6-bromoandrostenedione concerns (for PCT)

[Patrick Arnold]

here i am causing trouble again.

anyway,





halogens are a row of elements that have very similar chemical behaviour. they inlcude fluorine, chlorine, and bromine

the thing is, 6alpha fluoro testosterone has 1-2 times the anabolic activity of regular testosterone. and 6alpha chloro test has up to 2.8 times the anabolic activity of testosterone. it is expected that 6alpha bromo testosterone (what 6-alpha bromo androstenedione turns into) would be similarly potent as an anabolic hormone. i cannot find data on this compound specifically but i know that in other positions in the steroid, a bromo substitution usually is equivalent to what is seen with a fluoro (both being somewhat weaker than a chloro)

the 6beta fluoro and chloro have only about 20-25% anabolic activity of the 6alphas.


i am reasonably sure that the 6-bromodione avaialble from china is a mixture of alpha and beta isomers. too expensive to seperate


bottom line, there is reason to be concerned about the wisdom of taking a 6-bromo product for PCT. at least one of the isomers likely converts into a potent anabolic steroid. this would make it suppressive enough to render insignificant any HPTA stimulating action acheived via its aromatase inhibitory potential

[Outside backer]

In for a very interesting discussion to come

[An Inconvenient Bro]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

i am reasonably sure that the 6-bromodione avaialble from china is a mixture of alpha and beta isomers. too expensive to seperate

this I'll wager you on

[pu12en12g]

Good thinking, that is


Now pass the GF-PRO cupcake !!!

[power_paolo]

hmmmmm halogenoandrogens, never thought of that one, would like to see if this is right, could it be in viva?

[RenegadeRows]

Makes sense. good post!

Let's get a product that's 100% alpha

[jvinci]

so does this mean that it is still safe to stack with a methylated supp? or no...

[Vanilla Thunder]

oh boy....

[An Inconvenient Bro]

Originally Posted by Customizer

this I'll wager you on

incidentally I agree with you on what is probably the majority of what's on the market, however if someone knew of a study that existed and had tested for the correct isomer..............well.............

[FootballFB33]

Hmmmmm, very interesting. Seems to make sense too

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by power_paolo

hmmmmm halogenoandrogens, never thought of that one, would like to see if this is right, could it be in viva?

thats where i got my data from

there are alot of halogenated androgens actually

[chasinSKURT]

So basically.......................6-oxo is king, and there is yet another AI product containing prosteroids?

I'm actually quite curious to see whatever data AX will present.

[Vanilla Thunder]

Originally Posted by chasinSKURT

I'm actually quite curious to see whatever data AX will present.

do they ever present real data?

[DJMctits]

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

do they ever present real data?

3-AD June 1st!

[Biceps]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

it is expected that 6alpha bromo testosterone (what 6-alpha bromo androstenedione turns into) would be similarly potent as an anabolic hormone. i cannot find data on this compound specifically

...and I suspect it'll rain cats and dogs tomorrow, but that doesn't mean it'll happen. In fact, I can't find any data on my suspicion either, but let me start a whole thread on it just in case.

People would be more than willing to listen if you had definitive and conclusive evidence to support your assumptions; myself included. Until then however, it's all "what ifs". Besides, this topic has been raised before with zero conclusiveness to the subject, and yet here we are again, months later, with still no evidence.

Peace

[oziem]

Chlorine and Fluorine are toxic, how about this state of bromine?

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by chasinSKURT

So basically.......................6-oxo is king, and there is yet another AI product containing prosteroids?

.

this is not a thread meant to boast about 6-oxo

[GeneGnomeX]

Originally Posted by Biceps

...and I suspect it'll rain cats and dogs tomorrow, but that doesn't mean it'll happen. In fact, I can't find any data on my suspicion either, but let me start a whole thread on it just in case.

People would be more than willing to listen if you had definitive and conclusive evidence to support your assumptions; myself included. Until then however, it's all "what ifs". Besides, this topic has been raised before with zero conclusiveness to the subject, and yet here we are again, months later, with still no evidence. In fact, all of our data shows a massive rise in natural testosterone production, with zero HPTA inhibition to follow.

Peace

Nice logic

Interesting edit out you made there, luckily I caught it. Where can I find this data?

[smh31]

xtreme ownage coming soon! (next year or two)

[Biceps]

Originally Posted by fitnecise

Nice logic

Interesting edit out you made there, luckily I caught it. Where can I find this data?

I have seen the data before. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of it on my computer. So I figured that it would be best to edit that out until I was able to get ahold of it again. I'll see if I can't round it up for those interested.

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by Biceps

...and I suspect it'll rain cats and dogs tomorrow, but that doesn't mean it'll happen. In fact, I can't find any data on my suspicion either, but let me start a whole thread on it just in case.

People would be more than willing to listen if you had definitive and conclusive evidence to support your assumptions; myself included. Until then however, it's all "what ifs". Besides, this topic has been raised before with zero conclusiveness to the subject, and yet here we are again, months later, with still no evidence.

Peace

horrible logic here

i present data that suggests some great concerns about the product. Very compelling data

you come back by saying no one knows for sure therefore i should say nothing


you are admitting that you don't know if it is suppressive. you say "there is nothing conclusive saying its not ok therefore we are justified in marketing it as a PCT"

If i said nothing then consumers would keep taking it without ever knowing that you guys essentially are taking a wild gamble that it is fine - a gamble heavily against the odds given what we know about the relevant science

[Biceps]

Originally Posted by smh31

xtreme ownage coming soon! (next year or two)

Xtreme ownage will come when the FDA let's us bring it

[smh31]

Originally Posted by Biceps

Xtreme ownage will come when the FDA let's us bring it

i'm sure thats going to follow a few years late too

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by oziem

Chlorine and Fluorine are toxic, how about this state of bromine?

chlorine and fluorine in the diatomic form (Cl2, F2) are toxic. so is bromine (Br2)

however when bound covalently (a carbon-halogen bond), or in the ionized form (as in cloride and bromide) they often are not toxic

[ForceLineBacker]

very nice post

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by fitnecise

Nice logic

Interesting edit out you made there, luckily I caught it. Where can I find this data?

obviously a rhetorical question....

the edit out says it all

[Biceps]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

horrible logic here

i present data that suggests some great concerns about the product. Very compelling data

you come back by saying no one knows for sure therefore i should say nothing


you are admitting that you don't know if it is suppressive. you say "there is nothing conclusive saying its not ok therefore we are justified in marketing it as a PCT"

If i said nothing then consumers would keep taking it without ever knowing that you guys essentially are taking a wild gamble that it is fine - a gamble heavily against the odds given what we know about the relevant science

No, by zero conclusiveness I meant that you were unable to provide, in the past, any evidence that your presumptions had any merit. You were unable to prove us wrong basically. I never said that "nobody knows for sure"

People seem to forget that I am right. I am always right. And on the few rare occasions where I "appear" to be wrong, I'm simply making sure that people are paying attention to me. My logic is always perfect

[Biceps]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

obviously a rhetorical question....

the edit out says it all

Read above. I'm looking for it now.

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by Biceps

I have seen the data before. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of it on my computer. So I figured that it would be best to edit that out until I was able to get ahold of it again. I'll see if I can't round it up for those interested.

i think people by now have caught on not to believe any claims by you guys



lemme guess, this study was supposed to have been published on june 1st?

[Biceps]

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

lemme guess, this study was supposed to have been published on june 1st?

June 2nd