Not Losing Fast Enough!

[turbo271]

I stated out taking regular thermogenics and got some results, but not enough.
I moved to the ECB stack (ephedrine, caffine, benedril for night time), and also got results but not enough.

I'm thinking about moving to liquid clen or even T3/T4.
What are the dosages for newbies?

[ScottC]

How about a good clean diet plan along with a good workout routine?

I am not being a smart mouth, but fat loss supps don't do squat without a good diet.

Also, what is too slow? How much are you losing? You don't want to go above a healthy loss unless you don't mind losing muscle too.

[jcrue11]

Originally Posted by ScottC

How about a good clean diet plan along with a good workout routine?

I am not being a smart mouth, but fat loss supps don't do squat without a good diet.

Also, what is too slow? How much are you losing? You don't want to go above a healthy loss unless you don't mind losing muscle too.

X2, what do you weigh in at right now? Where do you want to be? What's the timeframe? Diet is key and if it isn't in check you will have a harder time dropping fat.

[nithos]

What's "not fast enough"?

What are you current stats?

List the complete details of your diet and routine.

[Stigmatas]

what is your routine like?
and yes they are right, whats your diet look like?

[user8905438904904]

Originally Posted by turbo271

I stated out taking regular thermogenics and got some results, but not enough.
I moved to the ECB stack (ephedrine, caffine, benedril for night time), and also got results but not enough.

I'm thinking about moving to liquid clen or even T3/T4.
What are the dosages for newbies?

What up Dave, so you want to get rrrripped, jk seriously dosages for clenbuterol should start at 20 micros and taper up to 100 and then back down to 20 in cycles of 2 weeks like this
20/20/40/40/60/80/100/100/80/60/40/40/20/20
you can do the ECA stack on the 2 weeks off

as for the T3, IMO it should not be used without the aid of AAS for the fact that you will lose too much muscle

[|ceman]

Originally Posted by turbo271

I stated out taking regular thermogenics and got some results, but not enough.
I moved to the ECB stack (ephedrine, caffine, benedril for night time), and also got results but not enough.

I'm thinking about moving to liquid clen or even T3/T4.
What are the dosages for newbies?

If you are not getting results with an EC stack, then your diet needs help. Even without an EC stack, a good diet will result in weight loss. If your diet is in line, and you are taking an EC stack, the weight should be melting off you.

My suggestion is to look at your diet first before you pour more money out on supps and tax your system with stronger supplements. Sometimes all it is is a slight change in your macros that can make a big difference.

[turbo271]

my diet is fine its just the stuggle between losing fat and getting big. im trying to find where that happy medium is for me. because normally on a healthy diet, if your cutting, its impossible to get stronger because of the lack of calories you are intaking.


i know i can cut and diet properly, but i also want to get huge.

for current stats, check out my profile

[nithos]

Originally Posted by turbo271

my diet is fine

You would be amazed what some people think is a "fine" diet. Post it up.

Originally Posted by turbo271

its impossible to get stronger because of the lack of calories you are intaking.

You should be able to gain or at the very least maintain strength. Remember, strength and muscle mass are not dependant on eachother.

[|ceman]

Originally Posted by turbo271

my diet is fine

Post it and we'll see.....

If you are on an EC stack and not losing weight, then I can pretty much guarantee your diet is NOT fine. Unless you have some other serious health problems.

In either case, you should not be switching to more powerful supplements until you figure out why the EC stack is not working.

[turbo271]

i never said that it want working. its just not enough.
i havent lost any weight but but bf % has gone done some.

my diet consists of oatmeal and grain cereal, vegetables, chicken breast, and lots and lots of protein powder.

dont ask me how much my bf% went down becasue i dont know.
the only thing i know is that when i started, i was benching 315 at 210 lbs.
now i bench 350 easy and weigh 200. and honestly the main reason i'm losing fat and still gaining muscle is because the more mucsle i get the faster my matabolism works.

the ec is working but i just want more.

[|ceman]

Originally Posted by turbo271

my diet consists of oatmeal and grain cereal, vegetables, chicken breast, and lots and lots of protein powder.

There is such a thing as too much of a good thing.

Sounds like you have your mind made up, though.

[zaxx19]

....so your bench has gone up by 35 lbs...while youve lost 10...

but it isnt "happening fast enough" so you want permission to go on Clen...


This thread is the reason Roids are illegal and probably should always be without a doctors prescription.

A 23 year old contemplating steroid use.....thats pretty pathetic.

[|ceman]

Originally Posted by zaxx19

....so your bench has gone up by 35 lbs...while youve lost 10...

but it isnt "happening fast enough" so you want permission to go on Clen...


This thread is the reason Roids are illegal and probably should always be without a doctors prescription.

A 23 year old contemplating steroid use.....thats pretty pathetic.

Sadly, you're right.

Everybody's like.....oh sh*t, it's May. I need a six pack in a month!

Shoulda started in January.

[GP2001]

Dude just keep working at it, sounds like you've made good progress. Its def possible to build strength while cutting as well. You probably won't gain any mass, but you can def get stronger, and will look bigger thanks to the added definition. In the past 13 weeks I lost 30 pounds, and all of my lifts went up signifcantly. For example, my max bench was at 250, now its at 300. I don't use any extreme supplements ( all I use is my ON whey protein, fish oil capsules, and this past month starting using yerba mate ) I just have a good diet, and good workout routine. Hell, my diet could be better, I know it could, so these results could be slightly improved from what they already are. I think you should just continue as you are, cut, when you feel your cut enough, then bulk, and repeat. I know it sucks, and it would be nice to get cut, and big at the same time, but to do things safely, IMO both aren't going to happen at the same time. As i'm sure you've ready many times on here, bodybuilding is a lifestyle, the results won't happen overnight. Hard work, good nutrition and dedication are key to having the body you want. If you are missing any of those qualities, then your just not going to be pleased with your results, regardless of supplements.

[GP2001]

Originally Posted by little_dan

Everybody's like.....oh sh*t, it's May. I need a six pack in a month!

Shoulda started in January.

Soooooooooo true, too bad I started in february!!haha Oh well, much better than I was in february. Just gonna keep at it and do my best, what happens happens

[user8905438904904]

Sadly Your Wrong Because Clenbuterol Isnt "roids" Or Aas

[user8905438904904]

Yes, clen does have many sides and it can be harmful in the wrong hands but if somebody is going to do it, they are going to do it. You cant say a healthy diet is mor effeciant because it is not plain and simple, it is a mix between propper diet and supplimentation and in his case it is clen.

[|ceman]

Originally Posted by jimmyp3353

Sadly Your Wrong Because Clenbuterol Isnt "roids" Or Aas

I think he meant "pharma" grade supps in a general sense.

[user8905438904904]

clen is not necessarily pharm grade it can be purchased legaly through many chem research labs with no perscription but i know what u mean

[thundergut]

Best way to lose 15-20lbs of ugly fat overnight = decapitation or dismemberment.

If you like your life and limbs, get on the diet and the treadmill.

Sadly Your Wrong Because Clenbuterol Isnt "roids" Or Aas

Point 1:
As of fall, 2006, Clenbuterol is not an ingredient of any therapeutic drug approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, but is still used as an unproven slimming aid, and is now banned for IOC-tested athletes.

Point 2:
In September 2006 over 330 people in Shanghai were reported to have been poisoned by eating pork contaminated by Clenbuterol that had been fed to the animals to keep their meat lean.

Point 3:
Clenbuterol is a β2 adrenergic agonist with some similarities to ephedrine, but its effects are more potent and longer-lasting as a stimulant and thermogenic drug. It causes an increase in aerobic capacity, CNS stimulation, and an increase in blood pressure and oxygen transportation. It increases the rate at which fat and protein is used up in the body at the same time as slowing down the storage of glycogen. It is commonly used for smooth muscle relaxant properties. This means that it is a bronchodilator and tocolytic.

Point 4:
Clenbuterol is a drug prescribed to sufferers of breathing disorders as a decongestant and bronchodilator. People with chronic breathing disorders like asthma use this as a bronchodilator to make breathing easier. It is most commonly available in salt form as Clenbuterol hydrochloride. Clenbuterol is often mistaken for a steroid because of its illicit use in athletics.


As you can see in Point 4, it's not a formal " 'roid" but it is the next best thing. It's a prescription drug being abused for it's other properties. It's prescribed to people with breathing disorders.

However, Point 2 = toxic pork, or anything that causes toxic pork doesn't belong in my body.

And finally, I know I'm backtracking here, but Point 1 = unproven and banned. Often seen as a steroid because of it's illicit use in athletics.

For those of you in the TV viewing audience...

il ' lic ' it /ɪˈlɪsɪt/
adjective
1. not legally permitted or authorized; unlicensed; unlawful.
2. disapproved of or not permitted for moral or ethical reasons.
[Origin: 1645-55; < L illicitus. See il-2, licit]


So, in closing...Is it a steroid? No. Is it the next best thing? Yes. Is it meant to be used for cutting weight? No. If I obtain it for something unrelated to a severe breathing issue, is that an illegal prescription/use? Yes.

If you want to know about it, this probably isn't the place to find out about it.

And btw, Wikipedia ftw.

*my bad, edit because wiki formatting is teh sux*

[user8905438904904]

Originally Posted by thundergut

Best way to lose 15-20lbs of ugly fat overnight = decapitation or dismemberment.

If you like your life and limbs, get on the diet and the treadmill.



Point 1:
As of fall, 2006, Clenbuterol is not an ingredient of any therapeutic drug approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, but is still used as an unproven slimming aid, and is now banned for IOC-tested athletes.

Point 2:
In September 2006 over 330 people in Shanghai were reported to have been poisoned by eating pork contaminated by Clenbuterol that had been fed to the animals to keep their meat lean.

Point 3:
Clenbuterol is a β2 adrenergic agonist with some similarities to ephedrine, but its effects are more potent and longer-lasting as a stimulant and thermogenic drug. It causes an increase in aerobic capacity, CNS stimulation, and an increase in blood pressure and oxygen transportation. It increases the rate at which fat and protein is used up in the body at the same time as slowing down the storage of glycogen. It is commonly used for smooth muscle relaxant properties. This means that it is a bronchodilator and tocolytic.

Point 4:
Clenbuterol is a drug prescribed to sufferers of breathing disorders as a decongestant and bronchodilator. People with chronic breathing disorders like asthma use this as a bronchodilator to make breathing easier. It is most commonly available in salt form as Clenbuterol hydrochloride. Clenbuterol is often mistaken for a steroid because of its illicit use in athletics.


As you can see in Point 4, it's not a formal " 'roid" but it is the next best thing. It's a prescription drug being abused for it's other properties. It's prescribed to people with breathing disorders.

However, Point 2 = toxic pork, or anything that causes toxic pork doesn't belong in my body.

And finally, I know I'm backtracking here, but Point 1 = unproven and banned. Often seen as a steroid because of it's illicit use in athletics.

For those of you in the TV viewing audience...

il?lic?it /ɪˈlɪsɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-lis-it] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?adjective
1. not legally permitted or authorized; unlicensed; unlawful.
2. disapproved of or not permitted for moral or ethical reasons.
[Origin: 1645?55; < L illicitus. See il-2, licit]


So, in closing...Is it a steroid? No. Is it the next best thing? Yes. Is it meant to be used for cutting weight? No. If I obtain it for something unrelated to a severe breathing issue, is that an illegal prescription/use? Yes.

If you want to know about it, this probably isn't the place to find out about it.

And btw, Wikipedia ftw.

Whats your point, Clen IS legal to buy in the liquid form although not for human consumption. Clenbuteral and AAS have not the slightest bit to do with each other, its like a noob saying "i want to take a cycle af winstrol(IMO a very bad idea alone) so I can get cut" well, that aint gonna happen because no form of AAS is going to make you "cut" or lose weight. It is the things like clen or T3 that you take on cycle to make you shed bodyfat.

[thundergut]

Just pointing out that using it for an unintended purpose is still considered illicit, if not illegal.

You're saying you can get liquid clen that is meant for horses, but will help you shed weight.

I'm sure you could get horse steroids or horse tranquilizers too, but do you think that means they're legal and ok for you to consume?

While we're at it, I heard cocaine does wonders for your complexion. Now if I can get it, but I don't really want to use it for the drug high, is it perfectly legal for me to use it as a skin enhancer?

I'm just sayin, if the shoe fits...

[user8905438904904]

Although dont we all wish we could lose fat and get bigger at the same time. It just doesnt happen that way for the average person

[|ceman]

I think we can all agree that the OP needs to get a little more information before switching to a more aggressive supplement program.

Everything starts with diet. Everything.

[user8905438904904]

Clenbuterol isnt used for its intended purpose anymore. But I see your point, its harmful, now show me one study of clen being harmful or deadly when used propperly.

[user8905438904904]

Originally Posted by little_dan

I think we can all agree that the OP needs to get a little more information before switching to a more aggressive supplement program.

Everything starts with diet. Everything.

true, and on that note, im hungry

[thundergut]

Originally Posted by jimmyp3353

Clenbuterol isnt used for its intended purpose anymore. But I see your point, its harmful, now show me one study of clen being harmful or deadly when used propperly.

I didn't say it was harmful, I don't have any info on that. What I did say is that a drug being used for something other than it's intended use is being misused. The use that is being discussed is banned by the IOC. It caused harm indirectly in China via pork, so no telling what else was going on with the pork because it's not all strictly controlled (like the USDA in the states).

However, with it's effectiveness, don't you think it would be all over GNC, Vitamin Shoppe, etc... if it's intended use was weight loss? If it was freely available in a form safe for human consumption for that purpose?

[user8905438904904]

Originally Posted by thundergut

I didn't say it was harmful, I don't have any info on that. What I did say is that a drug being used for something other than it's intended use is being misused. The use that is being discussed is banned by the IOC. It caused harm indirectly in China via pork, so no telling what else was going on with the pork because it's not all strictly controlled (like the USDA in the states).

However, with it's effectiveness, don't you think it would be all over GNC, Vitamin Shoppe, etc... if it's intended use was weight loss? If it was freely available in a form safe for human consumption for that purpose?

true, i know too many people that live by the theory more is better when it comes to suppliments, could you imagine GNC boy. "well, i started with 100 micros a day and i didnt think my hands were shaking enough so i figured it wasnt working, so i changed it to 500 micros a day"

[thundergut]

I agree with you 100% that I'd rather someone ask for info than try to experiment with a "more is better" attitude. All I was nitpicking is the drug itself and the "categories" it was being given. Is it a 'roid? Is it not a 'roid?

It's as close to being a steroid as a loafer is to being a shoe. Is it a shoe, yes. But does anybody call it a shoe? No, because it's a loafer.

Anybody who wears a loafer and expects it to perform like a tennis shoe deserves to get dunked on or outran. However, it is a shoe at it's core. It covers the foot, etc...but it's still not called a shoe per-se.

Much like Clen. It's not technically a steroid, but it performs the same purpose. That's all I was putting my 2 cents in on.

Are you going to tell your buddies that you wore loafers to the basketball court?
Are you going to tell your doctor that you're taking horse ephedrine, you bought it at a local feed store, and you're self-medicating?