methyl 1-test and an estrogen blocker

**chapps05** · 05-25-2004, 02:53 PM

would it be good to take an estrogen blocker while on M 1-t?

**bigpump23** · 05-25-2004, 04:37 PM

while on? NO. you should really know this info if your gonna use m1t

**benchpress** · 05-25-2004, 04:51 PM

i wouldn't, but if you're afraid of estrogen........do so. you don't want to minimize estrogen while on a cycle cuz it does indeed help with anabolism. introduce estrogen blockers towards the end of the cycle or if your nips become tender. i'd recommend efa's, lots of water, anti-ox while on m-1

**JordacheJeans** · 05-25-2004, 05:53 PM

m1t is not supposed to aromatize.

**will-work4ANDRO** · 06-08-2004, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by JordacheJeans
m1t is not supposed to aromatize.

it isn't supposed to but the way i look at is like this. anytime you raise your testosterone level, it is only natural for estrogen to raise with it. so when companies say that it doesn't aromatize, i wouldn't believe it.

**Jedi Master** · 06-08-2004, 12:16 PM

Yes it does aromatize-- to methyl-estradiol, which is like the worst form of estrogen.

**attractor** · 06-08-2004, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Master
Yes it does aromatize-- to methyl-estradiol, which is like the worst form of estrogen.

Is that a serious reply?

**Jedi Master** · 06-08-2004, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by attractor
Is that a serious reply?

Well according to William Llewllyn M1T will convert also to methyl estradiol.

**wonton** · 06-08-2004, 02:04 PM

thats some magical chemistry

**legalgear** · 06-08-2004, 02:15 PM

How does he figure that it converts to Methyl Estrogen? No pathway exists for that. It is possible, but highly unlikely.

E

**Jedi Master** · 06-08-2004, 02:35 PM

eric

there was a guy on anabolicminds forum who was taking your M1T and started to lactate a couple weeks into his cycle. Yes he didnt have nolvadex handy, shame on him, but he did get a nice case of gyno, and to boot he can now milk himself!!

**legalgear** · 06-08-2004, 02:41 PM

Dude, I am not buying that one, but there have been stranger things that have happened I suppose. I am not really thinking that one is accurate just from M1T though. Urban legend strikes again...

Have him post a picture of his lactating breasts so we can confirm.

Well, we have sold quite a few bottles as have many others and I am not sure anyone else lactated, but ok.

You know some people post under assumed names on these boards and multiple times. Just food for thought.

E

**iwannagetbig** · 06-08-2004, 02:58 PM

hey eric, if and when the ban is fully enforced will it be like the ephedra ban where you can sell the remaining products you have produced but cannot continue to make the product. I am jsut wondering this because I just got out of college for the summer and havent found a summer job and wont prolly have the money for a cycle until the end of june. Im only 20 so Im gonna save the cycle untill this winter when I start up my bulking cycle. Heres where my other question comes in. Will your 4-ad transdermal still be potent and good around feb./march of next year ?

**blackta** · 06-08-2004, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by legalgear

Have him post a picture of his lactating breasts so we can confirm.
E

Wouldn't confirm anything. Isn't the internet great? Half the **** you see is like scribblings on a bathroom wall yet people believe it. Kind of like "Joanie is a slut, call her at...."
Way too many people talking way too much **** they know nothing about.

**legalgear** · 06-08-2004, 03:00 PM

No, absolutely not. If the ban goes through soon, we all have to stop selling immediately. Now, it will be illegal to posses these items, so you must destroy them if you have them like I will. Just so you know.

E

**iwannagetbig** · 06-08-2004, 03:10 PM

Will the 4-ad trandermal you sell last untill feb/march of next year ?

**legalgear** · 06-08-2004, 03:24 PM

Yeah, should be no problem to store in the fridge or a cool place.

E

**Jedi Master** · 06-08-2004, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by legalgear
Dude, I am not buying that one, but there have been stranger things that have happened I suppose. I am not really thinking that one is accurate just from M1T though. Urban legend strikes again...

Have him post a picture of his lactating breasts so we can confirm.

Well, we have sold quite a few bottles as have many others and I am not sure anyone else lactated, but ok.

You know some people post under assumed names on these boards and multiple times. Just food for thought.

E

do you think I made that up go look at am site..

**legalgear** · 06-08-2004, 03:32 PM

Not you bro, I was saying that people will make **** up to discredit people they don't like. We are not well liked on AM and Methyl Technologies is the M1T of choice there. Why ours, why now? Seriously, you just have to trust me on this, people on here have hidden agenda's all of the time.

E

**Jedi Master** · 06-08-2004, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by legalgear
Not you bro, I was saying that people will make **** up to discredit people they don't like. We are not well liked on AM and Methyl Technologies is the M1T of choice there. Why ours, why now? Seriously, you just have to trust me on this, people on here have hidden agenda's all of the time.

E

http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=12910

**LHDan** · 06-08-2004, 03:58 PM

Well, this thread should have been put to rest a while ago, the guy is only 18. So he shouldn't even be touching M1T.

**wonton** · 06-08-2004, 05:38 PM

just to clear this up, the mechanism by which m1t causes gyno isn't known yet, and i've read of a few cases in which nolvadex was of no help, and a few in which it was. this could indicate elevated progesterone or prolactin due to m1t use in some users.

anyway, whatever, this thread is over

**legalgear** · 06-08-2004, 05:52 PM

Well, what would make us believe that it is progestational? I am not saying it isn't possible, but most of the people experience no issues. For example I am not saying either way, but I have been experiencing more3 estrogenic signs out of no where both on and off a PH cycle. Perhaps I am now more sensitive to estrogen than before. I don't claim to know the answer, but I am not even talking about being on M1T. Things illicit strange results in the body and for different reasons.

E

**wonton** · 06-08-2004, 06:30 PM

i agree, the prevalence of gyno among m1t is much lower than many other prohormones. and for anyone having doubts about legalgear m1t from reading the thread, check the review section, feedback is excellent, its a solid product.

i was just making a point that m1t is stil very new, and it would be foolish to make assumptions at this point. i hope more people go get their blood tested so we have a better idea of how it effects certain hormones. im definitely going to do that next time i go on cycle.

**legalgear** · 06-08-2004, 06:32 PM

This **** is all sort of unknown because everyone's body is different. I think that is at the root of many people's issues. Happens with all products.

E

**Redbrave** · 06-08-2004, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by legalgear
I have been experiencing more3 estrogenic signs out of no where both on and off a PH cycle. Perhaps I am now more sensitive to estrogen than before.
E

I don't know much, but I have read of possible "up-regulation" of estrogen receptors possibly caused by long term use of anti-estrogens.

**legalgear** · 06-09-2004, 03:20 AM

Interesting theory... might have some merit. I will have to ask Seth about it.

**Reem** · 06-09-2004, 05:47 AM

Well, to me it was very obvious that M1T caused sore nipples on me, 1 week after starting taking it. I don't know what hormone caused it but all I know is that Nolva got rid of the starting gyno symptoms.

So either it's directly conversion to estrogen (which manufacturers say doesnt happen with M1T) or it's the higher estogen level the own body makes due to test levels being a lot higher or M1T somehow stimulates progesterone.

Would be nice to know which one happens and exactly how.... but what I know for sure from my own experience is that M1T definately has the possibility to cause gyno.

**Redbrave** · 06-09-2004, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by Reem
So either it's directly conversion to estrogen (which manufacturers say doesnt happen with M1T) or it's the higher estogen level the own body makes due to test levels being a lot higher or M1T somehow stimulates progesterone... M1T definately has the possibility to cause gyno.

Good points. I am doing research, but it appears that Progesterone could be a greater evil than estrogen for men. Too much Estrogen is definately a bad thing, but I think progesterone more aggressively causes gyno.

The more powerful (androgenic) PH's get the more aggresively the body fights them.

**da_man0r** · 09-11-2004, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by legalgear

Dude, I am not buying that one, but there have been stranger things that have happened I suppose. I am not really thinking that one is accurate just from M1T though. Urban legend strikes again...

Have him post a picture of his lactating breasts so we can confirm.

Well, we have sold quite a few bottles as have many others and I am not sure anyone else lactated, but ok.

You know some people post under assumed names on these boards and multiple times. Just food for thought.

E

I lactated.
3 other people on my messenger list took m1t and lactated.

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