pump, and soreness ARE valuble to any serious trainer with any kind of self awareness.

[$AJ]

-sorness is not a sign of anything

-you've got A LOT of volume there

-no heavy close-grip pressing movements...meat for tri's

-you've also got some 'bad' lifts like upright rows (bad lifts in terms of injuries)

[AntiZone]

yep

[DanMc]

-sorness is not a sign of anything

-you've got A LOT of volume there

-no heavy close-grip pressing movements...meat for tri's

-you've also got some 'bad' lifts like upright rows (bad lifts in terms of injuries)

LOL
banned again!

[Tete]

LOL
banned again!

OMG lol
why did he get banned this time?

reduce your volume a bit

[LostProphet]

OMG lol
why did he get banned this time?

reduce your volume a bit

10 day temporary ban for childish behaviour........see the exercise section.

[IronMike]

lol @ banned

[JnJ23]

Whether you are sore or not is neither here nor there. Muscle soreness is not an indicator of progress or a lack thereof. Are you getting bigger? Are you getting stronger? If yes, don't worry about it.

^^

[Defiant1]

-sorness is not a sign of anything

-you've got A LOT of volume there

-no heavy close-grip pressing movements...meat for tri's

-you've also got some 'bad' lifts like upright rows (bad lifts in terms of injuries)

Nope.

[Defiant1]

I agree about soreness not being ABSOLUTELY necessary for gains, but if you are not getting sore, then it is difficult to judge WHAT is working, since "bigger and stronger" will not happen based on any individual workout.

Say you are doing a certain type of workout, you find at the end of the month you have gotten bigger and stronger. How do you know what variable or combination of variables caused your gains? Was it your bench press, your incline press, the combination, your diet, your rest, your split, your rest between sets? It becomes too difficult and haphazard to judge.

Feel, pump, and soreness ARE valuble to any serious trainer with any kind of self awareness.

I am quoting myself. Please someone explain how you judge the individual variables in your workout if "size and strength" gains are the only way you judge your workouts.

[LostProphet]

I am quoting myself. Please someone explain how you judge the individual variables in your workout if "size and strength" gains are the only way you judge your workouts.

I'm not sure what you are getting at to be honest mate.

End of the day soreness should not be one of the goals you strive to achieve.


Dante sums things up nicely in this post.

I suggest this khan---for the whole next year on leg day go into the gym and do 20 sets of 100 reps on leg extensions, holding the contracted position for 15 seconds each time and then lowering it slow--20 sets

for the year after that bomb away and exactly double your squat weights you are currently doing for 4-10 reps and 20 reps (example start of year 250x7 and 200x20 and then end of year 500x7 and 400x20)

Heres some questions I want to ask

1) which one made you more sore (if you could walk the next day after the leg extensions I would be very very surprised)
2)which one made your legs so much bigger its ridiculous?

theres your answer - DANTE

[Defiant1]

I'm not sure what you are getting at to be honest mate.

End of the day soreness should not be one of the goals you strive to achieve.


Dante sums things up nicely in this post.

I suggest this khan---for the whole next year on leg day go into the gym and do 20 sets of 100 reps on leg extensions, holding the contracted position for 15 seconds each time and then lowering it slow--20 sets

for the year after that bomb away and exactly double your squat weights you are currently doing for 4-10 reps and 20 reps (example start of year 250x7 and 200x20 and then end of year 500x7 and 400x20)

Heres some questions I want to ask

1) which one made you more sore (if you could walk the next day after the leg extensions I would be very very surprised)
2)which one made your legs so much bigger its ridiculous?

theres your answer - DANTE

The problem is with your specific example, you are avoiding my point. You are manipulating a single variable, but no one is going to do that "for a year". Most workouts have more than 1 exercise per bp, and varying reps from week to week, with variable rest, diet, etc.

You have an event (your workout) and a result (size and strength)-but since you don't get "size and strength" from that workout, how do you judge what caused your gains? There is too much of a lag time from action to result. Was it the squats, the extensions, the reps, your diet, your rest, your frequency etc etc. If ANY variables have changed since you last gained "size and strength", then you can't judge accurately what is causing your progression.

Arthur Jones of Nautilus used to say he could put 1/2 inch on any bodybuilders arms IN ONE WEEK if they came to Deland, FL to train with him. Do you know what he had them do? Nothing. No training. Complete rest. Most WOULD put 1/2 inch on their arms. Now, by your logic, no training is the best training, since they gained "size" and probably strength. But we both know that what caused their gains was their PREVIOUS WORKOUTS COMBINED with the rest. Not the rest itself. Point: Delayed results with multiple variable causes are IMPOSSIBLE, not hard, but IMPOSSIBLE to evaluate in a proper manner.

And using your example: 1. you can't have 1 rep scheme for the extensions and a separate one for the squats, because again, you can't judge which variable caused the difference, but, 2. for the sake of argument, lets assume you DID do 20 sets of 20 reps on squats vs. 20 reps on 20 sets of leg extensions? You would DEFINATELY be more sore doing the squats than the extensions. 20 rep squats are BRUTAL.

And I AM sore after every workout.

[Chris999]

i get sore from one exercize per body part lifting as hard as i can

i can tell you that to the best of my knowledge i dont really see gains of any kind unless i do get sore, but this is just me i guess

a lot of experienced bodybuilders have said they take soreness as a sign theyve trained hard enough; and they obviously dont do 100 rep workouts. using those kind of examples are just pointless

[LostProphet]

You have an event (your workout) and a result (size and strength)-but since you don't get "size and strength" from that workout, how do you judge what caused your gains? There is too much of a lag time from action to result. Was it the squats, the extensions, the reps, your diet, your rest, your frequency etc etc. If ANY variables have changed since you last gained "size and strength", then you can't judge accurately what is causing your progression.

So how would striving for DOMS alter this ??

[LostProphet]

using those kind of examples are just pointless

It illustrates a point.........

[Chris999]

It illustrates a point.........

no it doesnt; its completely irrelevant if the question was meant to be realistic

[LostProphet]

no it doesnt; its completely irrelevant if the question was meant to be realistic

No it does.....it illustrates that striving to achieve maximal DOMS is not the best way to train.



If you think otherwise.......I'll let you get back to your 200 rep pink dumbell tricep kickbacks.

[Chris999]

No it does.....it illustrates that striving to achieve maximal DOMS is not the best way to train.



If you think otherwise.......I'll let you get back to your 200 rep pink dumbell tricep kickbacks.

the thread starter wasnt asking if achieving maximal DOMS was the best way to train.

and that 200 rep remark is hilarious, do you write your own material?

[LostProphet]

the thread starter wasnt asking if achieving maximal DOMS was the best way to train.?

Yes I know, the example I quoted was merely trying to present that striving for maximal soreness is not the best way to train. Don't like something thats posted ?......don't ****ing read it.......I for one couldn't give a toss whether you think its relevant or not.

and that 200 rep remark is hilarious, do you write your own material?

Is this your first attempt at sarcasm ? you look to be getting the hang of it, keep up the practice.

[Death Knight]

When ever i have a chest day or leg day im always sore next day. but when ido shoulder tri and bi the next day im not sore at all. does THis mean the workout was ineffective? This is what the workout is tell me what u think
5X military press
5X reverse flys
3x upight row
3x skull crushers
3x dips
3x barbell curls
Is it not good that im not sore

Well, I also have this problem with shoulders and bis. I got results by using a slower tempo while lowering and adding close grip chins(bis). Shoulders? I started doing handstand pushups (against a wall). After the first 20 reps (some 6 sets scattered throughout the day) my shoulders got some soreness.

[Defiant1]

So how would striving for DOMS alter this ??

DOMS is not the ONLY way to judge a workout, but it is a tool. If you have some bodyparts that are consistantly sore, and some that aren't, you need to self analyze to see if you are "hitting" the muscles the way you should be. DOMS is a valuble tool for this.

[LostProphet]

DOMS is not the ONLY way to judge a workout, but it is a tool. If you have some bodyparts that are consistantly sore, and some that aren't, you need to self analyze to see if you are "hitting" the muscles the way you should be. DOMS is a valuble tool for this.

My biceps and delts never get sore........they're my best bodyparts.

[Defiant1]

My biceps and delts never get sore........they're my best bodyparts.

Best bodyparts are NEVER a good example to use. How do you improve your worst bodyparts? Just "hammer away" with "compounds" and hope they'll catch up?

My triceps get pumped from SQUATS, but I don't use squats to build my tri's, nor do I advocate others use them for tri's.