Open Minded?

TheMind · 10-01-2004, 12:02 AM

Check out this link....but do so only with an open mind. Also, keep in mind there are literally HUNDREDS of testimonials from people AND newspapers/media about this product. After reading testimonial after testimonial after testimonial, and learning the supposed effects of this invention, I'm wondering.....Would this not also help allow a bodybuilder to grow more muscle more effectively while sleeping? it's restorative properties seem to be backed by too many sources to be faked. And the product itself has a full money back guarantee....pretty bold if it didnt work.

So check out the site, keep an open mind, and let me know if anyone else thinks this might be a great thing to try for bodybuilding. It may have another great effect like ZMA for better sleep, leading to better rest, and in turn more efficient muscle building.

but please, i ask keep an open mind, and dont bother flaming me, I'm just asking an honest question on a topic i think might have a positive effect on some people's bodybuilding gains, I'm ready to spend my money on them, I just wanna hear what someone else thinks. Please dont post unless you've actually checked out the site though, that's more than slightly ignorant to diss something without checking it out first and keeping an open mind.....

TheMind · 10-01-2004, 01:02 AM

Anyone able to post an opinion in response to the product yet?

VeryLean · 10-01-2004, 02:13 AM

Link doesn't work..

Kaos503 · 10-01-2004, 02:53 AM

I got an open mind but - how bout nooooooo..

Eventually you'll get cancer, or a heart attack - whats the ring supposed to do?

And as for his philosophies (http://alexchiu.com/philosophy/corp.htm) I've seen more convincing stories in comic books..

JohnLeitch · 10-01-2004, 06:00 AM

What chinese penis enlargment??!

Post this crap in misc.

mugz101 · 10-01-2004, 06:06 AM

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What chinese penis enlargment??!

Post this crap in misc.

AhAHAHAHAHAH! thats funny dude... im gana scratch my head on this one

TheMind · 10-01-2004, 09:09 AM

Verylean- Link should work, works for me atleast, sorry if there was a problem

Kaos503- I completely understand to a degree where you're coming from....When I looked at it I expected to see the word "g00n"(search ebay for it if you're unfamiliar) somewhere on the page...However, I think it'd be near impossible to fake the hundreds of testimonials, and the articles written about it on other websites including newspapers and magazines. The guy has appeared on The Daily Show with John Stewart, on TechTV, and made other high-profile tv appearances as well. Like I said, the whole "Immortality" thing is a bit overboard, but if this does help get better more restorative sleep, would it not be a benefit to a body builder? The dude himself may have some crazy ideas, but his invention is getting alot of possitive feedback. I'm asking you to look at the rings, not his ideas for teleportation or God.

JohnLeitch- .....was there a point to your spam? Didn't think so, please be a lil more mature, I asked for people to have an open mind(hence the topic title) and no where on any of the pages is the word penis even mentioned, I guess we know where your true desires lie.

But seriously, if you want some penis enlargement, check your Hotmail account. There's already 500000 people trying to 'Mak::EitB*igGer'

Mugz-"im gana scratch my head on this one"---I was assuming this was your response to the rings? Sorry if this is only my misinterprettation. It really does make me wonder. It seems like such a stupid thing, likethere's no point, like it cant work, etc. But I've read a large portion of the testimonials, and the guy even has instructions on how to make your own....Heck, for about $4 you can make your own....if you could have a lifelong supply of ZMA for $4 everyone would do it, even those who dont take/want to take ZMA, they'd still do it. Even if just to experiment, and give it a try. This is very similar, why not just give it a try? if it's bull**** like many think, then wow, you're out $4.

Festival is in town here, it costs $5 just to play some of the games.....who's gunna cry over $4 for a potentially benefit for life?

tallie94 · 10-01-2004, 09:16 AM

one born ever minute, eh I some magic beans what them?

Tamacracker · 10-01-2004, 09:29 AM

lol read this:
http://www.alexchiu.com/eternallife/how-invent.htm

My favorite line was: This is how I found the secret to eternity. The rest of the fingers didn't work and were not even close the the effect I got from the pinkies.

TheMind · 10-01-2004, 09:34 AM

I'm really starting to wonder if everyone but me is both close minded and cynical, or if I'm just tired...

Kaos503 · 10-01-2004, 09:40 AM

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Kaos503- I completely understand to a degree where you're coming from....When I looked at it I expected to see the word "g00n"(search ebay for it if you're unfamiliar) somewhere on the page...However, I think it'd be near impossible to fake the hundreds of testimonials, and the articles written about it on other websites including newspapers and magazines. The guy has appeared on The Daily Show with John Stewart, on TechTV, and made other high-profile tv appearances as well. Like I said, the whole "Immortality" thing is a bit overboard, but if this does help get better more restorative sleep, would it not be a benefit to a body builder? The dude himself may have some crazy ideas, but his invention is getting alot of possitive feedback. I'm asking you to look at the rings, not his ideas for teleportation or God.

Ever heard of the placebo effect?

I remember watching a program over here by a psychologist called Derren Brown. He performed a full live televised seance. The first part involved people being locked in a box and while inside spirits threw things out the box and there were some of the most chilling screams I've ever heard as people said they saw things. The program went on and got darker and darker, to the point where live on TV things were being thrown across the room by spirits and people began seeing things moving and hearing movement. Some people in the experiment were in tears and huddled in corners they were so afraid.

You might remember I said the guy was a psychologist. Well guess what! There were no spirits, and no tricks, on the tapes with nightvision you could see people were throwing the pots and candles at each other, and there were no ghosts. I can't explain in the detail I'd like to, but suffice to say it was all a fake - a placebo essentially. They were told there were ghosts. And before they know it (and totally without realising it and they didn't even know afterwards it was them) they are throwing stuff etc.

Makes you think. Placebo effect is a powerful one!

TheMind · 10-01-2004, 09:42 AM

Just thought I'd note two things also mentioned on the website:

1) IT'S PATENTED! The United States Goverment thinks it's unique enough, and worthwhile to give the man complete intellectual rights over the product...why would you need intellectual rights to protect something that Didnt work? You wouldnt, and You wouldnt be given them

2) The FDA has not closed it down. It's the FDA's job to investigate seemingly far-fetched products that may be decieving or lying to people in attempts to take advantage of more gullible persons. The FDA does not hesitate to shut down far-fetched and untrue businesses who lie to their customer base. They've found truth in this invention, and as a result havent and wont close them down.

tallie94 · 10-01-2004, 09:42 AM

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I'm really starting to wonder if everyone but me is both close minded and cynical, or if I'm just tired...

it's not that where closed minded, it's just that were not stupid. period!!!

And if you even for 1 sec. beleaved this is real then you need to throw yourself infront of traffic

TheMind · 10-01-2004, 09:48 AM

Placebo.....Interesting, however I have to think that's not entirely possible.

why would one think that people believe enough in magnets that even if they truly did nothing, they would have a positive physchological effect enough to show the results they have? Yet, there are thousands of people who believe fully enough in things Like NO2 to buy it for an amount over 10x what you'd pay to test these rings, yet find that it doesnt really have any effect for them?

In a world where nearly all bodybuilders use creatine, why is it that some still dont respond well to it? Surely they'd believe in it. Because it's not a placebo, it's truly effective.

I understand the claim that if you want to see results, you will, even if they're not there......however, this is not such a case. As little as a $4 investment and you can try for yourself....but if you have no experience, then you're too skeptical and close-minded....why not spend 10 minutes to do some reading, and $4 to make your own rings and give them a try?

It's $4

TheMind · 10-01-2004, 09:52 AM

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it's not that where closed minded, it's just that were not stupid. period!!!

And if you even for 1 sec. beleaved this is real then you need to throw yourself infront of traffic

I've alredy ordered some. I dont believe any such claim as to Immortality, which i've already explained.

However, I believe they'll have a positive effect on the way my body is able to build muscle faster by getting better more productive sleep, similar to ZMA. That's all I'm asking in this post, is whether they could have an effect on building muscle faster.

The guy himself is a bit lofty and out there......but the testimonials lead me to believe that if nothing else, these'll be a benefit to better sleep and a healthier body. Athletes have been using various magnets for ages, why not try this method as well? $4 too much for someone who buys $65 tubs of Whey? I think not. The problem is you all are too close-minded.

is there anyone else who somewhat agrees with me? who thinks they could help? Anyone?

Kaos503 · 10-01-2004, 09:54 AM

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Placebo.....Interesting, however I have to think that's not entirely possible.

Lets see - Cure all diseases, and immortality....is more believeable?? At least use evidence to disprove me if you want a proper debate.

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why would one think that people believe enough in magnets that even if they truly did nothing, they would have a positive physchological effect enough to show the results they have? Yet, there are thousands of people who believe fully enough in things Like NO2 to buy it for an amount over 10x what you'd pay to test these rings, yet find that it doesnt really have any effect for them?

Because they are gullible, like you. Theres a difference between open-minded and being plain gullible.

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In a world where nearly all bodybuilders use creatine, why is it that some still dont respond well to it? Surely they'd believe in it. Because it's not a placebo, it's truly effective.

Science has proved it works. Science hasn't proved magnets make you live forever.

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I understand the claim that if you want to see results, you will, even if they're not there......however, this is not such a case. As little as a $4 investment and you can try for yourself....but if you have no experience, then you're too skeptical and close-minded....why not spend 10 minutes to do some reading, and $4 to make your own rings and give them a try?

I'm spending $4 on a of ring and a fridge magnet mate. I'd rather use that $4 on a fire to heat my room. Why don't YOU spend 10 minutes of your time repeatedly banging your head on a desk and try and get some of your sense back

People like Alex Chui make money off people wanting an amazing cure-all. You sleep better because you believe you can sleep better. Try sleeping in the countryside, you'll find you only sleep 8 hours if that, and its always very light - why? Because mentally you feel less safe and secure.

tallie94 · 10-01-2004, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMind

I've alredy ordered some. I dont believe any such claim as to Immortality, which i've already explained.

However, I believe they'll have a positive effect on the way my body is able to build muscle faster by getting better more productive sleep, similar to ZMA. That's all I'm asking in this post, is whether they could have an effect on building muscle faster.

The guy himself is a bit lofty and out there......but the testimonials lead me to believe that if nothing else, these'll be a benefit to better sleep and a healthier body. Athletes have been using various magnets for ages, why not try this method as well? $4 too much for someone who buys $65 tubs of Whey? I think not. The problem is you all are too close-minded.

is there anyone else who somewhat agrees with me? who thinks they could help? Anyone?

$65 on whey? man you really are a sucker............even in Canada it's only $5 for 5lb...I have a ring for you ...ill sell it to you for $50 you wear it on your c*ck will give you everlasting hardons.

and let me also guess Benny Hinn is really a healer sent from god.

TheMind · 10-01-2004, 03:37 PM

Anyone have any Possitive thoughts for once?

JohnLeitch · 10-01-2004, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMind

Anyone have any Possitive thoughts for once?

try posting this in misc you might get better luck

Tamacracker · 10-01-2004, 06:45 PM

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Anyone have any Possitive thoughts for once?

How bout this... start a log, with proof of visual of your body, from head to toe... no not naked, but show us your physique in before and after. Do this whole ring thing for a month or two. Then you can prove us wrong and then we'll make this dude rich, since magnets make you healthier.
If you highly believe that these rings are what this guys says they are, then to make this a full proof project, keep eating the same, but dont take any kinda supps other than vitamines if you currently take them.