Polygraph testing?

[Antoine]

whats that? how does it work?

[jayvee]

Originally posted by Antoine
whats that? how does it work?

lie detector test/polygraph - same thing bro..

[ShaneG85]

They hook you up to a machine to see if you have used banned substances or tried to cheat to get past the lie detector test. If you are nervous, it won't matter. It only picks up if you are trying to hide something. You won't be able to "forget" what you have taken in the past because the person has you go through EVERYTHING you have taken and you will remember if you have taken banned substances. Then a fight or flight response occurs in your brain and the lie detector will pick that up and not the nervousness if it is present.

Shane

[jayvee]

this is just for anyone who may know how accurate lie detector tests are, but how would this go : say you were doing a tested show, but said to whoever it is that could supply you with gear - 'give me whatever you think, but just dont at any stage tell me what you gave/given me'. then when they ask you in the test if youve taken any illegal substances, you say 'iv'e taken something, but dont know what - it couldve been a caffeine tablet for all i know'. how would your reading come out? theoretically you havent lied, and actually dont know what youve taken. even if you were really honest, and said you suspected you took something illegal, you still wouldnt know exacly what you took, or how much. so they really couldnt prove it..

if someone that knows alot more than me about polygraph testing could give a bit of an insight on this, itd be greatly appreciated...

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by jayvee
this is just for anyone who may know how accurate lie detector tests are, but how would this go : say you were doing a tested show, but said to whoever it is that could supply you with gear - 'give me whatever you think, but just dont at any stage tell me what you gave/given me'. then when they ask you in the test if youve taken any illegal substances, you say 'iv'e taken something, but dont know what - it couldve been a caffeine tablet for all i know'. how would your reading come out? theoretically you havent lied, and actually dont know what youve taken. even if you were really honest, and said you suspected you took something illegal, you still wouldnt know exacly what you took, or how much. so they really couldnt prove it..

if someone that knows alot more than me about polygraph testing could give a bit of an insight on this, itd be greatly appreciated...

they ask you yes/no questions. This would not work

[simzy]

is it possible to cheat a polygraph?

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by simzy
is it possible to cheat a polygraph?

yes, and i'm sure some punk asses do to get admitted into natural contests when they are on drugs... pussies

[jayvee]

Originally posted by str8flexed
they ask you yes/no questions. This would not work

ok, fair enough - ive never had one done, so i thought they may go into more detail. ive only seen urine tests - less expensive, and even those have been done rarely. the main reason im interested, is that like you, i think people who take gear then compete in a 'naturals' show, are f***ing tossers. however, with the natural comps ive been involved in, its blatantly obvious 70% plus of the guys are taking stuff, which bites big time. i guess if they get polygraphed, they could use the ol' thumb tack in the shoe routine - and for urine tests, they can go and get their blood cleansed. f***ing retards. why they wouldnt just compete in a non drug tested show is beyond me...

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by jayvee
ok, fair enough - ive never had one done, so i thought they may go into more detail. ive only seen urine tests - less expensive, and even those have been done rarely. the main reason im interested, is that like you, i think people who take gear then compete in a 'naturals' show, are f***ing tossers. however, with the natural comps ive been involved in, its blatantly obvious 70% plus of the guys are taking stuff, which bites big time. i guess if they get polygraphed, they could use the ol' thumb tack in the shoe routine - and for urine tests, they can go and get their blood cleansed. f***ing retards. why they wouldnt just compete in a non drug tested show is beyond me...

how is it blatently obvious who is juicing? B/c they are bigger than you? Now i'm sure there are some cheaters but you sound like someone who is just bitter

[f34r]

http://www.howstuffworks.com/lie-detector.htm

There you go.

[jayvee]

Originally posted by str8flexed
how is it blatently obvious who is juicing? B/c they are bigger than you? Now i'm sure there are some cheaters but you sound like someone who is just bitter

im not bitter at all. im not against using gear. i AM however against using performance enhancing stuff in a drug tested show, when there are other competitions that are non drug tested that people could enter. i have no dramas if the guys are bigger than me - you dont know me or my physique at all, so comments like that dont interest me in the slightest. i have had quite a bit to do with natural comps - there are some good guys that are indeed natural. however, unless they are genetic freaks - and these people are a bit rarer than the amount i see - with the comps ive been involved in, many of the guys have dense, soild muscle, funnily enough keeping full in the face, and have won classes and the overalls in non drug tested show the week before. funny also, that 90% of these guys, i know for a fact, have not been able to go to the nationals the following week, because, lo and behold, theyve tested positive in the drug test. and one guy that didnt test positive, had actually been to the doctors a week earlier, to get his blood cleansed - im sure that was just to make him 'feel healthy'.

i have indeed competed, and have been very happy with my condition. i know many promoters, and am quite involved with many athletes both natural and non natural, so yes, i do indeed know the difference between the two, and who responds to what. i am not at all bitter, but frustrated with the state of 'natural bodybuilding'. so before you start spouting off at me like im some sort of highschooler, know that ive been quite involved in the sport, and i may actually have good evidence and reason to be disallusioned with the current state of the naturals. i really dont care how many posts youve had - moderator or not, your comment was like that of a child...

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by jayvee
im not bitter at all. im not against using gear. i AM however against using performance enhancing stuff in a drug tested show, when there are other competitions that are non drug tested that people could enter. i have no dramas if the guys are bigger than me - you dont know me or my physique at all, so comments like that dont interest me in the slightest. i have had quite a bit to do with natural comps - there are some good guys that are indeed natural. however, unless they are genetic freaks - and these people are a bit rarer than the amount i see - with the comps ive been involved in, many of the guys have dense, soild muscle, funnily enough keeping full in the face, and have won classes and the overalls in non drug tested show the week before. funny also, that 90% of these guys, i know for a fact, have not been able to go to the nationals the following week, because, lo and behold, theyve tested positive in the drug test. and one guy that didnt test positive, had actually been to the doctors a week earlier, to get his blood cleansed - im sure that was just to make him 'feel healthy'.

i have indeed competed, and have been very happy with my condition. i know many promoters, and am quite involved with many athletes both natural and non natural, so yes, i do indeed know the difference between the two, and who responds to what. i am not at all bitter, but frustrated with the state of 'natural bodybuilding'. so before you start spouting off at me like im some sort of highschooler, know that ive been quite involved in the sport, and i may actually have good evidence and reason to be disallusioned with the current state of the naturals. i really dont care how many posts youve had - moderator or not, your comment was like that of a child...

I don't really care what you think of my comment. I agree that cheating and entering a show is terrible... but I hate it when people accuse others without proof, hell I've been accussed before and I hate that ****.

[jayvee]

interesting that i actually agreed with your original comments - youve gone and called them 'punk asses' and 'pussies', and ive agreed, yet somehow im bitter and youre not. if they are accused without proof, then i agree with you its wrong. iv'e been accused of it too. but im saying what i am from experience, and knowing many guys that have failed drug tests, and are not at all natural. i commented on and have no respect for your comment because you have no idea on my physique or experience in the sport. being a moderator gives you no rite to judge.

[str8flexed]

if someone fails a drug test that is different... I don't recall reading that in your origional post.

i really don't care about your physique (no offense) your comments just sounded embittered to me.

[ShaneG85]

Originally posted by jayvee
im not bitter at all. im not against using gear. i AM however against using performance enhancing stuff in a drug tested show, when there are other competitions that are non drug tested that people could enter. i have no dramas if the guys are bigger than me - you dont know me or my physique at all, so comments like that dont interest me in the slightest. i have had quite a bit to do with natural comps - there are some good guys that are indeed natural. however, unless they are genetic freaks - and these people are a bit rarer than the amount i see - with the comps ive been involved in, many of the guys have dense, soild muscle, funnily enough keeping full in the face, and have won classes and the overalls in non drug tested show the week before. funny also, that 90% of these guys, i know for a fact, have not been able to go to the nationals the following week, because, lo and behold, theyve tested positive in the drug test. and one guy that didnt test positive, had actually been to the doctors a week earlier, to get his blood cleansed - im sure that was just to make him 'feel healthy'.

i have indeed competed, and have been very happy with my condition. i know many promoters, and am quite involved with many athletes both natural and non natural, so yes, i do indeed know the difference between the two, and who responds to what. i am not at all bitter, but frustrated with the state of 'natural bodybuilding'. so before you start spouting off at me like im some sort of highschooler, know that ive been quite involved in the sport, and i may actually have good evidence and reason to be disallusioned with the current state of the naturals. i really dont care how many posts youve had - moderator or not, your comment was like that of a child...

What organizations are you talking about? Be more specific.

Shane

[simzy]

what happens in a polygraph? what do they ask you?

[Antoine]

i never took one, but in a tested contest, it would probally be like :


"Do you have taken any illegal drugs in the past 3 months?"

and you have to answer yes or no


Shane did a polygraph test for his wisconsin comp, he could answer better.

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by simzy
what happens in a polygraph? what do they ask you?

have you taken blah blah blah

have you ever blah blah blah

if you could lie on this test and get away with it, would you?

stuff like that

[Hardcore Natural]

Originally posted by str8flexed
I agree that cheating and entering a show is terrible... but I hate it when people accuse others without proof, hell I've been accussed before and I hate that ****.

I would take it as a compliment bro..and anyways, who cares what others think. The fact that you "hate that ****" shows that you are bitter about it. I too have been accused, and hey, I just take the attitude "I know I am natural, and if they want to believe otherwise, so be it". Who gives a **** what other think about you or others being natural or not.

[str8flexed]

well maybe i don't see it the way you do

[simzy]

Originally posted by str8flexed
have you taken blah blah blah

have you ever blah blah blah

if you could lie on this test and get away with it, would you?

stuff like that

that last one seems like a trick question, if you said yes but have not cheated because you know its cheating would you be alright?

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by simzy
that last one seems like a trick question, if you said yes but have not cheated because you know its cheating would you be alright?

no i suspect you wouldn't. B/c it would mean that you could have lied on the previous questions and were getting away with it

[simzy]

Originally posted by str8flexed
no i suspect you wouldn't. B/c it would mean that you could have lied on the previous questions and were getting away with it

so by saying no then that could be deemed as lying so you would fail, confusing?!!

[str8flexed]

I don't think so... by saying no.. you are saying you wouldn't cheat if you could get away with it

[f34r]

Is failing the test grounds for disqualification?

[str8flexed]

Originally posted by f34r
Is failing the test grounds for disqualification?

absolutely