Jungle Warfare Cannot cause Gyno- ALR

[fitnfirm]

I spoke with ALR over the recent threads where people are claiming puffy nips, sore nips, hard lump in nipple or by nipple etc. Here is what he said, which is what we have been telling you all along.



There is nothing in JW that can cause gyno from any angle. However there is those who have used other items that do cause gyno and may realize puffy nipples from estrogen rebound regardless of what they use later. ALR


So the Jungle Warfare threads claiming this are senseless.

[fitnfirm]

Im really disappointed that no one has commented on this, LOL

[Viperspit]

Fo Realz? You mean it wasn't the JW but my 4 previous cycles of SD and M1T that gave me this nice set of hooterz?

[jsweetness]

what about BAM? i know mass fx has its issues.

[doluseb]

I've had no...and I mean no side-effects from JW, and i'm fairly impressed to say the least from a supplement. Glad to hear the reinforcement through all the negative threads.

[DBee]

Originally Posted by fitnfirm

I spoke with ALR over the recent threads where people are claiming puffy nips, sore nips, hard lump in nipple or by nipple etc. Here is what he said, which is what we have been telling you all along.



There is nothing in JW that can cause gyno from any angle. However there is those who have used other items that do cause gyno and may realize puffy nipples from estrogen rebound regardless of what they use later. ALR


So the Jungle Warfare threads claiming this are senseless.

could you comment on why it seems everyone on this forum only runs JW for 8 weeks when it was tested on the site for 12weeks? I just started bottle three.

[neuron]

Originally Posted by fitnfirm

There is nothing in JW that can cause gyno from any angle. However there is those who have used other items that do cause gyno and may realize puffy nipples from estrogen rebound regardless of what they use later. ALR

Jungle Warfare gave me itchy nipples and other symptoms of estrogen/progesterone elevation. I was on JW for two weeks prior to starting BAM, thus I can conclusively blame this on JW (although BAM may have excaserbated the problem later on). I highly doubt 'ALR' has the capacity to fully conclude that JW can not cause estrogen related problems, as many steroids (5 a reduced) cause idiopathic estrogen symptoms.

[jsweetness]

Originally Posted by triathelete04

Jungle Warfare gave me itchy nipples and other symptoms of estrogen/progesterone elevation. I was on JW for two weeks prior to starting BAM, thus I can conclusively blame this on JW (although BAM may have excaserbated the problem later on). I highly doubt 'ALR' has the capacity to fully conclude that JW can not cause estrogen related problems, as many steroids (5 a reduced) cause idiopathic estrogen symptoms.

ALR is saying that puffy nipples are from previous AAS cycles, and the JW is making it "flare" up. with that said do you have a history with AAS? if not then this thread gets more interesting lol.

[SPACECLOWN]

My nips have no issues unless I tug them to hard.

[neuron]

Originally Posted by jsweetness

ALR is saying that puffy nipples are from previous AAS cycles, and the JW is making it "flare" up. with that said do you have a history with AAS? if not then this thread gets more interesting lol.

That doesn't make sense. Are they saying that AAS cause more estrogen receptor proliferation in the breasts which become remnants waiting to be activated by a mildly aromatizing compound - i.e. JW?

[GeneGnomeX]

Originally Posted by fitnfirm

Im really disappointed that no one has commented on this, LOL

Hard to comment on something we don't have info on. It is basically people trusting ALR here and he doesn't come on and explain anything.

[Bloute]

For people that already get a small cases of gyno, an AI could produce sometime really weird feelings around nipples.

I cant comment on JW in particular but a lot of people reported it and it was also the case for me.

Originally Posted by fitnecise

Hard to comment on something we don't have info on. It is basically people trusting ALR here and he doesn't come on and explain anything.

^^^^

[neuron]

Originally Posted by Bloute

For people that already get a small cases of gyno, an AI could produce sometime really weird feelings around nipples.

I cant comment on JW in particular but a lot of people reported it and it was also the case for me.

Estrogen cellular apoptosis?

[fitnfirm]

Originally Posted by akaswolebd

could you comment on why it seems everyone on this forum only runs JW for 8 weeks when it was tested on the site for 12weeks? I just started bottle three.

Ive used it for 12 weeks. I imagine most do not because of cost? You are allowed to run it for 12 weeks before taking a break though.

[Skigazzi]

Doesn't any substance that alters the Test / estrogen balance in the body have potential to cause side effects related that change??

[Bloute]

Originally Posted by triathelete04

Estrogen cellular apoptosis?

Honestly, I cant say why, I always thought that on AI it would be fine but on Hyperdrol and ATD it produced the same result. At medium and high dosage, it seems that the feeling of itchy nipples were very similar to the feeling I had on 4ad and PP (Aromatizing cycle)

[Bloute]

Originally Posted by Skigazzi

Doesn't any substance that alters the Test / estrogen balance in the body have potential to cause side effects related that change??

I agree here, also Divanil will increase free test so I would think it could increase active estradiol too. Only an idea here, no science about it.

[fitnfirm]

Originally Posted by triathelete04

Jungle Warfare gave me itchy nipples and other symptoms of estrogen/progesterone elevation. I was on JW for two weeks prior to starting BAM, thus I can conclusively blame this on JW (although BAM may have excaserbated the problem later on). I highly doubt 'ALR' has the capacity to fully conclude that JW can not cause estrogen related problems, as many steroids (5 a reduced) cause idiopathic estrogen symptoms.

And you are saying that you have not used AAS or GH in the past ?

[Viperspit]

Originally Posted by Skigazzi

Doesn't any substance that alters the Test / estrogen balance in the body have potential to cause side effects related that change??

That's actually what I would think as well, but I'd deferr to the more knowledgeable.

It does appear though as I've gone back thru several threads on this topic that the users pervious history contained AAS and or Designer AAS type products prior to the use of JW.

[pu12en12g]

Originally Posted by fitnfirm

I spoke with ALR over the recent threads where people are claiming puffy nips, sore nips, hard lump in nipple or by nipple etc...

1) Huge fan of ALR

2) I think we should draw VERY CLEAR lines here between these:

a) Puffy nips (oh noez)

b) Nip sensitivity

c) Gyno / perm. lump

[fitnfirm]

An example ALR gave was this:


where someone blames what is current not what has already been done like the guy who gets gyno on Masterone after having it on Test but blames the Masterone...which is a bit anti-estrogenic

[nobby]

Originally Posted by Skigazzi

Doesn't any substance that alters the Test / estrogen balance in the body have potential to cause side effects related that change??

Dramatically altering hormone levels is risky for men and women, any effective hormone supplements could cause gyno even if its AI based.

[neuron]

Originally Posted by fitnfirm

And you are saying that you have not used AAS or GH in the past ?

What is the etiology behind this mechanism? I proposed something earlier, but this rely's on the idea that JW is a mildly aromatizing compound. Does ALR actually have some research to back up his idea, or is he simply trying to blame everything but his product?

[Skigazzi]

Originally Posted by Viperspit

That's actually what I would think as well, but I'd deferr to the more knowledgeable.

It does appear though as I've gone back thru several threads on this topic that the users pervious history contained AAS and or Designer AAS type products prior to the use of JW.

That could very well be the case, and it would make sense.

I just think it would sound better to say 99.99% chance it wont cause gyno...you know what I mean here...im not just trying to be a d*ck

[ZDub212]

Good discussion so far. I hope some actual evidence and a solid debate can be had without all of the useless popcorn pics and the 25 pages of bashing and other such things.

Has anyone who has not run any AAS/GH gotten gyno after using JW?

Are people actually getting gyno from JW or are people just complaining of puffy/sensitive nipples?

[Bloute]

Originally Posted by ZacharyMills

Good discussion so far. I hope some actual evidence and a solid debate can be had without all of the useless popcorn pics and the 25 pages of bashing and other such things.

Has anyone who has not run any AAS/GH gotten gyno after using JW?

Are people actually getting gyno from JW or are people just complaining of puffy/sensitive nipples?

Yes, I think people should describe gynos when they posted about this. It reminds me a lot the thread about delayed gynos and sdrol. Puffy nipples are common with androgens as itchy nipples. Lumps and gynos are totally different.

[neuron]

Originally Posted by ZacharyMills

Are people actually getting gyno from JW or are people just complaining of puffy/sensitive nipples?

The inflammation of breast tissue initially causes itchiness, hypersensativity, and puffiness, leading to the ultimate development of gynecomastia.

[Viperspit]

Originally Posted by Skigazzi

That could very well be the case, and it would make sense.

I just think it would sound better to say 99.99% chance it wont cause gyno...you know what I mean here...im not just trying to be a d*ck

I agree 100% with your 99.99% statement

[Bigdolf]

I've done 3 seperate cycles of jw. And I haven't had any effects. Maybe it hits each person in a different way.

[Viperspit]

Originally Posted by triathelete04

The inflammation of breast tissue initially causes itchiness, hypersensativity, and puffiness, leading to the ultimate development of gynecomastia.

So you're saying that everyone who gets itchy nips is ultimately going to get gyno, it's just a matter of time? If so, I think that's incorrect.