Don't take IDS mass tabs !! ( gout )

[tapyouout]

OK, please read this!....go back and look at any previous post of mine about mass tabs...it was all positive as far as results go....BUT HERE GOES!!

when i got off of them, i started my post cycle tabs..but right when i got off of them, i started experiencing kidney pains...then BAM, i have gout in my left foot!...i don't drink alcohol, eat hardly any sugar, and my diet is really clean....gout does not run in my family and i am only 30...i went straight to the dr....he said the product ****ed up my kidney's causing a build up of uric acid..which leads to gout...i was not taking too much protein so that was definately not it....so i know for a fact mass tabs caused the problem....YES the product give you strength and size...but if it ****ed me up for life at the age of 30 (when i was doing all my diet and exercise right), it will certainly mess others up...i will post this on other threads as well...some will laugh at this and say i am way off base..but as i said, i have been to the dr. and spoken with others on the subject....i am not claiming to know everyting but i stand behind what i say...and as i said to start this post, this was my first neg. post about mass tabs...i never claimed that they did not make you bigger or stronger....the sad thing is that this post will probably still not sway the opinions of those that want a quick legal result...people will continue to be curious and take them...all i can say is good luck!!

[terracotta]

not sure about their mass tabs.. but IDS has failed a bunch of label claims. See www.****************.com and their forums for more info.

[leonidas300]

Originally Posted by tapyouout

OK, please read this!....go back and look at any previous post of mine about mass tabs...it was all positive as far as results go....BUT HERE GOES!!

when i got off of them, i started my post cycle tabs..but right when i got off of them, i started experiencing kidney pains...then BAM, i have gout in my left foot!...i don't drink alcohol, eat hardly any sugar, and my diet is really clean....gout does not run in my family and i am only 30...i went straight to the dr....he said the product ****ed up my kidney's causing a build up of uric acid..which leads to gout...i was not taking too much protein so that was definately not it....so i know for a fact mass tabs caused the problem....YES the product give you strength and size...but if it ****ed me up for life at the age of 30 (when i was doing all my diet and exercise right), it will certainly mess others up...i will post this on other threads as well...some will laugh at this and say i am way off base..but as i said, i have been to the dr. and spoken with others on the subject....i am not claiming to know everyting but i stand behind what i say...and as i said to start this post, this was my first neg. post about mass tabs...i never claimed that they did not make you bigger or stronger....the sad thing is that this post will probably still not sway the opinions of those that want a quick legal result...people will continue to be curious and take them...all i can say is good luck!!

You may want to contact an attorney about possible legal action, personally I believe you have a strong products liability claim and IDS deserves to have the pants sued off of them.

[tapyouout]

you are right...i have already spoken to my friend who is an attorney...part of me thinks i was a fool though...i had read negatives about the product...but mainly just how it was harsh on the liver....i figured i would try it a month and take milk thistle with it...never once thought about the kidney's...so time will tell...i went back to the dr. yesterday to have more blood work done..hopefully, it's not gonna be a big deal...i won't have to change anything about my diet...i will just have to cut out red meat...i mainly eat chicken anyways....but you are right, i am seriously gonna think about legal action if i have get the "proof" i need

[creativedesignz]

honestly it sounds like you didnt drink enough water, didnt research the compound enough, and dont even know what a proper on cycle as well as post cycle treatment consists of. as bad as this sounds it was probably due to lack of you not knowing what the hell you were doing.

Edit: i read that you didnt eat alot of protein shaked while on cycle...real smart... your case would suck, just as much as your pct

[leonidas300]

Originally Posted by creativedesignz

honestly it sounds like you didnt drink enough water, didnt research the compound enough, and dont even know what a proper on cycle as well as post cycle treatment consists of. as bad as this sounds it was probably due to lack of you not knowing what the hell you were doing.

Edit: i read that you didnt eat alot of protein shaked while on cycle...real smart... your case would suck, just as much as your pct

Orly, read the back of the box on Mass Tabs, that is the warning label the courts would base a decision on. The burden is on the company to put a sufficient warning label on the box so the customer is forewarned, not the other way around so you are completely wrong. When you pass a bar exam and win a couple of cases come back and argue with me.

[Hammer04]

IDS is a shady ass company i would never buy there ****

[creativedesignz]

Originally Posted by leonidas300

Orly, read the back of the box on Mass Tabs, that is the warning label the courts would base a decision on. The burden is on the company to put a sufficient warning label on the box so the customer is forewarned, not the other way around so you are completely wrong. When you pass a bar exam and win a couple of cases come back and argue with me.

then how come no1 has sued anabolic extreme for all the delayed gyno cases...there is no way to prove that the mass tabs are directly correlated to him getting the gout. if u passed your bar and won a few cases then u should represent this man, and well see the outcome of it...

[leonidas300]

Originally Posted by creativedesignz

then how come no1 has sued anabolic extreme for all the delayed gyno cases...there is no way to prove that the mass tabs are directly correlated to him getting the gout. if u passed your bar and won a few cases then u should represent this man, and well see the outcome of it...

If he lives in an area where I am admitted I would, do you live in NY or KY, I like states that have Y in the abbreviations.

The delayed gyno is next to impossible to prove, plus gyno is purely cosmetic and reversible so there is no money in a case like that. I will lower my standards, when you finish college in something other than communications of PE, then you can argue with me

[skinny buckeye]

Originally Posted by tapyouout

OK, please read this!....go back and look at any previous post of mine about mass tabs...it was all positive as far as results go....BUT HERE GOES!!

when i got off of them, i started my post cycle tabs..but right when i got off of them, i started experiencing kidney pains...then BAM, i have gout in my left foot!...i don't drink alcohol, eat hardly any sugar, and my diet is really clean....gout does not run in my family and i am only 30...i went straight to the dr....he said the product ****ed up my kidney's causing a build up of uric acid..which leads to gout...i was not taking too much protein so that was definately not it....so i know for a fact mass tabs caused the problem....YES the product give you strength and size...but if it ****ed me up for life at the age of 30 (when i was doing all my diet and exercise right), it will certainly mess others up...i will post this on other threads as well...some will laugh at this and say i am way off base..but as i said, i have been to the dr. and spoken with others on the subject....i am not claiming to know everyting but i stand behind what i say...and as i said to start this post, this was my first neg. post about mass tabs...i never claimed that they did not make you bigger or stronger....the sad thing is that this post will probably still not sway the opinions of those that want a quick legal result...people will continue to be curious and take them...all i can say is good luck!!

Very Interesting. did you see any symptoms prior to the gout? Does the Doc say your kidney function will return with rest?

I'm starting to think that these methyls are too toxic to roll the dice with. Legal, yes but without Kidneys and a liver you cant do much. Thanks for the heads up. Good luck.

[creativedesignz]

haha i was in no way trying to be a prick to you, i live in NJ sorry to dissapoint you. I just dont think that mass tabs can be correlated with the gout. If you want to go there u might as well say that superdrol raises your bad cholesterol so much that u get heart disease. Wouldnt that be the same type of thing? since these arent regulated by the FDA i dont think that there is enough scientific backing to prove that gout was caused by the mass tabs and it was purely coincidental.

[leonidas300]

Originally Posted by creativedesignz

haha i was in no way trying to be a prick to you, i live in NJ sorry to dissapoint you. I just dont think that mass tabs can be correlated with the gout. If you want to go there u might as well say that superdrol raises your bad cholesterol so much that u get heart disease. Wouldnt that be the same type of thing? since these arent regulated by the FDA i dont think that there is enough scientific backing to prove that gout was caused by the mass tabs and it was purely coincidental.

Yeah I act like an ass sometimes, I apologize I acted silly. Gout usually occurs because of breakdowns in the kidneys ability to process Uric Acird and we all know the damage that methylated steroids due to kidneys. Well we of bb.com due, but there is no such warning lable on the bottle that even suggest that these things are dangerous at all. They sell these Mass Tabs at my local gym and while it is recommended for 21+, I have seen several young kids purchase them. This is just the most gross irresponsibility on the part of IDS. PEople should not have to visit a web forum and spend hours on the internet to eve discover that the substance is dangerous, that should be apparent on the purchased product.

[creativedesignz]

ahh gotcha, so from my understanding the labels lack the information on how dangerous it is, or do they just flat out lie about it, or a combination of both?

[tapyouout]

Originally Posted by creativedesignz

honestly it sounds like you didnt drink enough water, didnt research the compound enough, and dont even know what a proper on cycle as well as post cycle treatment consists of. as bad as this sounds it was probably due to lack of you not knowing what the hell you were doing.

Edit: i read that you didnt eat alot of protein shaked while on cycle...real smart... your case would suck, just as much as your pct

YES, i drank plenty of water...in fact, that's mostly all i drink and i drink lots of it...so that is definately not the case...i did not over eat either....i take in an average of 225g of protein a day...that is considered a healthy amount...so i am not quite sure where you are coming from there...and as far as research, the product was fairly new....once i began the cycle, the only thing that was being talked about on here was about the liver....so i took milk thistle the entire time.......as for pct, i am taking the IDS post cycle tabs....if the company is not wrong, then their post cycle product should work to right???.....so we shall see about that....so for you to not really know much about what i was doing before and after, you sure like to talk down to people

[creativedesignz]

i misread the fact about u saying u werent taking in "too much protein" im 165 pounds and take in almost double what u take in on a daily basis while ur on a cycle. How much is plenty of water? 2 gallons? Anabolic extreme as well as other companies like gaspari made PH's with these bullcrap PCT supps to buy in conjunction with them, its called marketing. Apparently i know a hell of alot more than you since ur the one who only took milk thistle while on cycle. you should get some blood work done asap to have all your values checked, and some nolva or clomid for pct

[Beef27]

Man this creativedickhead kid is an arse! He knows so much that I guess he is allowed to speak to others in a derogatory way. CD, nothing personal bro....but you are a d+ck.

[m1212]

Originally Posted by terracotta

not sure about their mass tabs.. but IDS has failed a bunch of label claims. See www.****************.com and their forums for more info.

I have never seen that site before but definetely plan on spending more time when i get a chance. The local Smoothie King where i live is selling Sostenol 250 and Mass Tabs to anyone 18 yrs or older!!! No mention of PCT or anything. Consider yourself lucky i'm sure some kid is going to end up with more problems than you

[tapyouout]

Originally Posted by creativedesignz

i misread the fact about u saying u werent taking in "too much protein" im 165 pounds and take in almost double what u take in on a daily basis while ur on a cycle. How much is plenty of water? 2 gallons? Anabolic extreme as well as other companies like gaspari made PH's with these bullcrap PCT supps to buy in conjunction with them, its called marketing. Apparently i know a hell of alot more than you since ur the one who only took milk thistle while on cycle. you should get some blood work done asap to have all your values checked, and some nolva or clomid for pct

what you seem to be missing here is i did not know it was a "steroid"...when i bought it, i thought it was a test booster....after i started it, i noticed immediate results..i started reading up on it and heard it being compared to superdrol....i read that taking milk thistle while on it would be a good idea to help with my liver....i am the type of person that is used to only taking the basics...i don't have access to all this other pct stuff you talk about...yeah, i am sure there are ways of finding it...but i talked to a local guy that does alot of gear and he said the ids pct was not that bad for what i took and the fact i only took a 4 week cycle....not saying he knows everything..but who's to say you do either...what f'n kills me is this site is supposed to be informative....not a place to people to talk down to you....ofcourse it's ok to do that i guess if someone is being a retard....the end result is i took something i should not have taken and i am suffering the consequences now....as far as blood tests go, i took one this past tuesday and i should get my results tomorrow or the next day (hopefully)...so please, enough with the cheap shots....i am too old to try and argue with you about how i could kick you ass and stuff like that..it's pointless....but thanks to anyone that does have something to offer to this conversation...and no offense to you either even though you said what you said...i will post my blood test results when i get them

[Dahon]

Is your Gout Permanent? Can it be reversed? What is Gout exactly?

[creativedesignz]

not trying to be a dickhead, but its people who are uneducated like yourself who make these supplements illegal...juss sayin. that pct treatment u have lined up is no good, you need a serm not an AI. you can read up on this site all you want and you will find that i am right, research superdrol for dummies, or an M1T for dummies thread and see what i mean. Those mass tabs are probably one of the most harshest over the counter orals available right now.

[ZDub212]

Originally Posted by creativedesignz

not trying to be a dickhead, but its people who are uneducated like yourself who make these supplements illegal...juss sayin. that pct treatment u have lined up is no good, you need a serm not an AI

Proprietary Mass Tabs Blend: 87,000 mcg
Kudzo Extract 40%, Trifolium pratense extract 8%, Fenugreek Seed Powder, Tribulus Terrestris Extract 40%, Stenbolone(tm), Avena Sativa Extract 10:1, Pygeum Africanum Bark Extract 4:1, Milk Thistle, Maca Powder Extract .6%, Epimedium Leaf, Bacopa Monniera Extract 4:1, Rhodiola Rosea 3%, Nettle Leaf Powder.

Natural Ingredients Formulated To Assist In Muscle Growth!
Mass Tabs is designed with pharmaceutical grade natural ingredients to assist in muscle growth and strength when combined with adequate protein intake and strength training.

This is my problem with the IDS marketing. It says it's a natural formula, and they hide the main active in with a bunch of herbals. This is misleading and can lead people to hurt themselves, like the OP did. It's this type of marketing that is runing the supplement industry, and can ultimately bring the FDA in...and if the FDA comes in, then prices could skyrocket and products that are safe when used properly could be banned.

[Nathan1]

I got strep throat from the strap.

[creativedesignz]

i agree with you zach, but when one does anything such as putting a foreign substance in their body a proper amount of research should be done. its clear that it wasnt done here and this was a situation that could have been easily avoided

[ZDub212]

Originally Posted by creativedesignz

i agree with you zach, but when one does anything such as putting a foreign substance in their body a proper amount of research should be done. its clear that it wasnt done here and this was a situation that could have been easily avoided

I fully agree with you here, but unfortunately, many people will overlook the Sten in this...and will take it anyway. Also, people put trust (Blindly albeit) in products when they have the "natural" claim. Many people will continue to take supplements like this until someone gets seriously hurt, and then the hammer will drop.

[klicknack]

i agree with u guys 100%..ive thought about takin them and i decided not to thanks to some forums like this,but the majority of people r to curious like u said..its prob the most popular supplement in high school at least were im from..

[tapyouout]

Originally Posted by ZacharyMills

I fully agree with you here, but unfortunately, many people will overlook the Sten in this...and will take it anyway. Also, people put trust (Blindly albeit) in products when they have the "natural" claim. Many people will continue to take supplements like this until someone gets seriously hurt, and then the hammer will drop.

exactly!...i am not an f'n scientist that can break down every aspect of a supplement..i knew lots of local guys around here that took it and got great results...they had no problems....after knowing that combined with the fact i read to take milk thistle with it, i thought i had it all worked out....i have NEVER read anything about gout in a mass tabs thread...so sorry for not being psychic and knowing about this in advance....my blood test results came back and this is the deal

the dr. said it might not flare back up...he said i had abnormal amounts of uric acid causing it...but my 2nd test showed a normal level....so he said it might have been some fluke thing that it happened.....IF i get another flare up, i am going to a specialist right away to see what the deal is....so as of now, i am hoping everything is fine....it's just confusing to me because gout is supposedly not curable...one minute the dr. tells me i have it and the next, he says i don't....for all i know, it might be tendonitis..i am gonna definately get a 2nd opinion if it comes back....but no matter what i have, i am not taking anything like this again

[ProWrestleFan]

O.P. Here is a post that you made in an IDS thread I started.....

Originally Posted by tapyouout

i love them so far...people keep talking about using clomid and nolvadex....ids offers a pct for the mass tabs...anyone tried them?..i was just gonna use them when my cycle of these mass tabs are over

It clearly shows that you began taking Mass Tabs before you even had your PCT figured out... So anything you have said about POSSIBLY researching ANYTHING can just be thrown out now....

BTW... I am on a IDS V-50 cycle right now with JW. I have a PCT figured out.

[tapyouout]

people like you kill me...the product is over the counter..it was supposed to be a test booster just like all the other ones....the ids post cycle tabs are designed to be taken right after so i had already had that pct lined up...not to mention dip ****, the gout occurred before the pct...so it did not matter what i would have had lined up....so before you have your opinions, ask the right questions or just read a little

[ctgblue]

considering that I went through 2 boxes of this with good results and no side effects, I am sorry to say, but I doubt it was just the mass tabs

[TM08]

After a cycle of mass tabs would a product like 6-oxo be enough for pct? Or perhaps the IDS post cycle tabs.