When ever i have a chest day or leg day im always sore next day. but when ido shoulder tri and bi the next day im not sore at all. does THis mean the workout was ineffective? This is what the workout is tell me what u think
5X military press
5X reverse flys
3x upight row
3x skull crushers
3x dips
3x barbell curls
Is it not good that im not sore
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10-04-2004, 01:40 PM #1
if not sore next day is workout still effective
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10-04-2004, 03:38 PM #7
i usually get sore after good workouts... but it's not for sure either way, you CAN get results from non-sore-produceing workouts, and you can be sore and not get results, but i think, by and large, soreness is associated with an effective workout...
but the other replys have a valid point, if you're getting results, does it matter if you're getting sore. so are you getting stronger? are your arms getting bigger? etc"No not at all, so that was what 250-260 grams protein, if you weigh 125 lbs its perfect, you want to move up in muscle mass, you need to increase it big time."
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10-04-2004, 04:16 PM #8Originally Posted by losercore
I agree about soreness not being ABSOLUTELY necessary for gains, but if you are not getting sore, then it is difficult to judge WHAT is working, since "bigger and stronger" will not happen based on any individual workout.
Say you are doing a certain type of workout, you find at the end of the month you have gotten bigger and stronger. How do you know what variable or combination of variables caused your gains? Was it your bench press, your incline press, the combination, your diet, your rest, your split, your rest between sets? It becomes too difficult and haphazard to judge.
Feel, pump, and soreness ARE valuble to any serious trainer with any kind of self awareness.
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Originally Posted by Defiant1
I'm not sure what you are getting at to be honest mate.
End of the day soreness should not be one of the goals you strive to achieve.
Dante sums things up nicely in this post.
I suggest this khan---for the whole next year on leg day go into the gym and do 20 sets of 100 reps on leg extensions, holding the contracted position for 15 seconds each time and then lowering it slow--20 sets
for the year after that bomb away and exactly double your squat weights you are currently doing for 4-10 reps and 20 reps (example start of year 250x7 and 200x20 and then end of year 500x7 and 400x20)
Heres some questions I want to ask
1) which one made you more sore (if you could walk the next day after the leg extensions I would be very very surprised)
2)which one made your legs so much bigger its ridiculous?
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10-05-2004, 02:37 PM #19Originally Posted by LostProphet
You have an event (your workout) and a result (size and strength)-but since you don't get "size and strength" from that workout, how do you judge what caused your gains? There is too much of a lag time from action to result. Was it the squats, the extensions, the reps, your diet, your rest, your frequency etc etc. If ANY variables have changed since you last gained "size and strength", then you can't judge accurately what is causing your progression.
Arthur Jones of Nautilus used to say he could put 1/2 inch on any bodybuilders arms IN ONE WEEK if they came to Deland, FL to train with him. Do you know what he had them do? Nothing. No training. Complete rest. Most WOULD put 1/2 inch on their arms. Now, by your logic, no training is the best training, since they gained "size" and probably strength. But we both know that what caused their gains was their PREVIOUS WORKOUTS COMBINED with the rest. Not the rest itself. Point: Delayed results with multiple variable causes are IMPOSSIBLE, not hard, but IMPOSSIBLE to evaluate in a proper manner.
And using your example: 1. you can't have 1 rep scheme for the extensions and a separate one for the squats, because again, you can't judge which variable caused the difference, but, 2. for the sake of argument, lets assume you DID do 20 sets of 20 reps on squats vs. 20 reps on 20 sets of leg extensions? You would DEFINATELY be more sore doing the squats than the extensions. 20 rep squats are BRUTAL.
And I AM sore after every workout.
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10-05-2004, 04:21 PM #20
i get sore from one exercize per body part lifting as hard as i can
i can tell you that to the best of my knowledge i dont really see gains of any kind unless i do get sore, but this is just me i guess
a lot of experienced bodybuilders have said they take soreness as a sign theyve trained hard enough; and they obviously dont do 100 rep workouts. using those kind of examples are just pointless
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Originally Posted by Defiant1WOW, STRONG TEA - MY BRUV FITNESSMAN
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Originally Posted by Chris999
No it does.....it illustrates that striving to achieve maximal DOMS is not the best way to train.
If you think otherwise.......I'll let you get back to your 200 rep pink dumbell tricep kickbacks.WOW, STRONG TEA - MY BRUV FITNESSMAN
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Originally Posted by Chris999
Originally Posted by Chris999WOW, STRONG TEA - MY BRUV FITNESSMAN
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10-07-2004, 12:49 PM #27Originally Posted by pizzaeater
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Originally Posted by Defiant1
My biceps and delts never get sore........they're my best bodyparts.WOW, STRONG TEA - MY BRUV FITNESSMAN
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10-08-2004, 09:29 AM #30Originally Posted by LostProphet
My triceps get pumped from SQUATS, but I don't use squats to build my tri's, nor do I advocate others use them for tri's.
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