what to do about high blood pressure!

[powerhouse1987]

my blood pressure is 145/95...... Can cell volumizing creatine, or protein, or an NO2 give you high blood pressure?

Cuz that is what my mom thinks did it... She thinks that just because the supps i take are for lifting she thinks they are bad!

Also, can R-ala, biotin, and acetyl l-carnitine effect blood pressure.


THANX GUYS

[iamthewalrus15]

If you young enough that your mother is still giving you this sort of advice, my guess is that you are just nervous when you go to the doctor. Try to take your BP when not at the doctor and see what it is.

[powerhouse1987]

yea i did take it at my house.... my mom took it and that is what she said, why is 145/95 really that high?

Will i have to quit taking some supps or what?

[rs1000]

Originally posted by powerhouse1987
my blood pressure is 145/95...... Can cell volumizing creatine, or protein, or an NO2 give you high blood pressure?

Cuz that is what my mom thinks did it... She thinks that just because the supps i take are for lifting she thinks they are bad!

Also, can R-ala, biotin, and acetyl l-carnitine effect blood pressure.


THANX GUYS

No. None of these supplements (or protein) is going to dramatically raise your blood pressure, and the last three you mention will, if anything, help to keep it lower. BTW, if you are taking something like arginine to raise NO levels, it's a good idea to take both R-ALA and OPC grape seed extract to scavenge the possible increase in peroxynitrite.

When you test your blood pressure you should not test it too soon after a workout or after eating, or when you are feeling stressed out. People who overeat during bulking sometimes report temporarily high blood pressure, and the building of muscle and extra vascularity itself sometimes leads to higher blood pressure in some people.

Aerobic exercise is important and can help to lower and stabilize blood pressure. You can get an exercise bike with moveable arms and wind resistance for under $100 (weslo). This is what I prefer, as it is completely non-impact, non-fatiguing, and easy, and yet it gets your heart rate up and delivers oxygenated blood throughout your body. You can ride one for extended periods without even feeling tired. I ride one every day for at least 45 minutes, although 12 hours away from lifting.

[powerhouse1987]

thanks rs1000,

If i ran 4x per week for 25 min. do you think that'll lower my blood pressure a little bit?

* And do either of you guys know if it is absolutely necessary to take ALCAR with the r-ala and biotin combo?

THANX

[TheOMEGA]

if you have a pedispostion to high BP

try modulating diet, and caffeine intake

in some individulas thermos and esp caffeine exacerbates the condition

the next step is meds and docs

maybe this will help:


go through the thread lots of good info






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OMEGAone
Perfecting the Kaoken but also Ulter's wanna be clone
posted 04-30-04 12:19 AM
there is a harmeless guy in my gym busting his ass as a supp compnay rep, and having his balls broken by his doctor girlfreind

anyway he has congenital high blood pressure

and for the last 10 years these drugs have worked till now

toprol xl 50 mg
enalapril 5 mg

his blood pressure is creeping back up

to

148-90

and an increas ein meds is not an option

QUESION:

what nattural supps could be used to help him out

I would really like to have an helpful answer for this guy he seemed distraught and is sooo freindly

I was hoping to help out.......
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Tomo
AF Senior Member
posted 04-30-04 01:29 AM
3 mg of taurine ed to start--tomo
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OMEGAone
Perfecting the Kaoken but also Ulter's wanna be clone
posted 04-30-04 02:55 AM
thanks

two other things came to mind

synephrine

and

Garlic

and one galss of red wine a night

seriuosly
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therealj
@!$%
posted 04-30-04 06:18 AM
One with limited knowledge, such as myself would assume that stress is the culprit. If he's not over this girl yet he needs to suck it up and just deal with it. I've thought my life was going to end numerous times from heartbreak, but you know what, it never does, and generally people become ex's for a reason. So if your friend is sitting around beating himself up over getting his "balls broken" it's time to move on. I was your friend in December and I'm fine now, I'm better than fine . Stress from relationships also can lead to poor eating habits so that's another area he might need to address. I can't give you any advice regarding drugs or supps to take. Help him cheer up and make sure he's eating healthy and exercising, women come and go make him realize he's ultimately responsible for his own happiness

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therealj@anabolicfitness.net
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JuicePimp

AF Senior Member
posted 04-30-04 06:57 AM
Is he taking any other "supplements"? Dbol can really send my BP through the roof after a while.
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dntopiwala
AF Member
posted 04-30-04 08:12 AM
I hope Tomo meant 3 GRAMS and not MG of taurine. 3 MG wont do that much for blood pressure, I dont think.

But seriously, If I feel like my BP is going up because of the ECY stack I'm taking, I just take 3-4 gm of taurine and the bp headaches go away pronto. It works.

D
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Mr. Nobody
Professional Garden Ornament
posted 04-30-04 09:19 AM
OT diuretics, 400-800mg magnesium, avoid E, C, Y and sodium.

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Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

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Monster

138 Moderator
posted 04-30-04 09:38 AM
500mg of Smakahoe

and

1000mg of Getpackinbitch

Im sure his BP will improve after that regimine...

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Pharm Animal

Shameless Sex Slave of the Pharm Queen
posted 04-30-04 10:42 AM
quote:
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Originally posted by Monster:
500mg of Smakahoe

and

1000mg of Getpackinbitch

Im sure his BP will improve after that regimine...


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Monster, if I cut my legs off, is there still room for me on "TEAM MONSTER"?
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OMEGAone
Perfecting the Kaoken but also Ulter's wanna be clone
posted 05-01-04 12:13 PM
gentleman thanks


all kidding aside

I am discovering women can be somewhat of a strain on a guy


all other sup advise I am thankfull for

any other ideas would be great
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South of the border
Made in Mexico
posted 05-01-04 08:48 PM
10 years straight on BP meds? How old is your friend? 60 years old?

In my opinion, the most important factor in reaching a level of good "overall health" (blood pressure, cholesterol, obesity, ect) is creating good habits and eliminating the bad ones.

Drugs are the "easiest" and "fastest" way to "eliminate" problems but not the best option for the long term.

Get him with a nutritionist and/or with a trainer. Regular physical activity with a good and healthy diet is what will help your friend, not more drugs.
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Mickey
Bone Beast
posted 05-01-04 09:06 PM
SOB, I have a friend that was on BP meds at the ripe old age of 23. He has a family history of it and I guess doc thought it was best to put him right onto meds instead of trying other alternatives while he was still young.

"Come on, get serious!" Arnold in Pumping Iron
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OMEGAone
Perfecting the Kaoken but also Ulter's wanna be clone
posted 05-01-04 10:14 PM
gentleman

he has been taking the meds since 20 he is 30 now

and the point of me asking is that the meds are loosing their effect

and to increase dose is not an option

for when he goes higher he gets panic attacks

he said the his adrenal kick in for some reason do to the meds

and he has ****** on hand to balance it out

but again when he goes to high the drugs have an effect


poor guy he is so nice that I wanna help put of I can

thansk fro some suggestion so here is what I got:


3 grams of tuarine
1 glass red wine
diet rich in garlic
400-800mg magnesium
lower sodium
cut caffiene and have tea instead
synephrine guessing at 12-18 mgs a day
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Mr. Nobody
Professional Garden Ornament
posted 05-01-04 11:01 PM
where did the synephrine come from?...all I know is that it raises BP since its used similar to ephedra for weight loss.

Increase of potassium is advisable (works well as a natural diuretc specially when combined with a low sodium diet) as well as pycnogenol

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Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

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Tall Dude
Team Testosterone
posted 05-02-04 12:26 AM
quote:
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Originally posted by OMEGAone:
gentleman

he has been taking the meds since 20 he is 30 now

and the point of me asking is that the meds are loosing their effect

and to increase dose is not an option

for when he goes higher he gets panic attacks

he said the his adrenal kick in for some reason do to the meds

and he has ****** on hand to balance it out

but again when he goes to high the drugs have an effect


poor guy he is so nice that I wanna help put of I can

thansk fro some suggestion so here is what I got:


3 grams of tuarine
1 glass red wine
diet rich in garlic
400-800mg magnesium
lower sodium
cut caffiene and have tea instead
synephrine guessing at 12-18 mgs a day
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[TheOMEGA]

Some people just are genetically predisposed to high blood pressure. Unfortunately, your friend is a bit misinformed about the drugs he is taking. Toprol XL is a beta blocker and raising the dose probably would work without causing "panic attacks". If he increase the dose of Toprol, it would if fact probably reduce the panic attacks because it would slow him down. However, I personally don't think beta blockers are all that great because they can make you lethargic and they aren't all that effective. I would substitue a different agent with less side effects if possible (I'll suggest a few below).

Enalapril doesn't have much of a dose response, but it has a short half-life and should really be taken twice a day. But a better choice would be to switch to a similar drug - lisinopril, which has a longer half life and is a true once a day drug. They are both ACE inhibitors and are great drugs with minimal side effects. ACE inhibitors were discovered by studying snake venom and coming up with an opposite mechnism of action that provides dialation of the blood vessels. They are very effective and good for both the kidneys and the heart.

Cutting the caffeine and anything related to ephedra is a good idea. Increasing cardio and cutting sodium intake would also help.

Adding meds is actually a very viable option. If anything he should consider adding another mild pharmaceutical - maybe start with a mild diuretic like hydrochlorothiazde and then try 5mg of amlodipine (a calcium channel blocker that works synergistically with ACE inhibitors).



Just my humble opinion.
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OMEGAone
Perfecting the Kaoken but also Ulter's wanna be clone
posted 05-02-04 01:21 PM
Mr. Nobody

the synephrine has vasodialating properties

so i was thinking that it would help....

I knwo that eca put my blood pressure up

but then when I introduced synephrine it had gone down

but I could be wrong it was just a hunch

ps thankyou for the help


tall dude the cardio recomendation is most exceelent

even just 20 minutes every morning could imagine would have a greeat effect

he is a n ecto morh and is one of those who does not do much cardio

so this would be a most benificial aid

thanks
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South of the border
Made in Mexico
posted 05-02-04 09:13 PM
quote:
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gentleman

he has been taking the meds since 20 he is 30 now

and the point of me asking is that the meds are loosing their effect

and to increase dose is not an option

for when he goes higher he gets panic attacks

he said the his adrenal kick in for some reason do to the meds

and he has ****** on hand to balance it out

but again when he goes to high the drugs have an effect
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By "upping the drug dose" to "make things better" your friend will need six months in a rehab center within the next few years.

I think putting a 20 year old on BP pressure medecine is reckless.
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OMEGAone
Perfecting the Kaoken but also Ulter's wanna be clone
posted 05-02-04 10:07 PM
hey man maybe that the case

I only want to help him out
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EngiCream

Call me a spoon, 'cause I feel like pudding!
posted 05-02-04 11:19 PM
This question came up on Animal's board recently....here's what a pretty smart guy had to say:



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maximus
Joined: 15 Dec 2001
Posts: 521

[NoSwtTea4U]

Also, Co-Q10 and Fish Oil are supposed to be good for HBP.

[TheOMEGA]

last part:





Posted: Dec 31, 1969 8:00pm Post subject:

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it seems to me that guys like us, guys that carry alot of weight and eat alot of food are especially prone to high blood pressure.

i did some experiments with some of my people giving them various nutritional supplements.

the BP stack i used was

potassium
magnesium citrate
COQ10
Hawthorn Berries.

The combinition stack worked very well. I began withdrawing things as time went on and i found that the big player was the potassium and magnesium.

Hawthorn berries and CoQ10 also work well but the profound effect is really the potassium. i get a headache from hawthorn berries so they are out for me.

Supplemental K (potasium) is limited to 99mg per tablet. 300mg 3 times daily had a nice effect on BP. Lowering most folks by 10mmhg on systolic and diastolic pressures in the first week. Magnesium also helped.

the potassium is so cheap as is the magnesium so use it up. Iwould not use very heavy doses of Potassium since it can cause cardiac arythmias although i have seen studies using 3grams per day and more.

for pharmaceutical companies and doctors to markey beta blockers, diuretices, ACE inhibitors and calcium channel blockers as frontline treatment for hypertension is plain crazy and sleazy as natural alternatives work very well and are very cheap.

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That was an older post....here's something he posted within' the last week:


quote:
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maximus



Joined: 15 Dec 2001
Posts: 521

Posted: Apr 27, 2004 4:08pm Post subject: some nutritional ammo

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CoQ10
Potassium
Arginine
Magnesium
Hawthorne Berry
Fish oil

Start there.

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Something else he posted in the same thread:


quote:
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maximus



Joined: 15 Dec 2001
Posts: 521

Posted: Apr 28, 2004 7:35am Post subject:

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i usually work out from the basics like potassium and magnesium out to the more sublime like herbs and other stuff.

there is no such thing as a rhodiola deficiency but many people are walking around with low potassium and magnesium levels and even low COQ10 levels.

thats why i start with those since there are genuine deficiencies that create hypertension

what most people dont understand is that your body elevates blood pressure for specific reasons. elevated blood pressure increases blood flow to remote areas of the body and brain.
increased pressure is message sent to the arteries and kidneys by the brain in response to low tissue saturation.

artificially lowering blood pressure has consequences wether it is done by herbs or drugs. of course herbs have less side affects but deficiencies are never addressed which is at the core of the problem.

merely suppressing the symptom-- low blood pressure, does not effect the problem which is the tissue saturation.

potassium and magnesium become critical as does the COQ10 because imbalances here offset the normal blood dynamics, i also failed to mention essential fatty acids becuase they regulate viscosity.

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EngiCream

Call me a spoon, 'cause I feel like pudding!
posted 05-02-04 11:24 PM
Might want to look into hydrolyzed whey:

http://www.daviscofoods.com/HWP/clinical.cfm
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Makaveli
Juice Lee Ninja
posted 05-03-04 07:11 PM
How about Liporexin?

ALCAR and GT Extract with no caffeine.

http://www.daisan.co.jp/health4.htm

Makaveli - "Mind of a criminal but the brains to teach a whole nation"
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OMEGAone
Perfecting the Kaoken but also Ulter's wanna be clone
posted 05-03-04 11:31 PM
quote:
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Originally posted by Makaveli:
How about Liporexin?

ALCAR and GT Extract with no caffeine.

http://www.daisan.co.jp/health4.htm

Makaveli - "Mind of a criminal but the brains to teach a whole nation"
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the thought had crossed my mind

that is actually a great idea


Engi-cream thansk very much I those are some good angles to consider



everyone else thankyou very much this is most helpfull

it will make him happy

when I see him at the gym we'll go to by business to print it out

I let you guys know if we helped him with his issues

take care
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Makaveli
Juice Lee Ninja
posted 05-05-04 12:29 PM
quote:
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Originally posted by OMEGAone:

quote:
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Originally posted by Makaveli:
How about Liporexin?

ALCAR and GT Extract with no caffeine.

http://www.daisan.co.jp/health4.htm

Makaveli - "Mind of a criminal but the brains to teach a whole nation"
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the thought had crossed my mind

that is actually a great idea


Engi-cream thansk very much I those are some good angles to consider



everyone else thankyou very much this is most helpfull

it will make him happy

when I see him at the gym we'll go to by business to print it out

I let you guys know if we helped him with his issues

take care
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For what it's worth I'm in the same situation is him kinda because my blood pressure wouldnt come back to normal after DNP allergic reaction and the resulting epinepherine and they put me on beta blockers at a dose that was outrageously high. The combo of taurine + Liporexin has gotten me to the point where my dose is 3x lower and they may take me off them all together in the near future.

Makaveli - "Mind of a criminal but the brains to teach a whole nation"
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OMEGAone
Perfecting the Kaoken but also Ulter's wanna be clone
posted 05-14-04 02:22 AM
thanks guys I gave him the info today

thankyou very much to ALL OF you
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[TheOMEGA]

bump

you got sift through the posts