How important are deadlifts for overall hypertrophy?

[double e]

I have enjoyed doing dl's but due to a recent injury I was thinking of cutting them out for a while...how important do you think they are for overall hypertrophy? I see a lot of pretty big people in the gym that never do DL's so was thinking maybe DLs help strength more than hypertrophy since when deadlifting I see my strength in other lifts increase for sure

your thoughts?

[Heisman]

Have you been watching the olympic lifters? Have you seen how big their backs are? It is mostly from deadlifts (some heavy, some explosive).

However, answer this: What is your injury and how did you get it?

[bigpump23]

i'm with him just yesterday i did deads and hurt myself. I'm having bad backs spams and my leg day today was just awfully weak, i'm sondiering dropping deads seeing how I got a pretty thick back from rowing

[Heisman]

Originally posted by bigpump23
i'm with him just yesterday i did deads and hurt myself. I'm having bad backs spams and my leg day today was just awfully weak, i'm sondiering dropping deads seeing how I got a pretty thick back from rowing

Who gave you the brilliant idea to do a leg workout with a hurt back?

[Meta]

If you hurt your back then you wheren't doing the thing properly or you jumped up to high in weight.

Deads also use alot of legs so I wouldn't be doing them the day before a leg workout.

[bigpump23]

I always do back the day before legs. Also I wasn't gonna miss a day.. i'd rather have a half-ass leg workout then not have one at all. Yes i didn't warm up right

[Stagger]

Originally posted by bigpump23
I always do back the day before legs. Also I wasn't gonna miss a day.. i'd rather have a half-ass leg workout then not have one at all. Yes i didn't warm up right

You can have both, just switch leg day with chest day or something. It doesn't take a genius to move your schedule around.

[bigpump23]

I always do back the day before legs. Also I wasn't gonna miss a day.. i'd rather have a half-ass leg workout then not have one at all. Yes i didn't warm up right

[Derek0783]

One major problem why lots of guys hurt themselves is not always because of improper form. A lot of times, guys just don't understand the importance of flexibility in powerlifting. Olympic weightlifters are among the most flexible athletes in the world. You will increase risk of injury of you do not develope your flexibility on certain movements, one of these movements are deadlifts.

[double e]

yea i pulled my lower back with deadlifts after doing them fine for almost a year. i just jumped up in weight and my form got sloppy on my last rep due to fatigue i guess (rounded my back, didnt use legs as much)

the thing is i know its basically for powerlifters but should help for thickness, traps, etc...any other opinions?

[hyp3r3xt3nsion]

th4ey're benefit is for good back/legs and to serve as a load bearing exercise.

[bigpump23]

Originally posted by hyp3r3xt3nsion
th4ey're benefit is for good back/legs and to serve as a load bearing exercise.

if i recall didn't you say deads should be an outlawed exercise? if you have a link to your post please post it for me

[eddie905]

Online I always read that you must have deads in your routine or you won't have a big back. I did deads for 2.5 years and finally stopped because it was too much on me. All the effort I put into them and no real pay off (size gains).

For the last 6 months I've been doing rows, pullups, hypers for back and I'm getting better results without doing deads.

I only deadlift light now once every month or so 3x8 but I don't use them as my main back exercise anymore.

[deowal]

For hypertrophy? I'm not totally sure


I view deads as really a pure strength thing

[Defiant1]

Originally posted by eddie905
Online I always read that you must have deads in your routine or you won't have a big back. I did deads for 2.5 years and finally stopped because it was too much on me. All the effort I put into them and no real pay off (size gains).

For the last 6 months I've been doing rows, pullups, hypers for back and I'm getting better results without doing deads.

I only deadlift light now once every month or so 3x8 but I don't use them as my main back exercise anymore.

The key word is "online". LOL

Deadlifts are no more "necessary" than any other exercise. The only exercise that seems to have no substitute is Squats.

Deadlifts don't isolate anything enough to be a mandatory bodybuilding move. If you are trying to work your low-back, do SLDLs or Good Mornings, traps?-shrugs or hang cleans, Back thickness? Bent over rows do a better job.

[unity]

Originally posted by Defiant1
The key word is "online". LOL

Deadlifts are no more "necessary" than any other exercise. The only exercise that seems to have no substitute is Squats.

Deadlifts don't isolate anything enough to be a mandatory bodybuilding move. If you are trying to work your low-back, do SLDLs or Good Mornings, traps?-shrugs or hang cleans, Back thickness? Bent over rows do a better job.

i love deadlifts, but i agree with defiant that they are not necessary for to develop back thickness. i will never drop them though

[zackmurphy]

Originally posted by double e
I have enjoyed doing dl's but due to a recent injury I was thinking of cutting them out for a while...how important do you think they are for overall hypertrophy?

For hypertrophy, not very important at all.

[DiamondDelts]

Originally posted by Defiant1
The key word is "online". LOL

Deadlifts are no more "necessary" than any other exercise. The only exercise that seems to have no substitute is Squats.

Deadlifts don't isolate anything enough to be a mandatory bodybuilding move. If you are trying to work your low-back, do SLDLs or Good Mornings, traps?-shrugs or hang cleans, Back thickness? Bent over rows do a better job.

Yeah, but the common thinking when you question deads are " Do you see how big olympic lifter's backs are" or "Olympic lifters have done them for years with a low injury rate" People always leave out that most o-lifters are naturally HUGE men with wide backs and thick bones like baseball bats. I would like to see the effects of these olympic lifts over time on a common ectomorph with small bones that were not made to handle such intense loads.

[Defiant1]

Originally posted by DiamondDelts
Yeah, but the common thinking when you question deads are " Do you see how big olympic lifter's backs are" or "Olympic lifters have done them for years with a low injury rate" People always leave out that most o-lifters are naturally HUGE men with thick bones like baseball bats. I would like to see the effects of these olympic lifts over time on a common ectomorph with small bones that were not made to handle such intense loads.

Agreed, plus Olympic lifters are the worst example of the benefits of "deadlift" use because half of their assistance lifts work the lower back/traps also. So is it the deadlifts? or cleans, power cleans, snatches, high pulls, power pulls, hang cleans, good mornings, SLDLs, etc. etc?

[double e]

very interesting. i always thought the bb.com forums were very "pro DL", especially when you go to the workout program section where all the vets always include DLs on either back or leg day when helping someone with a routine

i am going to drop them for a while. they were very good for strength but mostly aiming for hypertrophy right now

thanks guys

[imageek]

DL works 90% of your body, it's not really a bodybuilding/isolation exercise. you can still build good muscle without deadlift, but both SLDL and DL are very good functional strength exercises, and they will help you build overall mass. it's almost as good as squats.

[dookie1481]

Originally posted by double e
very interesting. i always thought the bb.com forums were very "pro DL", especially when you go to the workout program section where all the vets always include DLs on either back or leg day when helping someone with a routine

i am going to drop them for a while. they were very good for strength but mostly aiming for hypertrophy right now

thanks guys

A lot of people are pro deadlift, myself being one of them. I love DL's, and I do them every week. But an exercise is totally ineffective (not to mention counterproductive) if you injure yourself doing them.

[dookie1481]

Originally posted by double e
very interesting. i always thought the bb.com forums were very "pro DL", especially when you go to the workout program section where all the vets always include DLs on either back or leg day when helping someone with a routine

i am going to drop them for a while. they were very good for strength but mostly aiming for hypertrophy right now

thanks guys

A lot of people are pro deadlift, myself being one of them. I love DL's, and I do them every week. But an exercise is totally ineffective (not to mention counterproductive) if you injure yourself doing them.

[dookie1481]

Originally posted by double e
very interesting. i always thought the bb.com forums were very "pro DL", especially when you go to the workout program section where all the vets always include DLs on either back or leg day when helping someone with a routine

i am going to drop them for a while. they were very good for strength but mostly aiming for hypertrophy right now

thanks guys

A lot of people are pro deadlift, myself being one of them. I love DL's, and I do them every week. But an exercise is totally ineffective (not to mention counterproductive) if you injure yourself doing them.

[dookie1481]

Originally posted by double e
very interesting. i always thought the bb.com forums were very "pro DL", especially when you go to the workout program section where all the vets always include DLs on either back or leg day when helping someone with a routine

i am going to drop them for a while. they were very good for strength but mostly aiming for hypertrophy right now

thanks guys

A lot of people are pro deadlift, myself being one of them. I love DL's, and I do them every week. But an exercise is totally ineffective (not to mention counterproductive) if you injure yourself doing them.

[SDFlip]

Originally posted by zackmurphy
For hypertrophy, not very important at all.

WRONG - do deads and watch all your body parts start to grow

Originally posted by Defiant1
Deadlifts are no more "necessary" than any other exercise. The only exercise that seems to have no substitute is Squats.

Deadlifts don't isolate anything enough to be a mandatory bodybuilding move. If you are trying to work your low-back, do SLDLs or Good Mornings, traps?-shrugs or hang cleans, Back thickness? Bent over rows do a better job.

i'd rather have deads than squats.

yes, deads, do not isolate anything - but they use almost every pulling muscle in your body.

[zackmurphy]

Originally posted by SDFlipStyle
WRONG - do deads and watch all your body parts start to grow.

That's a different question.

Originally posted by SDFlipStyle
yes, deads, do not isolate anything - but they use almost every pulling muscle in your body.

But they don't do a GREAT job at anything. They touch on a number of muscle groups, yes, but there's no group that deads work that some number of other moves hit more effectively.

Yes, they work traps with a heavy isometric, but it's not an actual concentric contraction. They work the lower back, but it's not a full flexion for the lower leg, so only a partial ROM. And it's a partial for the glutes and hams, too. But still, not a full flex/extension for any part. Not a full ROM.

So are the NECESSARY for hypertrophy? Obviously not. You can get plenty big and never do a dead.

And hey, I still do them - I enjoy them. But you're arguing a different point.

[SDFlip]

Originally posted by zackmurphy
That's a different question.

But they don't do a GREAT job at anything. They touch on a number of muscle groups, yes, but there's no group that deads work that some number of other moves hit more effectively.

Yes, they work traps with a heavy isometric, but it's not an actual concentric contraction. They work the lower back, but it's not a full flexion for the lower leg, so only a partial ROM. And it's a partial for the glutes and hams, too. But still, not a full flex/extension for any part. Not a full ROM.

So are the NECESSARY for hypertrophy? Obviously not. You can get plenty big and never do a dead.

And hey, I still do them - I enjoy them. But you're arguing a different point.

question was "deads for overall hypertrophy?"
answer was " do deads - body will grow"

what's the problem???

why do all those other exercises - leg curls, SLDL, back extensions, shrugs - for 3 sets each or whatever and get a decent workout.

Just do heavy deads for 5 sets 3 reps and you covered it all.

you can get size without deads, but why go through all that trouble? do deads, eat, sleep, stop doing the butt blaster, and eat and grow.

just do deads.


just do them. do the damn deadlifts alright.


DO YOUR DAMN DEADLIFTS!!!!

[et3rnal]

just do deads.


just do them. do the damn deadlifts alright.


DO YOUR DAMN DEADLIFTS!!!!

lol'd

[ThickAsABrick]

lol'd

I'm glad you bumped an 8 yr old thread to let people know that you laughed audibly.