New Animal Product

[wrestler07]

Does anyone know anything about the new animal supplement. It sound too good to be true but maybe this one will actually be good http://animalpak.com/html/article_details.cfm?ID=176

[gut23]

Yeah, i got an e-mail about that, it looks pretty good if it lives up to those quotes from their alpha testers.

I applied to that alpha tester program but didnt get picked this time around.

[ballbags1]

I've been using their products for years (Pak and more recently the Test), I can't wait to see what this product is. Anyone else got info on it?

[gut23]

is it some type of pro hormone or something else? I can't think of why a company would launch a pro-hormone with a ban so near.

[wrestler07]

it says that it isn't a hormone or stimulant

[gut23]

anybody hear anything additional aout this yet? i am interested in it potentially.

[bigpump23]

I've tried it and I can tell ya'll that it works

[shaggz]

All I know is that when the webpage started out with 'Well Brothers.......' I immediately thought of Victorian Guy. At that point I was waiting for Nobby to whip out the bike chain......

[thelast10]

kinda reminds me of adenergy.............

[PuffyBeware]

Originally posted by shaggz
All I know is that when the webpage started out with 'Well Brothers.......' I immediately thought of Victorian Guy. At that point I was waiting for Nobby to whip out the bike chain......

Ha ha, I thought the same thing!

[EricTheRed]

its probably something like V-12turbo or NO-Xplode

[bigpump23]

Originally posted by EricTheRed
its probably something like V-12turbo or NO-Xplode

No it's nothing like that at all, nor is it a PH

[ballbags1]

Hey guy's I just got an email from animalpak.com that explains what the product is. Anyone else get this? Sounds like a solid product. I cut and pasted what was written:


Animal Nitro, Part I

Well it�s a solid-looking gray can. Pop it open and you�ll notice it�s got inidividualized packs filled with pills inside just like the other Animal products. What is it? Take a look at the supplement facts. Whaddya see? A bunch of aminos (9 to be exact) totaling 12,000mg per dose (arginine, histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, and valine) along with some vitamin B6 and niacin. You�ll also see that each dose gives you over 9000mg of BCAAs (branched-chain amino acids). Alright.

Now if you�re one of the 99% of the lifters out there who think that, who think amino acids aren�t worth it, then stop reading right now. But if you�re that 1% who knows the value of aminos, then read on because you�re gonna find out that Animal Nitro isn�t just another amino product. It�s the only one of its kind that contains the right forms of aminos (uncoupled), the right types (essential amino acids), and the right ratios (Human Muscle Protein Complex�).

Animal Nitro is like pure gold. If you continue reading, you�ll also find out that the sum is greater than the individual parts, and that Animal Nitro is more than just the sum of a couple of different amino acids. You get the right mix of aminos together, and what you�ll get is an important supplement that all strength athletes can benefit from.

Aminos vs. Protein
Over the years, words like �protein� and �amino acids� have been thrown together so much, they usually mean the same thing to a lot of guys. Protein? Aminos? What�s the difference? Too bad, because an effective amino supplement can do things whole proteins can�t. Now whole or intact protein from food and powders like whey, casein, egg or soy are made up of amino acids linked together by chemical bonds. In the small intestines, special enzymes get to breaking down the dietary proteins in smaller peptides and individual aminos. Whole proteins must first be broken down into these smaller peptides and individual aminos before they can be absorbed. Some measurements indicate that 70-80% of 15g of milk protein in a meal get absorbed in 3 hours.

While it takes a lot longer for it to get digested, dietary protein is important because it gives your body the basics building blocks it needs�a wide range of amino acids that can be used to restore amino acid levels in the body to help new tissue growth and regulate important bodily functions. For accomplishing these very basic functions, supplement wise, you can�t beat protein powders. They�re fairly cheap and effective. But think of protein in foods and shakes as gold ore. There�s pure gold in the rock, but you�ve gotta get it out to be able to use it. You can definitely get it out, but it takes more time and work

Protein powders are less efficient too. A lot of the aminos in protein powders get deaminated by the liver. In other words, you lose more aminos. In fact, if you eat too much protein, it can actually hurt your gains because of something called the Protein Paradox (see below). Individual amino acids, on the other hand, are like pure solid gold. Because individual aminos are quickly absorbed and assimilated, they�re far more efficient. Like protein powders, individual amino acids can provide a source of dietary protein the body needs. More importantly, because they can more efficiently directly enter into systemic circulation, individual aminos offer additional benefits that we�ll talk about shortly.

Animal Nitro�s formula contains only individual amino acids, no whole proteins. Why? Individual amino acids can produce pharmacological and physiological effects such as anabolism, hormone regulation (growth hormone, insulin), immunomodulation, neurotransmitter function, and the like. Amino acids, in other words, have the ability to be more than just building blocks for the body. Unlike protein powders, aminos can exert certain anabolic and anti-catabolic effects and impact hormonal functions.

In the real world, what this means is that the right ratios, forms, and kinds of individual aminos can potentially increase strength, shorten recovery times, reduce fatigue, and increase lean mass in a way protein powders can�t. So does all this mean if you�re gonna use Animal Nitro, then you should stop taking your protein powder (actually, you could use Animal Nitro to replace your protein shake�it�d be better and more efficient, but it�d be more expensive too)? No. You should probably be doing both. In fact, if you�re on a higher protein diet, then you should really consider taking Animal Nitro because of something called the Protein Paradox.

There are studies that argue that increasing protein intakes too much can actually hurt growth, not encourage it. This is the Protein Paradox. By eating more protein-rich foods and protein shakes, scientists believe this can actually reduce the availability of aminos in tissues due to wastage (catabolism). This reduction of aminos can then put the brakes on protein synthesis and, ultimately, weight gain. For example, drinking a lot of whey protein shakes may give you a lot of BCAAs, but with high protein diets, these BCAAs can be quickly catabolized. Over the long run, researchers speculate that high protein diets can lead to metabolic imbalances, deficiencies of key amino acids in the body, and suppress protein synthesis.

So while higher protein diets are important for bodybuilders, there are diminishing returns as you increase your intake�you get less and less value back from each gram of protein. More importantly, beyond a certain point, too much protein can actually have a negative effect by making it harder to gain size as more and more aminos are lost to catabolism. The Protein Paradox can affect the bodybuilder who�s getting a large percentage of his calories from protein. Since you�re not going to know when you hit the point where you�re taking in too much protein, you should supplement with the fast-acting amino Animal Nitro just in case. Animal Nitro can continue delivering important amino acids.

�Uncoupled� Aminos
Animal Nitro contains only individual or �uncoupled� aminos. You�re not going to find protein powder filled into capsules. No way. We use uncoupled aminos for a couple of different reasons. A lot of important research has shown that uncoupled amino acids are more quickly absorbed in the GI tract than protein in whole foods and supplements. As these uncoupled aminos don�t need to be digested, they should ideally be taken when rapid absorption is critical, when certain pharmacological effects are desired, or when individuals are on higher protein diets. They can also help lifters who are cutting and bulking.

But uncoupled aminos are different in a more fundamental way. They can actually bypass the liver (where aminos are usually deaminated and ultimately converted to urea) and enter systemic circulation. When this happens, the pharmacological benefits can be realized. Here�s how it works. When you eat a steak or drink a protein shake, the aminos get caught up and processed in the liver. Uncoupled amino acids, on the other hand, have the ability actually bypass the liver. Once ingested, uncoupled aminos can form a �bolus��think of this as a therapeutic mass of aminos.

Due to this protective bolus, when the uncoupled aminos reach the liver, they can escape the liver�s processing. In other words, these aminos can enter into systemic circulation quickly and reach their target areas to exert the pharmacological and physiological effects. Tableted amino acid supplements or protein powders, because they take longer to digest, are catabolized to urea a greater degree by the liver. That�s why Animal Nitro contains only uncoupled amino acids in quick-dissolving capsules. Tableting would defeat the purpose of this particular product.

Additionally, only with free �uncoupled� aminos can you precisely complex and formulate the right kinds of aminos, in the right ratios. It�s not just a matter of throwing uncoupled aminos in there. You have to also choose the right aminos and in the right amounts relative to the other aminos. The only real downsides to uncoupled aminos are their price (very expensive) and their taste (not so good). This takes us to a discussion of essential amino acids versus non-essential amino acids.

[ballbags1]

Essential Aminos vs. Non-Essential Aminos
So now you know why using uncoupled aminos are important and different than regular protein shakes. We got the form of the aminos down, now we have to talk about which aminos are critical. Without getting into a debate about conditional aminos, there are two accepted categories of amino acids: essential (indispensable) and non-essential (dispensable). Essential amino acids (EAA) are those that are, well, essential. The body can’t make them on their own; it must obtain them from the foods and supplements you eat. Non-essential amino acids (NEAA), on the other hand, can be synthesized by the body.

It’s pretty obvious that the EAA are valuable. Just how valuable? Let’s put it this way, the human body can maintain nitrogen balance on just the essential amino acids if necessary. And Animal Nitro contains 8 essential amino acids (histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, valine) plus arginine, an “acquired non-dispensable” amino acid. Why these 9 amino acids? First, there are numerous studies looking at the impact of these same amino acids on the human body. Again and again, clinical studies have shown that EAA can exert significant anabolic effects via protein synthesis and net nitrogen balance.

Second, non-essential amino acids aren’t necessary to stimulate net protein synthesis. In concrete terms, researchers at the University of Texas found that a 6g dose of essential amino acids was about twice as effective as a 6g serving of mixed amino acids in stimulating protein synthesis. These researchers concluded that NEAA are not necessary for the stimulation of net muscle protein balance. Not only that, they found that the size of the dose and the composition of the amino acid formula were important as well. This is just another reason that regular amino acid supplements and protein powders won’t cut it when it–you need to be able to custom-tailor the amino acid profile and include EAA. Protein powders contain both EAA and NEAA.

Bottom line, when it comes to delivering an anabolic pulse necessary for new growth, only uncoupled essential amino acids are absolutely critical. Pure EAA are just that efficient and important. One researcher who examined EAA concluded that “our results, along with virtually all date in the literature on the topic, suggest that increasing amino acid intake will increase muscle mass, with all other variables remaining constant.” So now that we covered the forms of the aminos (uncoupled) and the types (essential amino acids), let’s put it all together and look at the ratios of aminos, which we’ll talk about next in Part II…

[IvanDanko]

I say BS.

[ballbags1]

From what I got out of it is that it's an essential amino acid blend. The essential aminos are important to take esp. around workout time to help enhance recovery. This sounds promising. I'd like to see the formula.

[gut23]

Yeah, I got the letter too. I hope part 2 tells us the formula.

[cubical]

Scam

[pogue]

When supplement companies run out of ideas for new supplements, they'll often take old supplement ideas and remake them, or improve upon them. Adding malic acid to common amino acids is an example of this.

These amino acids never did much in the first place when taken alone, but add malic acid to them and suddenly you have a new miracle supplement.

Expect a lot more of this type of stuff once prohormones are gone.

[bigpump23]

Originally posted by pogue
When supplement companies run out of ideas for new supplements, they'll often take old supplement ideas and remake them, or improve upon them. Adding malic acid to common amino acids is an example of this.

These amino acids never did much in the first place when taken alone, but add malic acid to them and suddenly you have a new miracle supplement.

Expect a lot more of this type of stuff once prohormones are gone.

True but in animalpaks case they are built on the basic supps that work. I mean think about how long they just sold animalpak and animal stak? Only within the last year and a half are they out there with new products. I'm one of the testers and this is the real deal.

[pogue]

Originally posted by bigpump23
True but in animalpaks case they are built on the basic supps that work. I mean think about how long they just sold animalpak and animal stak? Only within the last year and a half are they out there with new products. I'm one of the testers and this is the real deal.

It is more of a Hot Stuff mentality, where you throw everything and the kitchen sink in there. The only problem is most of the good stuff is underdosed, and then it just becomes a glorified multivitamin.

[gut23]

Originally posted by pogue
When supplement companies run out of ideas for new supplements, they'll often take old supplement ideas and remake them, or improve upon them. Adding malic acid to common amino acids is an example of this.

These amino acids never did much in the first place when taken alone, but add malic acid to them and suddenly you have a new miracle supplement.

Expect a lot more of this type of stuff once prohormones are gone.

I have been using universal and optimum's products for long time and I think you should give them the benefit of the doubt until you at least see a formula. I am guessing the product will be out soon if they are already e-mailing people on their list.

[ballbags1]

Originally posted by bigpump23
True but in animalpaks case they are built on the basic supps that work. I mean think about how long they just sold animalpak and animal stak? Only within the last year and a half are they out there with new products. I'm one of the testers and this is the real deal.

I agree with you bro, one of the reason why I stick with Universal and companies that have similiar philosophies is that supplements are important but if your diet and training is sh-- than you're wasting your money- I personally use the Paks everyday and have used the Test in the past and got great results.
Bigpump23 do you have more info on the product?

[xplicid01]

i dont kno about animal. all their shi* is so damn expenssive, and seems pretty mediocore to me.

they kinda contradict themselves in this article:

"Now we aren�t gonna lie and tell you we were expecting strength increases of 1600% overnight, 10 pounds of mucle in a week, or some other bull**** story."

2 lines later

"But we got some seasoned, veteran lifters telling us that their major lifts on the squat, bench and deadlift have gone up as high as 80, 45 and 45 pounds respectively in a period of three weeks."

thats 170 lbs to ur bench, squat, deadlift total in 3 weeks. and seasoned veterans is the term they used. so people that put out 1500lbs for all three are going to now put up 1670lbs. and in just 3 weeks, without PH, or Roids.

im sure it will be better than the average product because its animal, but still sounds like bull shi*.

[bigpump23]

Originally posted by ballbags1
I agree with you bro, one of the reason why I stick with Universal and companies that have similiar philosophies is that supplements are important but if your diet and training is sh-- than you're wasting your money- I personally use the Paks everyday and have used the Test in the past and got great results.
Bigpump23 do you have more info on the product?

I got all the info you need about, but it basically would be like the email they sent out. I pmed you about animal test, wondering how it worked for you...what were your resutls

[EricTheRed]

Well if it's as good as i've been hearing about then i'm interested, any idea when its coming out and how much it will cost?

[bigpump23]

Originally posted by pogue
It is more of a Hot Stuff mentality, where you throw everything and the kitchen sink in there. The only problem is most of the good stuff is underdosed, and then it just becomes a glorified multivitamin.

True again but while the good stuff is underdosed, you still see resutls on there products just not as much

[bigpump23]

Originally posted by EricTheRed
Well if it's as good as i've been hearing about then i'm interested, any idea when its coming out and how much it will cost?

Animal still has some more tests to run and resutls to get back so the date is TBA..price I would think would be resonable maybe around 20-30 bucks for a can

[Lonny]

Originally posted by bigpump23
True again but while the good stuff is underdosed, you still see resutls on there products just not as much

So if its underdosed, why do they include it? Or why not buy from a company that isn't overpriced?

I can't see the reasoning behind purchasing any Animal or Universal product. You can find cheaper and more effective product, so why overpay?

[bigpump23]

Originally posted by Lonny
So if its underdosed, why do they include it? Or why not buy from a company that isn't overpriced?

I can't see the reasoning behind purchasing any Animal or Universal product. You can find cheaper and more effective product, so why overpay?

animal makes good all around overall products. If you wanna use 19-nor why would you buy animal stack when you see so little in it? You wouldn't but you would buy it if you wanted the benfits of 19-nor but didn't wanna use as much or buy it sepratly along with buying the other products separately. i'd rather buy an animal stak then go out and one by one pay for the other components.If you want more of an individual product then go out and get that product