Michael Moore

[Ak47]

Who likes him? I'm reading his first book right now (i think it was his first) Stupid White Men. So far its really good; his writing may be biased but it is still factual (a lot more than some of this **** people dig up on the forums). He's got a great sense of humor and can make some of the less interesting topics more exciting IMO. Anyone else read his books or anything?

[Jimineye]

I think Micheal Moore is an idiot.

[Reborn79]

Originally posted by Ak47
Who likes him? I'm reading his first book right now (i think it was his first) Stupid White Men. So far its really good; his writing may be biased but it is still factual (a lot more than some of this **** people dig up on the forums). He's got a great sense of humor and can make some of the less interesting topics more exciting IMO. Anyone else read his books or anything?

I've read 'Stupid White Men' and 'Dude, Where's My Country?' Both are good books. I also really liked Bowling for Columbine (haven't seen 'Roger and Me' yet). I agree with his views, and especially enjoy how he pisses conservatives off so much.

Edit: I also went to one of his rallies in Portland last October...thousands of people were there, and it was really cool. If he ever comes to a town near you I'd suggest you go.

[mariners216]

I loved Stupid White Men, thought Dude, Where's My Country? was pretty good also. Bowling For Columbine was very interesting.

In short I'm a big fan.

[Starsky]

"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy". They are the Revolution, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow...and they will win".
-Michael Moore


They should drop this worthless tub of lard to the soldiers in Fallujah.

[rookejr]

Too bad if you do any research on his work you will see that it is anything but factual. That is the problem with people that read his stuff. They think its all true and they're like, "Oh my god, he's so right. America does suck" But then if you research any of it, its all BS. Somebody posted a link a while back to a site that takes Bowling for Columbine piece by piece and disproves what seems like every point he makes, as well as pointing out shading editing and outright lies in his movie. People, you need to start thinking for yourselves, or at least researching the crap that you read.

[Heavily Armed]

Originally posted by Starsky
"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy". They are the Revolution, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow...and they will win".
-Michael Moore


They should drop this worthless tub of lard to the soldiers in Fallujah.

Moore sounds like a marxist moron.

[LordNeon]

I'd like to be mad at him for being loose with the facts a lot, but he's entertaining and has such a knack for pissing off mindless conservative Hannity-worshipping zombies that I have to like him a little.

[Starsky]

Originally posted by Heavily Armed
Moore sounds like a marxist moron.

Go ahead, look the quote up...he said *exactly* that.

[Jimineye]

Originally posted by Reborn79


Edit: I also went to one of his rallies in Portland last October...thousands of people were there, and it was really cool. If he ever comes to a town near you I'd suggest you go.

I'd go there and use the Right to bear arms and use my gun to sniper his ass. I sincerely hate Micheal Marxist Moore.

[LordNeon]

Originally posted by Jimineye
I'd go there and use the Right to bear arms and use my gun to sniper his ass. I sincerely hate Micheal Marxist Moore.

My, my ... this must be compassionate conservativism here.

[Jimineye]

Originally posted by rookejr
Too bad if you do any research on his work you will see that it is anything but factual. That is the problem with people that read his stuff. They think its all true and they're like, "Oh my god, he's so right. America does suck" But then if you research any of it, its all BS. Somebody posted a link a while back to a site that takes Bowling for Columbine piece by piece and disproves what seems like every point he makes, as well as pointing out shading editing and outright lies in his movie. People, you need to start thinking for yourselves, or at least researching the crap that you read.

I think it's bowlingfortruth.com

[Jimineye]

Originally posted by LordNeon
My, my ... this must be compassionate conservativism here.

Heh, see I'm just acting like the beloved liberal hero, Kerry by flip flopping around.

[LordNeon]

Originally posted by Jimineye
I think it's bowlingfortruth.com

That site is pretty trashy, even if Moore's editing is questionable. Too much of the "fact-checking" there is just opinionated rebuttal.

[Starsky]

The real question is what does Michael Moore do with the earnings from his books? Does he give the money to welfare, healthcare, housing programs?

[LordNeon]

Originally posted by Jimineye
Heh, see I'm just acting like the beloved liberal hero, Kerry by flip flopping around.

Don't make me pull out the Bush flip flop list again here, boy.

[Reborn79]

Originally posted by Starsky
"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy". They are the Revolution, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow...and they will win".
-Michael Moore


They should drop this worthless tub of lard to the soldiers in Fallujah.

And what's wrong with that quote? I agree with him. I find it amusing that the administration is calling the fighters in Iraq 'terrorists' or a 'minority'.

So the Iraqis are terrorists for DEFENDING their country from an invader (us)? That makes sense!


And before you go on mentioning the attack that killed 68 Iraqis...that was an incident that simply shows how desperate these people are to get us out of their country. Those specific people are indeed murderers, for they killed innocents...I am in no way defending them.


It IS an uprising, and you can keep on denying it as long as you want.

And as far as them 'winning', it is true. We will leave Iraq eventually, and they will get their way. Democracy will likely not last in Iraq, and the people will revert back to 'in-fighting' and whatnot. But we WILL leave Iraq, as this violence will continue and won't end until the U.S./British are out of Iraq entirely.

Bush could have avoided this entire ****ed up situation in the first place, but no. Now we NEED to stay in there, at least until we get a government up (we'll see how long that'll last...). These people are NOT animals, however. I simply say that a democracy won't work because there are so many devoutly religious and strictly divided groups of Muslims in Iraq, and it is unlikely they will ever unite (except to get us out of Iraq).


So in conclusion, YES, Moore's statement makes sense. And I am not a ****ing 'marxist' or 'communist'. Now try and get a better retort when you reply to this.

[LordNeon]

Originally posted by Starsky
The real question is what does Michael Moore do with the earnings from his books? Does he give the money to welfare, healthcare, housing programs?

Who gives a f@#k, other than conservatives like yourself desperate to find something liberal-related to b1tch about?

[Heavily Armed]

Originally posted by Starsky
Go ahead, look the quote up...he said *exactly* that.

I believe it. Sounds exactly like the moronic drivel Moore spews.

[Starsky]

Originally posted by Reborn79
And what's wrong with that quote? I agree with him. I find it amusing that the administration is calling the fighters in Iraq 'terrorists' or a 'minority'.

So the Iraqis are terrorists for DEFENDING their country from an invader (us)? That makes sense!


And before you go on mentioning the attack that killed 68 Iraqis...that was an incident that simply shows how desperate these people are to get us out of their country. Those specific people are indeed murderers, for they killed innocents...I am in no way defending them.


It IS an uprising, and you can keep on denying it as long as you want.

And as far as them 'winning', it is true. We will leave Iraq eventually, and they will get their way. Democracy will likely not last in Iraq, and the people will revert back to 'in-fighting' and whatnot. But we WILL leave Iraq, as this violence will continue and won't end until the U.S./British are out of Iraq entirely.

Bush could have avoided this entire ****ed up situation in the first place, but no. Now we NEED to stay in there, at least until we get a government up (we'll see how long that'll last...). These people are NOT animals, however. I simply say that a democracy won't work because there are so many devoutly religious and strictly divided groups of Muslims in Iraq, and it is unlikely they will ever unite (except to get us out of Iraq).


So in conclusion, YES, Moore's statement makes sense. And I am not a ****ing 'marxist' or 'communist'. Now try and get a better retort when you reply to this.

What about the quote is wrong? Everything. Here you are defending and affirming slander like this:

"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy". They are the Revolution, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow...and they will win".
-Michael Moore



He is saying people who murder American troops, murder Iraqis, murder civilians, burn bodies, hang bodies from bridges, dance on bodies, murder hostages in cold blood, plant bombs and remotely detonate them far away *are not* the enemy and ...are Minutemen...i.e Patriots who were admired and viewed as heroes.


The terrorists represent far less than 1% of Iraqs 25,000,000 population. So, yes they are the minority and you are both factually and morally wrong. You have got to be among the fringe, mental-ward leftists if you agree with statements like that.

[BIONIC MAN]

he would be creamed on the o,reilly factor

[mariners216]

Originally posted by BIONIC MAN
he would be creamed on the o,reilly factor

speaking of being loose with the facts..

[LordNeon]

Originally posted by Starsky
He is saying people who murder American troops, murder Iraqis, murder civilians, burn bodies, murder bodies, dance on bodies, murder hostages in cold blood, plant bombs and remotely detonate them far away *are not* the enemy and ...are Minutemen...i.e Patriots who were admired and viewed as heroes.

From the perspective of many Iraqis, yes, they are.

If you don't understand why this might be ... well, you've stumbled onto the reason why the whole war is going badly, as well as why the whole neoconservative idea that America can eliminate all evil from the earth, comic-book superhero style, is patently moronic.

[Reborn79]

Originally posted by Starsky
What about the quote is wrong? Everything. Here you are defending and affirming slander like this:

"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy". They are the Revolution, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow...and they will win".
-Michael Moore



He is saying people who murder American troops, murder Iraqis, murder civilians, mutilate bodies, murder bodies, dance on bodies, murder hostages in cold blood *are not* they enemy, plant bombs and remotely detonate them far away...are Minutemen...i.e Patriots who were admired and viewed as heroes.


The terrorists represent far less than 1% of Iraqs 25,000,000 population. So, yes they are the minority and you are both factually and morally wrong. You have got to be among the fringe, mental-ward leftists if you agree with statements like that.

First off, this is war. Soldiers are NOT 'innocent civilians'. The vast majority of these attacks from these 'insurgents' were aimed at American forces. Of course, I am NOT in ANY WAY supporting the attacks on the American soldiers. I am simply saying that killing a civilian on the street and killing a soldier who is occupying your country in wartime is different (again, I am not defending the killings of the soldiers, I am merely pointing out that a difference DOES exist between those two things).


And I guess these 'minority' insurgents taking over two big cities are just the 'minority', and represent nothing of the wider Iraqi population, who are happy to finally live in a 'democratic, stable, and free nation'.

You know, NewsMax and Fox News aren't the ONLY news sources that are out there to get your news from.


And 'Minutemen': The reference was to the fact that THIS was the BEGINNING, as the minutemen 'lead the way' so to speak to spread the message.

And also, about 'mutilating civilians'....those 'civilians' were mercenaries. There's a LITTLE difference. An armed foreigner in your country in wartime...they obviously didn't deserve to die that terrible death, but once again, they were not 'innocent civilians'. They were armed, and they were essentially soldiers.

I know this is difficult for you to understand, but it is MINUTE 'altertions' like those that can make a big difference. This is a lesson on 'spin' and how it works.

[BIONIC MAN]

Originally posted by mariners216
speaking of being loose with the facts..

o,reilly would have him for breakfast before he could raise his double chin.

[goblin6]

And also, about 'mutilating civilians'....those 'civilians' were mercenaries. There's a LITTLE difference. An armed foreigner in your country in wartime...they obviously didn't deserve to die that terrible death, but once again, they were not 'innocent civilians'. They were armed, and they were essentially soldiers.

No they are NOT essentially soldiers they were security guards. Many were former soldiers but not anymore. Providing security for memebers of the Iraqi governing council and other people involved in the rebuilding so the rest of the Iraqis can have running water and electricity.
They are not soldiers, and the people involved in this whtever you want to call it are terrorists, not rebels. They are criminals.

That is all I got to say.


Oh and Michael Moore is a complete jackass.

[Reborn79]

Originally posted by BIONIC MAN
o,reilly would have him for breakfast before he could raise his double chin.

Actually O'Reilly wouldn't let Moore say one word. He'd just shout him down and then tell the producers to 'cut his mike'. Man, that's pretty unprofessional, right?

No respectable newscaster would do such a thing...


http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman...ign/glick.html

[Starsky]

Originally posted by Reborn79
And also, about 'mutilating civilians'....those 'civilians' were mercenaries. There's a LITTLE difference. An armed foreigner in your country in wartime...they obviously didn't deserve to die that terrible death, but once again, they were not 'innocent civilians'. They were armed, and they were essentially soldiers.

Protecting food convoys. Yes, those evil Americans deserved it. The Iraqi Patriots who mutilated their bodies are better than Paul Revere or even all the Minutemen in 1776!

[Reborn79]

Originally posted by goblin6
No they are NOT essentially soldiers they were security guards. Many were former soldiers but not anymore. Providing security for memebers of the Iraqi governing council and other people involved in the rebuilding so the rest of the Iraqis can have running water and electricity.
They are not soldiers, and the people involved in this whtever you want to call it are terrorists, not rebels. They are criminals.

That is all I got to say.


Oh and Michael Moore is a complete jackass.

They were armed. That is 'all' I have to say. They were not contractors, they were mercenaries, as even you admitted. Former soldiers for hire. A.K.A. mercenaries. Of course they didn't deserve to die, BUT, to put them on the same level as a typical 'civilian' is wrong, no matter how you look at it. Again, THEY WERE ARMED (and to top it off were foreigners in a war-zone).

And defending your country from an invader is not terrorism....I don't know what dictionary you looked up the word in. Of course, when I speak of this, I speak of the actions against the Americans.

[Reborn79]

Originally posted by Starsky
Protecting food convoys. Yes, those evil Americans deserved it. The Iraqi Patriots who mutilated their bodies are better than Paul Revere or even all the Minutemen in 1776!

Jesus christ...where exactly did I say they deserved it? If you actually read my post, you'd realize I said the opposite.

My point was that they were not civilians. Simple as that. Did that mean they deserved to die? No. Were they doing a good deed? Yes.

Were they civilians? No. They were A) Armed. B) In a war zone. There are different kinds of rules in war, and not everything is 'crystal clear'.

When you go into a war zone ARMED, I'm sorry, but you sure as hell aren't a civilian. There are reasons why journalists in war zones are protected...it's because THEY ARE NOT ARMED.