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    Shoulder work that important?

    I feel that my shoulders/traps get worked well with deadlifts and incline pressing and barbell rows. How many of you neglect shoulder exercises because of that also? I just don't feel that too much shoulder work on the side is needed, it may even lead to overtraining.
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    Originally Posted by BurgerPimp07 View Post
    I feel that my shoulders/traps get worked well with deadlifts and incline pressing and barbell rows. How many of you neglect shoulder exercises because of that also? I just don't feel that too much shoulder work on the side is needed, it may even lead to overtraining.
    I honestly negglected shoulders a lot as well, but now I've come to relize how much shoulders help give you that V-shape. The broader the shoulders, the bigger your chest will look in comparison to your wait ans such, deltsare just as important as your pecs and other muscles and should be worked jsut as hard
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    right now i'm having trouble with shoulder's because i hated to wqork them at first so my next routine will have shoulder pressing and laterals as first priorety

    Incline bench is just not enough for shoulders imo

    edit; deadlifts are more then enough for my traps
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    Originally Posted by BurgerPimp07 View Post
    I feel that my shoulders/traps get worked well with deadlifts and incline pressing and barbell rows. How many of you neglect shoulder exercises because of that also? I just don't feel that too much shoulder work on the side is needed, it may even lead to overtraining.
    Direct shoulder works adds a lot to the overall appearance of the upper body, making it appear wider.



    If you want to see a HUGE selection of shoulder exercises, visit this link, it lists many shoulder exercises, describes them and their function and their importance.

    http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1578184

    You can easily train them without a LOT of work on the side, just throw in a push press every day you work upper body presses, a few hang cleans or something on upper back day and you'll help yourself a lot in the long run. Also, from personal experience, if there is one part of the shoulder you would want to train directly, I'd place emphasis on the lateral head, just a few set of lat raises is enough. Neglecting the shoulder, especially the lateral head (for me at least) sacrifices a lot of the wider upper body look.

    I do neglect shoulder training, and it has caused a few problems for me which i am working on rehabbing at the moment (imbalances in the shoulder due to stupid planning). But the way i did train my shoulders was simple, through presses and rows indirectly, then i would do overhead presses every chest workout (i did a body part split) and hang cleans and high pulls every back workout, Leg days i would do lat raises front raises and rear delt raises with moderate intensity after heavy lower body lifting.
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    Originally Posted by BurgerPimp07 View Post
    I feel that my shoulders/traps get worked well with deadlifts and incline pressing and barbell rows. How many of you neglect shoulder exercises because of that also? I just don't feel that too much shoulder work on the side is needed, it may even lead to overtraining.
    NO!!! Not true! You need to work the shoulders. Most bodybuilders in fact give shoulders their own day due to how hard it is to actually hit them and how important they are in how one looks. Trust me, you don't want to be that guy who is huge but then has no shoulder width and looks like a pushover. Trust me, you probably won't overtrain them unless you train them like everyday. Because they are a fairly small muscle group, they heal fast. So unless you do back day, then shoulder day, you'll be fine.
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    Never neglect the rear head either. Trust me, that's a bad idea too. You'll look dumb in fact if any of the heads are unproportionate. Actually, if the front head gets too much bigger than the rear head you're shoulders will actually start getting pulled forward causing you to get a pinched nerve which I'm sure hurts like a mother. (I don't know because I try to avoid them.) So try your best to make sure they're all about the same size. I had to specifically mention the rear head because that head is the one most neglected by people because it's so hard to hit. You may think you're hitting, but you probably aren't. Do some research on shoulders. Knowledge is the greatest weapon in a bodybuilder's arsenal.
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    The books and ebooks i have read, recommend you dont worry about hitting rear delts etc until you have some serious size, keep your compounds going up watch the growth.

    Get them once a week with a set of military press 5x5, does the trick. Plus thats all the direct shoulder work in the bill starr 5x5.
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    I think EVERY muscle should be worked evenyly to become evened out. Trust me, you start skipping one part youll see the difference in that muscle and another you work everytime.

    TO many guys on here are complaining my legs or triceps are to small, what to do.

    Well here is what to do, JUST WORK IT THEM SAME as everything else!
    Keep the intensity up, put forth great effort, good strong lifts with good contraction and form. Everything will be even.

    So in conclusion, I think every muscle group is EQUAL and none is more important than the other. So work them and quit being lazy =)
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