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11-oxo ...going to take the dive
OK....I took the dive last night and purchased 3 bottles of 11-oxo. I am going on vacation next week and then will be starting a 30 day cycle upon my return. Wanted opinions on how this looks:
30 day 11-oxo cycle
6 daily/450mg/doses split 3-3
Saw Palmetto
Celery Seed Extract
Hawthorn Berry
Green Tea Extract
Glucosamine
Multi
ON Protein
Kre-Alk (may add during cycle, may choose not to)
PCT
6-oxo (10days/600mg, 10days/400mg, 10days/200mg)
Kre-Alk
Saw Palmetto
Celery Seed Extract
Hawthorn Berry
Green Tea Extract
Glucosamine
Multi
On Protein
Thoughts?
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06-04-2007, 11:24 AM
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I though 11-oxo was supposed to be used pct in conjunction with 6-oxo? anyone else?
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06-04-2007, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by untouchabledfx
I though 11-oxo was supposed to be used pct in conjunction with 6-oxo? anyone else?
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what? 11-oxo is the cycle itself and 6-oxo is used for pct as both companies stated this is not very supressive at all
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06-04-2007, 11:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by untouchabledfx
I though 11-oxo was supposed to be used pct in conjunction with 6-oxo? anyone else?
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06-04-2007, 11:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by untouchabledfx
I though 11-oxo was supposed to be used pct in conjunction with 6-oxo? anyone else?
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nah, 11-oxo is the actual cycle.
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06-04-2007, 11:28 AM
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You fibro'd my algia!
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AX is forcing our hands to get 11-OXO!!!!
I was doing the DANCE on nutra last night....ready to buy up the 11-OXO because of this chitty 'release date' fiasco!
What should I do???
BBer's...run my life and help me!!!
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06-04-2007, 11:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyTuffGuy
AX is forcing our hands to get 11-OXO!!!!
I was doing the DANCE on nutra last night....ready to buy up the 11-OXO because of this chitty 'release date' fiasco!
What should I do???
BBer's...run my life and help me!!!
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lol. not long left to wait and id rather save alot of money.
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06-04-2007, 11:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IowaGuy
OK....I took the dive last night and purchased 3 bottles of 11-oxo. I am going on vacation next week and then will be starting a 30 day cycle upon my return. Wanted opinions on how this looks:
30 day 11-oxo cycle
6 daily/450mg/doses split 3-3
Saw Palmetto
Celery Seed Extract
Hawthorn Berry
Green Tea Extract
Glucosamine
Multi
ON Protein
Kre-Alk (may add during cycle, may choose not to)
PCT
6-oxo (10days/600mg, 10days/400mg, 10days/200mg)
Kre-Alk
Saw Palmetto
Celery Seed Extract
Hawthorn Berry
Green Tea Extract
Glucosamine
Multi
On Protein
Thoughts?
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Looks good to me. I''ll hopefully start my cycle in 6-8 weeks. Good luck. Looking forward to your results.
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06-04-2007, 11:33 AM
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Midwestern Man 4 Rent
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Money is not really an issue for me (lucky that way).
I assume since no one has specifically commented on my cycle plans that it appears ok to everyone?
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06-04-2007, 11:34 AM
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Midwestern Man 4 Rent
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Thanks riseboi...
Wouldn't mind hearing Rushi or PA chime in.
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06-04-2007, 11:47 AM
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Griese the answer?
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Based on the info we have, it looks pretty good. Albeit a bit expensive.
I like the addition of the support stuff. (hawthorn, SP, CS) Though I haven't really seen much on them being necessary, I'm a big believer in the "safe than sorry" mentality.
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06-04-2007, 11:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyTuffGuy
AX is forcing our hands to get 11-OXO!!!!
I was doing the DANCE on nutra last night....ready to buy up the 11-OXO because of this chitty 'release date' fiasco!
What should I do???
BBer's...run my life and help me!!!
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I have a pre-order in for 3-AD, based on the cost of the Ergo product. However, if answers are not provided very soon (and not the generic "very soon, you must be patient" BS answer), I am changing that order to the Ergo product.
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06-04-2007, 12:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IowaGuy
OK....I took the dive last night and purchased 3 bottles of 11-oxo. I am going on vacation next week and then will be starting a 30 day cycle upon my return. Wanted opinions on how this looks:
30 day 11-oxo cycle
6 daily/450mg/doses split 3-3
Saw Palmetto
Celery Seed Extract
Hawthorn Berry
Green Tea Extract
Glucosamine
Multi
ON Protein
Kre-Alk (may add during cycle, may choose not to)
PCT
6-oxo (10days/600mg, 10days/400mg, 10days/200mg)
Kre-Alk
Saw Palmetto
Celery Seed Extract
Hawthorn Berry
Green Tea Extract
Glucosamine
Multi
On Protein
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You don't need all the support supps (saw/celery/hawthorn etc)
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06-04-2007, 12:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kappaz
You don't need all the support supps (saw/celery/hawthorn etc)
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x2, this is supposed to be the mildest of the mild ph's
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06-04-2007, 12:58 PM
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ARe all these new ones even worth the money? How do they compare to the old ones like 1ad and 4ad?
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06-04-2007, 01:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chasinSKURT
x2, this is supposed to be the mildest of the mild ph's
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pffft...."supposed to??? "Mild" or not, it is still a PH and can still take a toll on the liver. Considering, we as bodybuilders, subject our livers to enough work as it is, IowaGuy's decision to take those additional supps could be seen a measure of extra precaution.
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06-04-2007, 01:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IowaGuy
OK....I took the dive last night and purchased 3 bottles of 11-oxo. I am going on vacation next week and then will be starting a 30 day cycle upon my return. Wanted opinions on how this looks:
30 day 11-oxo cycle
6 daily/450mg/doses split 3-3
Saw Palmetto
Celery Seed Extract
Hawthorn Berry
Green Tea Extract
Glucosamine
Multi
ON Protein
Kre-Alk (may add during cycle, may choose not to)
PCT
6-oxo (10days/600mg, 10days/400mg, 10days/200mg)
Kre-Alk
Saw Palmetto
Celery Seed Extract
Hawthorn Berry
Green Tea Extract
Glucosamine
Multi
On Protein
Thoughts?
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You don't need the Saw palmetto, Celery or Hawthorne. 11-oxo should actually reduce blood pressure so there really isn't much need for the latter two. Wouldn't hurt to use them though.
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06-04-2007, 01:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by riseboi
pffft...."supposed to??? "Mild" or not, it is still a PH and can still take a toll on the liver. Considering, we as bodybuilders, subject our livers to enough work as it is, IowaGuy's decision to take those additional supps could be seen a measure of extra precaution.
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Couldn't agree more. Though he's not using any liver support. It's prostate and BP support that is listed. However, support is support.
Does anyone here know exactly what the results from use of these products will be?
I see alot of words like "shouldn't be" and "probably", which doesn't instill much confidence as to what is needed and what isn't. These are the words directly from the companies selling these products.
So if they don't know. How can anyone else?
If they can say for certain that supports aren't needed. Then a new question arises. Are these products truly what they claim?
Though to be fair. As far as I can tell, Ergo has been a bit more "level headed" about expectations from their product.
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06-04-2007, 02:21 PM
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I take the support supps listed year 'round. My family tends towards higher BP (I'm about 130/80 with the support supps) and I also have an uncle that had prostate cancer so just being safe.
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06-04-2007, 02:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bredfan
Couldn't agree more. Though he's not using any liver support. It's prostate and BP support that is listed. However, support is support.
Does anyone here know exactly what the results from use of these products will be?
I see alot of words like "shouldn't be" and "probably", which doesn't instill much confidence as to what is needed and what isn't. These are the words directly from the companies selling these products.
So if they don't know. How can anyone else?
If they can say for certain that supports aren't needed. Then a new question arises. Are these products truly what they claim?
Though to be fair. As far as I can tell, Ergo has been a bit more "level headed" about expectations from their product.
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AX's product (and ergos) is not methylated....therefore does not require any type of liver support. i agree with you on support supps; however, i expect this compound to compare more to say massfx/hyperdrol type products then orals.
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06-04-2007, 02:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IowaGuy
OK....I took the dive last night and purchased 3 bottles of 11-oxo. I am going on vacation next week and then will be starting a 30 day cycle upon my return. Wanted opinions on how this looks:
30 day 11-oxo cycle
6 daily/450mg/doses split 3-3
Saw Palmetto
Celery Seed Extract
Hawthorn Berry
Green Tea Extract
Glucosamine
Multi
ON Protein
Kre-Alk (may add during cycle, may choose not to)
PCT
6-oxo (10days/600mg, 10days/400mg, 10days/200mg)
Kre-Alk
Saw Palmetto
Celery Seed Extract
Hawthorn Berry
Green Tea Extract
Glucosamine
Multi
On Protein
Thoughts?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IowaGuy
I take the support supps listed year 'round. My family tends towards higher BP (I'm about 130/80 with the support supps) and I also have an uncle that had prostate cancer so just being safe.
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looks good
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06-04-2007, 02:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyTuffGuy
AX is forcing our hands to get 11-OXO!!!!
I was doing the DANCE on nutra last night....ready to buy up the 11-OXO because of this chitty 'release date' fiasco!
What should I do???
BBer's...run my life and help me!!!
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you can dance if you want to. You can leave your friends behind
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06-04-2007, 02:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IowaGuy
OK....I took the dive last night and purchased 3 bottles of 11-oxo. I am going on vacation next week and then will be starting a 30 day cycle upon my return. Wanted opinions on how this looks:
30 day 11-oxo cycle
6 daily/450mg/doses split 3-3
Saw Palmetto
Celery Seed Extract
Hawthorn Berry
Green Tea Extract
Glucosamine
Multi
ON Protein
Kre-Alk (may add during cycle, may choose not to)
PCT
6-oxo (10days/600mg, 10days/400mg, 10days/200mg)
Kre-Alk
Saw Palmetto
Celery Seed Extract
Hawthorn Berry
Green Tea Extract
Glucosamine
Multi
On Protein
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i don't think you need to take half a garden's worth of herbs with this stuff but if you feel comfortable doing so then fine
other than that you are fine
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06-04-2007, 02:46 PM
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you can dance if you want to. You can leave your friends behind
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Men Without Hats FTW!!!
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06-04-2007, 02:51 PM
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Men Without Hats FTW!!!
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its men without Lats
get it straigth
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Cycle looks great Iowa Guy.
And I tend to be like you, I take alot of "support supplements" year round no matter what. I always take Celery Seed, Hawthorn Berry, Joint Support, etc. no matter what other supplements I'm currently running.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Spaz
Cycle looks great Iowa Guy.
And I tend to be like you, I take alot of "support supplements" year round no matter what. I always take Celery Seed, Hawthorn Berry, Joint Support, etc. no matter what other supplements I'm currently running.
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great. your green poops from the 11-oxo probably look like chrsitmas decorations
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06-04-2007, 03:16 PM
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great. your green poops from the 11-oxo probably look like chrsitmas decorations
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what if they're coming out green AND red?
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06-04-2007, 03:40 PM
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lol. not long left to wait and id rather save alot of money.
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I trust ErgoPharm a lot more than AX.
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Quote:
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I trust ErgoPharm a lot more than AX.
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every company is one batch away from being on the top of the shietlist
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