Transdermal B-Androstenetriol for Abdominal Fat Loss? (11-oxo idea)

[smh31]

B-Androstenetriol(the stuff in **** Retain, **** Restore, AX Retain, AX Retain 2) quote "inhibits 11b-HDS-1."

11-OXO: Ergopharm proudly introduces 11-OXO?, the first selective inhibitor of 11b-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type I reductase.

A gram of bAET is $3.50, which I am guessing would last 15-30 days as a transdermal, costing less then 15 bucks for a month supply.

Now, I'm just speculating, but since they work the same and bAET works transdemally, wouldn't this be pretty good for fat loss?

[Slated]

localized fat loss is a myth

[smh31]

localized fat loss is a myth

forget about localized
i dont think bAET is orally bioavailable, thats why **** methyl'd it, so I dont trust AX retain too much

[acecombact1]

B-Androstenetriol............there isnt lot of feedback about this

11-oxo is supposed to be tissue specific, but dunno if its worth it orally.

if anyone sourcing the powder, it will be awsome to try it transdermally

[beer20]

B-Androstenetriol(the stuff in **** Retain, **** Restore, AX Retain, AX Retain 2) quote "inhibits 11b-HDS-1."

11-OXO: Ergopharm proudly introduces 11-OXO?, the first selective inhibitor of 11b-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type I reductase.

A gram of bAET is $3.50, which I am guessing would last 15-30 days as a transdermal, costing less then 15 bucks for a month supply.

Now, I'm just speculating, but since they work the same and bAET works transdemally, wouldn't this be pretty good for fat loss?

do you happen to know the molecular weight for either one?

[smh31]

B-Androstenetriol............there isnt lot of feedback about this

11-oxo is supposed to be tissue specific, but dunno if its worth it orally.

if anyone sourcing the powder, it will be awsome to try it transdermally

tissue specific from the 11b-hsd, just like retain

do you happen to know the molecular weight for either one?

nope
i dont think youd find it either
PA says 11oxo might be good as a dermal but its not dhsea compliant

[Zachattack43]

localized fat loss is a myth

Slated while you were gone, even the mass media debunked that, but it was about exercise not transdermals

[dan7681]

B-Androstenetriol(the stuff in **** Retain, **** Restore, AX Retain, AX Retain 2) quote "inhibits 11b-HDS-1."

11-OXO: Ergopharm proudly introduces 11-OXO?, the first selective inhibitor of 11b-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type I reductase.

A gram of bAET is $3.50, which I am guessing would last 15-30 days as a transdermal, costing less then 15 bucks for a month supply.

Now, I'm just speculating, but since they work the same and bAET works transdemally, wouldn't this be pretty good for fat loss?

I guess the real question is would you need both of them? If both are working the same pathways there cumulative total effects really might not be that much greater and could lead to unwanted effects (perhaps eradicating coritsol instead of regulating it?). Kind of what we seen with stacking PPARalpha agonists or AIs where there cumalitve effects were really not heightened but did manage to create various side effects (i.e. 2 AIs leading to too low of estrogen levels).

Maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way?

[Crappero]

forget about localized
i dont think bAET is orally bioavailable, thats why **** methyl'd it, so I dont trust AX retain too much

I thought that bAET was bioavailiable, just as bioavailiable as DHEA, 7-OXO DHEA and 11-OXO, and I don't think anyone can explain why ALR added a methyl group to bAET or ATD for that matter.

[Crappero]

I thought that bAET was bioavailiable, just as bioavailiable as DHEA, 7-OXO DHEA and 11-OXO, and I don't think anyone can explain why ALR added a methyl group to bAET or ATD for that matter.

From some of the guys at AM that ran both methylated and non methylated versions most if not all reported better results with the non methyl compound. I know that doesn't help much but thats all I got. Also consider a dermal with bAET.

*That Post:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...1&postcount=12

*Full Thread:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=777761

[Crappero]

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[smh31]

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[IBE Labs]

you are correct it is

I thought that bAET was bioavailiable, just as bioavailiable as DHEA, 7-OXO DHEA and 11-OXO, and I don't think anyone can explain why ALR added a methyl group to bAET or ATD for that matter.

[smh31]

you are correct it is

ahahahha wow thats kinda nuts
any references or anything like that?

[IBE Labs]

yes, But you will have to wait to the morning it is to late for all this..lol

ahahahha wow thats kinda nuts
any references or anything like that?

[ab-swing asianbabe]

...

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Abliderate?:

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To summarize:

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For the ultra low price of $59.95, receive 8 ounces of Abliderate and a bottle of 11-OXO.

This should be up on the site shortly.

[smh31]

sounds interesting

[Bloute]

I would like to see a cycle of 11-OXO transdermal in good dose. I think we could get very good result and more affordable price.

[smh31]

I would like to see a cycle of 11-OXO transdermal in good dose. I think we could get very good result and more affordable price.

yeah PA said the same
now to find bulk powder... pa said proviant manufactures it, and since china stopped steroid production.. ax and everyone else is screwed

[Bloute]

yeah PA said the same
now to find bulk powder... pa said proviant manufactures it, and since china stopped steroid production.. ax and everyone else is screwed

I will have to produce some in my kitchen sink then !

[dangetinthere]

yeah PA said the same
now to find bulk powder... pa said proviant manufactures it, and since china stopped steroid production.. ax and everyone else is screwed

They did? where did you hear that?

(say it ain't so)

[Nsaladino]

I will have to produce some in my kitchen sink then !

will you be taking personal checks?

[smh31]

I will have to produce some in my kitchen sink then !

bloute the "hardcore chemist"

[smh31]

yes, But you will have to wait to the morning it is to late for all this..lol

good morning!

[dtrain13]

*That Post:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...1&postcount=12

*Full Thread:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=777761

I love when people quote me.....

[SoCool]

yeah PA said the same
now to find bulk powder... pa said proviant manufactures it, and since china stopped steroid production.. ax and everyone else is screwed

Check all the Warehouses. They have bulk powder.

[SoCool]

Nevermind, it's gone now. Odd.

[dangetinthere]

Nevermind, it's gone now. Odd.

I see a lot of ps's going away real soon. Just got an e-mail from my China contact. He works for the supplier that manufacturers the majority of things like this:

2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol

4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3b,17b-diol

13-ETHYL-3-METHOXY-GONA-2,5(10)-DIENE-17-ONE,

17A-METHYL-2-ANDROSTENE-17B-OL,

2A,17A-DIMETHYL-17B-HYDROXY-5A-ANDROSTANE-3-ONE


All he said was don't email me about this line anymore or we both in big trouble.



Dan

[johnfaceman]

Got my hands on some of the bulk adrenosterone before it disapeared off of the Warehouse site. Can someone give suggestions on how to do it transdermally.

[leonidas300]

localized fat loss is a myth

Not anymore, new study out has definitively shown localized fat loss does occur.