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    Military drug testing and Information * PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU ASK*

    With the recent threads popping up everywhere like " Can I take creatine" or can I take XXXXX im leaving for ( insert branch of service here). I decided to post this thread in hopes I can cut down on these questions. Im not a know all, Im only speaking from experience, research and hear say from seniority. This is not a tell all guide but it should help ease any crazy clutter on the board.


    First thing first, This is a quote from another board and is not my own writing This is a partial quote detailing Ph / As and supp use. I didnt include the Illegal drugs because if ur using them then your wrong either way and I dont want to contribute to that.

    Originally Posted by AnonymousSACO View Post

    4. Now to the AS issue. If you reference the list above, you will not find a single listing for any kind of AS/PH. Thats because the facilities that the Navy/Marine Corps use, which are located in J'Ville FL, and San Diego, CA, can not screen for AS/PH. They just dont have the equipment. The Navy/Marine Corps has to send samples for steroid testing to Dr. Caitlin's lab at UCLA. The most recent price for this test ws $250.00.

    5. So how does the military actually test for steroids then? Well this is kind of a nebulous issue. First, you have to be suspected of use and the command then has to have probable cause to ask you for a sample. Now comes the question, well how in the heck does the command get probable cause. Like I said, its a nebulous issue. Anyone reading these threads knows the sides associated with using AS/PH's and which ones can become apparent to your co-workers.
    If your command thinks it has probable cause, they will probably already have consulted with base legal, they will ask you to consent to providing a sample. They are going to ask you this because it ellimnates the need to prove probable cause. If you do not consent, the commanding officer will then order you to provide a sample. There is a differnece here. Personally, I dont think I would ever consent to any kind of test. Whether I was using or not. This comes down to privacy issue for me. Besides, if you consent and you pop, you can be recommended for court martial. If it is a command directed test, and you pop, they can only administratively seperate you. Reason being, a positive result obtained from a command directed urinalysis, without satisfying probable cause, is not admisable in court.

    5. So then you ask, what AS/PH can they test for and how long do they stay in your system? This question I cant definitively answer. I think that you could probably find the answer to this on this board someplace or on the net. Just be advised, I would suspect that any answer you find will be a best guess. I have talked to the drug demand reduction coordinator for my base, and was sitting in his office when he called the UCLA lab. The UCLA lab would not go into specifics as to screeing process and detection times.


    6. So you are asking, what does this mean for me? In a nutshell, dont do drugs. Plain and simple. If you are using dope or AS/PH, and in the military, you are playing with fire.

    If anyone has any questions, please feel free to ask.

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    The law adds 26 new steroid compounds, including many steroid precursors, to the previous list of substances that are legally defined as ?anabolic steroids.? [The new compounds are androstanediol; androstanedione; androstenediol; androstenedione; bolasterone; calusterone; *1-dihydrotestosterone (a.k.a. ?1-testosterone?); furazabol; 13b-ethyl-17a-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one; 4-hydroxytestosterone; 4-hydroxy-19-nortestosterone; mestanolone; 17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane; 17a-methyl-3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane; 17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-ene; 17a-methyl-4-hydroxynandrolone; methyldienolone; methyltrienolone; 17a-methyl-*1-dihydrotestosterone (a.k.a. ?17-a-methyl-1-testosterone?); norandrostenediol; norandrostenedione; norbolethone; norclostebol; normethandrolone; stenbolone; and tetrahydrogestrinone.] Some of these new substances have been widely marketed as dietary supplements, such as androstenedione, norandrostenedione, norandrostenediol, 1-testosterone, and 4-hydroxytestosterone. bolasterone, calusterone, furazabol, and stenbolone, tetrahydrogestrinone (THG).

    Those are the bad boy list. As you will see noted above, Its been stated before that steroid test are very very expensive. I know the airforce has over 300,000 members and even testing 30,000 a month for steroids will cause the DoD to go debunk. That is just one branch, so with that being said the probable cause issue then comes into play. If johnny is 145lb and 2 months later Johnny is 205lbs he is gonna catch some flak and will prob be tested. This isnt listed for you to say " Ok im gonna do steroids and as long as I keep myself undercontrol ill never get caught" because you will get caught with tat attitude. Possessing them, buying them and taking htem are illegal. Dont play with fire. Getting tossed out of the military with a Dishonorable will make it tough to get a job even at mcdonalds.

    I personally have been tested while I was taking Jungle warfare, BAM and restore stack. I was also tested during a random urinalysis on MassFX and Hyperdrol. During that time frame Venom and various keep me awake supps were also in my system. As a safe rule of thumb if you can buy it at GNC on base then your fine ( every military base of any branch has a GNC it really sucks but we get alot of discounts)

    SO check your labels compare it, before you go asking anymore crazy questions about lipo 6 creatine or ON whey. If anyone else has anything to add that is beneficial please do


    Id love to get this a sticky if possible
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    There's also a huge thread about this in the AAS section, created by Kroms_Laugh I think a while back. It's got pertitent info. as well. Might want to find it and link it here.
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    Good stuff, OB. I know I got tested 4 times in the same year ('99) because I was suspected of juicing. I had gained like 25 pounds in a year and a half because I started lifting. I consented to all 4 tests b/c I knew I was clean. But in a nutshell, you're definitely right. If you mess with anything illegal or questionable in the military, you're playing with fire.
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    I agree this should be a sticky if possible.
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    wow keyhawk I havent seen u in ages.

    How is the army?

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    Repped finally a thread about this whole issue with some actual information.
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    Cool

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    wow keyhawk I havent seen u in ages.

    How is the army?

    where are u now?
    Right now Im at Fort lost in the woods. So far the army been great but the heat is killing me.
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    lol did u go to columbia SC at ft jackson?
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    Nice post OLB great info there man.
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    Thank you I hope it eleviates some posts on here
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    Hey OB, good info. What about the random drug screenings? Back when I was in, these could pop up at anytime. (especially those with Secret or Higher level clearances). Back then, it was for drug use, but what if they wanted to test for AAS? I mean, they didin't have to have probable cause for drug testing then, what's different now? You are the property of the Gov't, plain and simple and they can test you at anytime they choose. correct?
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    I used to be a UPL when I was in. This is some updated info. from a friend of mine.

    PROCEDURES FOR COMMANDERS TO REQUEST TESTING FOR ANABOLIC STEROIDS
    When a Commander suspects an individual of using anabolic steroids, he/she must consult with the staff judge advocate. Steroid testing may be requested on individuals for probable cause (PO) ONLY; random testing or unit sweeps will not be accepted.
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    I used to be a UPL when I was in. This is some updated info. from a friend of mine.

    PROCEDURES FOR COMMANDERS TO REQUEST TESTING FOR ANABOLIC STEROIDS
    When a Commander suspects an individual of using anabolic steroids, he/she must consult with the staff judge advocate. Steroid testing may be requested on individuals for probable cause (PO) ONLY; random testing or unit sweeps will not be accepted.
    Thanks. I bet it came down to a money issue. Either that or more then likely a don't ask, don't tell situation.
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    Here's the full blown passage from the UCMJ manual

    912a. ART. 112a. WRONGFUL USE, POSSESSION, ETC., OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES
    (a) Any person subject to this chapter who wrongfully uses, possesses, manufactures, distributes, imports into the customs territory of the United States, exports form the United States, or introduces into an installation, vessel, vehicle, or aircraft used by or under the control of the armed forces a substance described in subsection (b) shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
    (b) The substances refereed to in subsection (a) are the following:
    (1) opium, heroin, cocaine, amphetamine, lysergic acid diethylamide, methamephetamine, penecyclidine, barbituric acid, and marijuana, and any compound or derivative of any such substance.
    (2) Any substance not specified in clause (1) that is listed on a scheduile of controlled substances prescribed by the President for the purposes of this article.
    (3) Any other substance not specified in clause (1) or contained on a list prescribed by the President under clause (2) that is listed in Schedules I through V of section 202 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812).
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    [edit] Schedule III drugs
    Findings required:

    (A) The drug or other substance has a potential for abuse less than the drugs or other substances in schedules I and II.
    (B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    (C) Abuse of the drug or other substance may lead to moderate or low physical dependence or high psychological dependence.
    These drugs are available only by prescription, though control of wholesale distribution is somewhat less stringent than Schedule II drugs. Prescriptions for Schedule III drugs may be refilled up to five times within a six month period.

    Drugs on this schedule include:

    Anabolic steroids (including prohormones such as androstenedione and androstenediol);
    Intermediate-acting barbiturates, such as talbutal or butalbital;
    Buprenorphine;
    Dradorn;
    Ketamine, a drug originally developed as a milder substitute for PCP (mainly to use as a human anesthetic) but has since become popular as a veterinary anesthetic;
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    Marinol, a synthetic form of Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) used to treat nausea and vomiting caused by chemotherapy, as well as appetite loss caused by AIDS;
    Paregoric;
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    SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

    This Act may be cited as the `Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004'.

    SEC. 2. AMENDMENTS TO THE CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES ACT.

    (a) DEFINITIONS- Section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802) is amended--

    (1) in paragraph (41)--

    (A) by realigning the margin so as to align with paragraph (40); and

    (B) by striking subparagraph (A) and inserting the following:

    `(A) The term `anabolic steroid' means any drug or hormonal substance, chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone (other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and dehydroepiandrosterone), and includes--

    `(i) androstanediol--

    `(I) 3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane; and

    `(II) 3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane;

    `(ii) androstanedione (5a-androstan-3,17-dione);

    `(iii) androstenediol--

    `(I) 1-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);

    `(II) 1-androstenediol (3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);

    `(III) 4-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-ene); and

    `(IV) 5-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-5-ene);

    `(iv) androstenedione--

    `(I) 1-androstenedione ([5a]-androst-1-en-3,17-dione);

    `(II) 4-androstenedione (androst-4-en-3,17-dione); and

    `(III) 5-androstenedione (androst-5-en-3,17-dione);

    `(v) bolasterone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    `(vi) boldenone (17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4,-diene-3-one);

    `(vii) calusterone (7b,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    `(viii) clostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    `(ix) dehydrochloromethyltestosterone (4-chloro-17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-dien-3-one);

    `(x) *1-dihydrotestosterone (a.k.a. `1-testosterone') (17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);

    `(xi) 4-dihydrotestosterone (17b-hydroxy-androstan-3-one);

    `(xii) drostanolone (17b-hydroxy-2a-methyl-5a-androstan-3-one);

    `(xiii) ethylestrenol (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-ene);

    `(xiv) fluoxymesterone (9-fluoro-17a-methyl-11b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    `(xv) formebolone (2-formyl-17a-methyl-11a,17b-dihydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);

    `(xvi) furazabol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrostano[2,3-c]-furazan);

    `(xvii) 13a-ethyl-17a-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one;

    `(xviii) 4-hydroxytestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-en-3-one);

    `(xix) 4-hydroxy-19-nortestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-estr-4-en-3-one);

    `(xx) mestanolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one);

    `(xxi) mesterolone (1a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

    `(xxii) methandienone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);

    `(xxiii) methandriol (17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-5-ene);

    `(xxiv) methenolone (1-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);

    `(xxv) methyltestosterone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    `(xxvi) mibolerone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

    `(xxvii) 17a-methyl-*1-dihydrotestosterone (17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-5a-androst-1-en-3-one) (a.k.a. `17-a-methyl-1-testosterone');

    `(xxviii) nandrolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

    `(xxix) norandrostenediol--

    `(I) 19-nor-4-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);

    `(II) 19-nor-4-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);

    `(III) 19-nor-5-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene); and

    `(IV) 19-nor-5-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene);

    `(xxx) norandrostenedione--

    `(I) 19-nor-4-androstenedione (estr-4-en-3,17-dione); and

    `(II) 19-nor-5-androstenedione (estr-5-en-3,17-dione;

    `(xxxi) norbolethone (13b,17a-diethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one);

    `(xxxii) norclostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

    `(xxxiii) norethandrolone (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

    `(xxxiv) oxandrolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-2-oxa-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

    `(xxxv) oxymesterone (17a-methyl-4,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    `(xxxvi) oxymetholone (17a-methyl-2-hydroxymethylene-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

    `(xxxvii) stanozolol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androst-2-eno[3,2-c]-pyrazole);

    `(xxxviii) stenbolone (17b-hydroxy-2-methyl-[5a]-androst-1-en-3-one);

    `(xxxix) testolactone (13-hydroxy-3-oxo-13,17-secoandrosta-1,4-dien-17-oic acid lactone);

    `(xl) testosterone (17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    `(xli) tetrahydrogestrinone (13b,17a-diethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4,9,11-trien-3-one);

    `(xlii) trenbolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4,9,11-trien-3-one); and

    `(xliii) any salt, ester, or ether of a drug or substance described in this paragraph.'; and

    (2) in paragraph (44), by inserting `anabolic steroids,' after `marihuana,'.

    (b) AUTHORITY AND CRITERIA FOR CLASSIFICATION- Section 201(g) of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 811(g)) is amended--

    (1) in paragraph (1), by striking `substance from a schedule if such substance' and inserting `drug which contains a controlled substance from the application of titles II and III of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act (21 U.S.C. 802 et seq.) if such drug'; and

    (2) in paragraph (3), by adding at the end the following:

    `(C) Upon the recommendation of the Secretary of Health and Human Services, a compound, mixture, or preparation which contains any anabolic steroid, which is intended for administration to a human being or an animal, and which, because of its concentration, preparation, formulation or delivery system, does not present any significant potential for abuse.'.

    (c) ANABOLIC STEROIDS CONTROL ACT- Section 1903 of the Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 1990 (Public Law 101-647) is amended--

    (1) by striking subsection (a); and

    (2) by redesignating subsections (b) and (c) as subsections (a) and (b), respectively.
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    A little clarification for those wondering...........................

    The Steroid Control Act of 2004, lists those prohormones, prosteroids, and AAS that the U.S.Army has banned and deemed illegal. That was its purpose of inclusion in this thread. Anyhow, your Commander can add to, but not detract from this list. Meaning he can state that you can't take something not already included(SD)and prosecute you for violating his order if you do so. He cannot, however, decide that its okay for his troops to use begin using Dianabol and fail to prosecute them for it, b/c he feels its was unfairly included.
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    Hey OB, good info. What about the random drug screenings? Back when I was in, these could pop up at anytime. (especially those with Secret or Higher level clearances). Back then, it was for drug use, but what if they wanted to test for AAS? I mean, they didin't have to have probable cause for drug testing then, what's different now? You are the property of the Gov't, plain and simple and they can test you at anytime they choose. correct?

    Based on what I was told all applies from my first post. I know the airforce has now implemented what is called

    "smart testing"

    everything is still random via ss number but age and rank come into play as well. Its common now to see e-4 and below 0-2 and below aged 25 yrs and younger be popped for random testing more so then higher older ranking people just due to the sheer probability that these make up most of the failed tests.

    like ive stated ive been random tested 3 times in the last yr coincedently I was on Jw and Bam stack as well as a mass fx hyperdrol stack in 06

    my only other previous test was 2 yrs ago on m1t of course at the time m1t was legal and the above compounds were legal,

    ill be dead honest with you, i havent met anyone who even knows of anyone who has been busted for failing a roid test. we all know or know someone who busted for hard drugs and you hear about it all the time but its rare to hear of anything involving roids.

    atleast in the usaf
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    Originally Posted by solomon1979 View Post
    I used to be a UPL when I was in. This is some updated info. from a friend of mine.

    PROCEDURES FOR COMMANDERS TO REQUEST TESTING FOR ANABOLIC STEROIDS
    When a Commander suspects an individual of using anabolic steroids, he/she must consult with the staff judge advocate. Steroid testing may be requested on individuals for probable cause (PO) ONLY; random testing or unit sweeps will not be accepted.

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    Originally Posted by Outside backer View Post
    ill be dead honest with you, i havent met anyone who even knows of anyone who has been busted for failing a roid test. we all know or know someone who busted for hard drugs and you hear about it all the time but its rare to hear of anything involving roids.

    atleast in the usaf

    excellent info, OB!!!

    with regards to your last post (quoted above), I always wondered about all the "hype" about roid testing in the army. I mean, roids make soldiers more powerfull and aggressive, and aren't exactely these things that can potentially help to survive in a combat? I guess that the army is not unhappy when their soldiers have more power and less anxiety and this is why I guess that roid testing is possibbly not taken too seriously in the army. Or am I way off here?
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    no your almost dead on,

    atleat in my eyes and in many other service members eyes

    i wouldnt say that turned thier back on the issue,

    the biggest fear when a troop is on drugs is the catastrophic failure it can cause


    no pilot wants any maintainers who are high and mentally altered to work on any critical portion of thier aircraft,

    base security guys standing guard, if your high you can cause many to die.

    its common knowledge that juice is gonna mentally mess you up if u get my drift.

    so its a problem if your 135lbs in may and come july 240lbs

    but not so much a problem if you 135lbs in may and say 150lbs in july

    there are bigger fish to fry when you messed up in the head

    but again that is common speculation and obvious not taken as fact
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    Originally Posted by Outside backer View Post
    lol did u go to columbia SC at ft jackson?
    No I went to Fort Leonard Wood. I wish I would of went to Jackson.
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