Muscle's Arent Sore after gym

[samhassan148]

So i hit the gym and work my butt off at the gym, but i never get sore. wtf is wrong

[Striver]

Soreness is not an idication of working the muscle hard... it is said.

Change up your reps, your sets, your exercises and rest for less time. You'll hit your muscles from different angles and work them in different ways.

[samhassan148]

Soreness is not an idication of working the muscle hard... it is said.

Change up your reps, your sets, your exercises and rest for less time. You'll hit your muscles from different angles and work them in different ways.

i already have done all that.

[Striver]

i already have done all that.

OK, do extremely high volume training. 5 sets 12 to 15 reps. 30 seconds max rest. 6 exercises per body part.

[badreligion]

i already have done all that.

why do you wanna be sore ? it doesnt mean **** as far as gains go

[Striver]

why do you wanna be sore ? it doesnt mean **** as far as gains go

To an extent I disagree.

[badreligion]

To an extent I disagree.

how so ? its a condition called Delayed Onset Muscle Sorness , all it is is a build up of lactic acid thats all

it has no merit on gains

[Striver]

how so ? its a condition called Delayed Onset Muscle Sorness , all it is is a build up of lactic acid thats all

it has no merit on gains

I know what it is.

Only, When you first start working out on a program you suffer some bastard DOMS. That fades over time. Why? Because your muscles get used to a motion, and how many times you do it. They adapt and it becomes natural to them. Muscle memory.
As your muscles develop this memory to a certain exercise/regime you will find your gains generally plateau.
You make a drastic change it what you do (periodisation or whatever), you usually experience DOMS again and gains...

[samhassan148]

im confused

[ShreddedShruggin]

I know what it is.

Only, When you first start working out on a program you suffer some bastard DOMS. That fades over time. Why? Because your muscles get used to a motion, and how many times you do it. They adapt and it becomes natural to them. Muscle memory.
As your muscles develop this memory to a certain exercise/regime you will find your gains generally plateau.
You make a drastic change it what you do (periodisation or whatever), you usually experience DOMS again and gains...

I agree with this guy. You know, since the dawn of bodybuilding, bodybuilders have been using soreness as an indicator of progress. And we had some of the best bodybuilders ever in the past.

Then some 120 pound fa*ggot with a lab coat does a "study" and tells people it doesn't matter, and we believe him? IMO i'd rather go with the former. There's a reason why some principles dont change over the course of 60 years.

[Defiant1]

Soreness can be a tool for evaluating workout effectiveness.

[ThickAsABrick]

how so ? its a condition called Delayed Onset Muscle Sorness , all it is is a build up of lactic acid thats all

it has no merit on gains

I agree with Dom of course, but deep down I truley feel that DOMS means something, even if we don't know exactly what.

-DOMS results from eccentric overload, which has been proven to increase protein synthesis and muscle hypertrophy more than concentric alone.

-DOMS results from stretch overload in the muscles, which has been shown (in animals) to induce hyperplasia, and is shown to be a greater muscle builder than peak contraction exercises.

-DOMS results from lack of adaptation(i.e. changing reps, exercises, volume, frequency), all of which are key to preventing homeostasis.

-DOMS could be a result of microtrauma to the sarcolemma, which allows Calcium ions to enter, triggering a cascade of inflammatory responses, including the donation of new cells and various hormonal growth factors(IGF-1, MGF, etc.)

To me, DOMS seems to accompany growth. When you first start training, you get sore...and grow.

When you plateau, you change your routine around, you get sore again...you grow.

These could all very well be coincidences, and it shouldn't be your sole focus. It's obvious, like Dom said, that people are growing without it. I just don't think it should be written off as meaningless, especially considering nobody knows for sure what it's Cause/Effects truely are.

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[sushiracer]

Soreness can be a tool for evaluating workout effectiveness.

^^x2...well said.

[Defiant1]

Then some 120 pound fa*ggot with a lab coat does a "study" and tells people it doesn't matter, and we believe him? IMO i'd rather go with the former. There's a reason why some principles dont change over the course of 60 years.

Negged for being pragmatic...

Unproven theory>real world.

[lanks]

how so ? its a condition called Delayed Onset Muscle Sorness , all it is is a build up of lactic acid thats all

it has no merit on gains

I believe that it has been shown that DOMS is not caused by lactic acid at all. The most current theory I know of is that it is caused by microscopic tears in the muscles.

[Duckenheimer]

Soreness can be a tool for evaluating workout effectiveness.

It can be a good hint for some. I've got a mate who blasts his muscles and eats loads. He's ALWAYS sore the next day. He doesn't progress.

I never get sore. I'm growing like a weed.

Why the heck are you worry about the fact you ain't getting sore? Ask yourself... Are you progressing in poundages and musculature? Yes, no? That's all that matters.

Soreness can be nice and makes you feel you've done your job but it's no end in itself.