Need to know if this is a myth?

CFranzen1 · 05-19-2007, 10:50 PM

Okay, what's the deal with not eating protein and carbs in a meal together? I overheard two women talking about this in the locker rooms yesterday and wondered there is something behind it. Any thoughts!

kitebean · 05-19-2007, 10:52 PM

it's a myth

imperfectly_lou · 05-19-2007, 10:55 PM

yup, total bollocks

JessyQT · 05-20-2007, 01:26 AM

i heard something about that too, good to know

clovely · 05-20-2007, 06:20 AM

They said not to eat protein and carbs together? Good greif, people are so confused!

BlondeAmazon · 05-20-2007, 06:22 AM

I dont get it?? What is the point exactly for this? No OATS IN MY PROTIEN SHAKE?????? that is simply not acceptable

Supertransplant · 05-20-2007, 08:12 AM

The only reason I dont eat my carbs with my protein is because I dont like to fill up. If I eat every two to three hours, I focus on what I need. So if I just finished a work out....I know that before the work out I had mostly carbs and a little bit of protein....and if Im going to hit 240g of protein a day.... I can't allow carbs to fill up my stomach during the post workout meal....so after my workout.... I simply eat protein protein protein and my creatine. After that meal...everythings back to normal and I eat my carbs and protein whenever the hell i want.

Titania · 05-20-2007, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by imperfectly_lou

yup, total bollocks

Well put Lou!! I agree completely.

twinnett · 05-20-2007, 10:48 AM

Yes, one of the great myths and there are soooo many!

Fruit will make you fat!!!!!!!!!!

imperfectly_lou · 05-20-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Supertransplant

The only reason I dont eat my carbs with my protein is because I dont like to fill up. If I eat every two to three hours, I focus on what I need. So if I just finished a work out....I know that before the work out I had mostly carbs and a little bit of protein....and if Im going to hit 240g of protein a day.... I can't allow carbs to fill up my stomach during the post workout meal....so after my workout.... I simply eat protein protein protein and my creatine. After that meal...everythings back to normal and I eat my carbs and protein whenever the hell i want.

Actually, you may be shortchanging yourself there. Your body needs protein AND carbs post workout, preferably fast digesting carbs. The usual ratio recommended is approximately 2/3 carbs, 1/3 protein post workout, but some people do about 1/2 and 1/2. This is why you see people adding dextrose and milk to protein shakes.

AlwaysStrivin · 05-20-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by imperfectly_lou

Actually, you may be shortchanging yourself there. Your body needs protein AND carbs post workout, preferably fast digesting carbs. The usual ratio recommended is approximately 2/3 carbs, 1/3 protein post workout, but some people do about 1/2 and 1/2. This is why you see people adding dextrose and milk to protein shakes.

This is very true. After a workout, your glycogen levels are completely depleted and must be refilled. By ingesting fast digesting carbs, you can replenish your glycogen, give the muscles some extra glucose, and allow the protein to be utilized for repair. If there are no carbs ingested PWO, the protein will be digested and converted into glucose or TCA cycle intermediates and not used to repair muscle tissue.

Eileen · 05-20-2007, 04:58 PM

I've a feeling this is something to do with the Hay diet or some other food combining diet. There's a theory that you use different digestive emzynes to digest protein and carbs and eating them together screws that up. So you are supposed to eat them at different meals. Same with fat and protein.

I can see no logic for this at all, and since there are very few foods that are all carbs, all protein or all fat, you end up with a very resticted diet. Let's have a nice bowl of sugar for breakfast, a tin of tuna for lunch and a stick of butter for dinner.

belleza · 05-20-2007, 05:28 PM

I wonder if they've ever herd of a ballanced meal?

Eileen · 05-20-2007, 05:52 PM

Ah yes, but there has to be a SECRET to losing weight and getting in shape. Something that doesn't involve self-discipline or sweat.

AlwaysStrivin · 05-20-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Eileen

I've a feeling this is something to do with the Hay diet or some other food combining diet. There's a theory that you use different digestive emzynes to digest protein and carbs and eating them together screws that up. So you are supposed to eat them at different meals. Same with fat and protein.

I can see no logic for this at all, and since there are very few foods that are all carbs, all protein or all fat, you end up with a very resticted diet. Let's have a nice bowl of sugar for breakfast, a tin of tuna for lunch and a stick of butter for dinner.

You're correct. Enzymes are extremely specific in what they break down. (Galactosidase only breaks down Galactose, Lactase only breaks down lactose, etc, etc). Protein enzymes are a little less specfic and tend to bind at pretty random peptide bonds w/in a protein. (Ex. Trypsin, carboxypeptidase) Fats are emulsified by bile salts that are made in the Liver and stored in the gall bladder. Fats, like CHO and Protein, use a different mechanism of digestion and absorption. The moral of the story is that eating a mixture of Prt, CHO, and fat does not disrupt anything, it's what our body is designed for.

There is an overload capacity however. If you eat too much protein, you will not produce enough enzymes to digest all the protein. Enzymes are not destroyed in the chemical process, but if there is so much protein that all the enzymatic active sites are full, then any excess protein will pass through and be degraded by hind gut microflora. Same with CHO and fats.

Titania · 05-21-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Eileen

Ah yes, but there has to be a SECRET to losing weight and getting in shape. Something that doesn't involve self-discipline or sweat.

LOL

..... I think!!

Jamie M · 05-21-2007, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Eileen

Ah yes, but there has to be a SECRET to losing weight and getting in shape. Something that doesn't involve self-discipline or sweat.

There's always liposuction, lol

MauiZos · 05-23-2007, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Eileen

I've a feeling this is something to do with the Hay diet or some other food combining diet. There's a theory that you use different digestive emzynes to digest protein and carbs and eating them together screws that up. So you are supposed to eat them at different meals. Same with fat and protein.

I can see no logic for this at all, and since there are very few foods that are all carbs, all protein or all fat, you end up with a very resticted diet. Let's have a nice bowl of sugar for breakfast, a tin of tuna for lunch and a stick of butter for dinner.

Actually, to play devil's advocate here for a moment, there is some legitimate evidence behind this approach and it does have to do with the digestive enzymes used to break down proteins vs carbs. There are different enzymes involved in each process and when released together they can counteract each other to some extent, reducing your body's effectiveness at breaking down and absorbing the components of your food.

For my last pre-comp cut I was doing 6 small meals a day combining protein and carbs. This worked out ok, but i did not come in as lean as I wanted to. For this round, my nutritionist has me eating 11-13 times/day, seperating proteins and carbs and I find this works infinitely better for me. It is a LOT of work and Eileen is right that the regime is extremely restrictive, but I feel much better and I'm losing more weight this way.

The only time I eat protein and carbs together is in my PWO shake when I usually have whey with a cup of strawberries.

CFranzen1 · 05-24-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MauiZos

Actually, to play devil's advocate here for a moment, there is some legitimate evidence behind this approach and it does have to do with the digestive enzymes used to break down proteins vs carbs. There are different enzymes involved in each process and when released together they can counteract each other to some extent, reducing your body's effectiveness at breaking down and absorbing the components of your food.

For my last pre-comp cut I was doing 6 small meals a day combining protein and carbs. This worked out ok, but i did not come in as lean as I wanted to. For this round, my nutritionist has me eating 11-13 times/day, seperating proteins and carbs and I find this works infinitely better for me. It is a LOT of work and Eileen is right that the regime is extremely restrictive, but I feel much better and I'm losing more weight this way.

The only time I eat protein and carbs together is in my PWO shake when I usually have whey with a cup of strawberries.

Do you feel less hungry and still have energy to keep up with your workout regime?

**iKermit** · 05-24-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MauiZos

Actually, to play devil's advocate here for a moment, there is some legitimate evidence behind this approach and it does have to do with the digestive enzymes used to break down proteins vs carbs. There are different enzymes involved in each process and when released together they can counteract each other to some extent, reducing your body's effectiveness at breaking down and absorbing the components of your food.

For my last pre-comp cut I was doing 6 small meals a day combining protein and carbs. This worked out ok, but i did not come in as lean as I wanted to. For this round, my nutritionist has me eating 11-13 times/day, seperating proteins and carbs and I find this works infinitely better for me. It is a LOT of work and Eileen is right that the regime is extremely restrictive, but I feel much better and I'm losing more weight this way.

The only time I eat protein and carbs together is in my PWO shake when I usually have whey with a cup of strawberries.

it'd be interesting to experiment next time with 11-13 meals/day with a balanced protein/carb plan like your first comp diet. probably not if you found what works

but i wonder if it wasn't necessarily the splitting up of protein/carbs but the fact that you were eating twice as frequently that made your gains better.

1quick1 · 05-24-2007, 12:17 AM

I've never heard anyone say eating protein and carbs together is bad but I've heard people say never eat carbs and fats in the same meal.

MauiZos · 05-24-2007, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CFranzen1

Do you feel less hungry and still have energy to keep up with your workout regime?

Definitely! I can eat fewer calories and feel less hungry, which is likely more a factor of eating so frequently rather than splitting up proteins/carbs. When I'm consuming something pretty much every hour, there's no time to get hungry! My energy levels are fine. I workout three times/day and have no problem getting through it all. I do find it makes my stomach feel better in terms of digestion to split everything up though.

The most important element of any diet (I think) is to find what makes you FEEL the best and what you can mentally stick to. There are tons of different ways to eat that will make you lose weight, but it comes down to what your mind can handle.

Jodi_Lane · 05-25-2007, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CFranzen1

Okay, what's the deal with not eating protein and carbs in a meal together? I overheard two women talking about this in the locker rooms yesterday and wondered there is something behind it. Any thoughts!

I don't understand why you wouldn't eat carbs and protein at the same time...In fact, if you're going to eat some carbs it's a GREAT idea to eat protein with it so that the carbs aren't the only thing going into your blood stream...you need a balance of nutrients...

So, I'd definitely say what they'were talking about was BS

iNatalia · 05-25-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BlondeAmazon

I dont get it?? What is the point exactly for this? No OATS IN MY PROTIEN SHAKE?????? that is simply not acceptable

Exactly! And what's wrong with putting whey protein powder into my quick oats? Even my hubby though it was good - my powder is chocolate flavor. Yummy-y-y-y!

Roger999 · 05-25-2007, 09:06 PM

dont know how that could be bad for you......get a bowl of pasta and lamb and eat it infront of their face

maryeliz · 05-28-2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MauiZos

The most important element of any diet (I think) is to find what makes you FEEL the best and what you can mentally stick to. There are tons of different ways to eat that will make you lose weight, but it comes down to what your mind can handle.

I COMPLETELY agree with this~ very well put MauiZos!