Pat (or anyone else)-
Quick question. I have some Gabatropin on the way - and due to all the pretty flowers and trees blooming outside (sarcasm) I am having to take some Alavert - D (with pseudoephedrine). Will it be any problem mixing the two?
Thanks
Jay
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Thread: Gabatropin
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04-20-2004, 05:59 PM #1
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04-21-2004, 05:11 AM #2
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04-21-2004, 07:59 AM #3
So I went ahead and took 4 gabatropin pills about 2 hours ago. Someone over on Avant said that they had taken gabatropin with e/c before and didn't experience anything weird. I can't really explain the feeling I have right now other than just very clear headed and relaxed. I have become some what of a chatty cathy all of sudden ... I am usually quiet and reserved (nice way of saying shy). If I experience anything else I will post it.
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04-21-2004, 09:12 AM #4
dude I just started GABA last saturday - 2-3g 30mins. or so before bed. I also have been taking Allegra-D some days/Clarinex others for the last week or so. Haven't really noticed any interaction problems either for what it's worth.
I hear what you're saying about the GABA though, man it really clears my thinking up too. My sleep has been deep and sound these last few nights (a rare thing!). One weird thing though, I have had weird deja vu going on-and I'm not sure how to describe it but it's almost like my dreams are forming memories, so that it's become slightly difficult to distinguish between real memories and these flashbacks of dreams I've had.
Good stuff though!!"It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious." -anon
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04-21-2004, 06:50 PM #5Originally posted by pknack
dude I just started GABA last saturday - 2-3g 30mins. or so before bed. I also have been taking Allegra-D some days/Clarinex others for the last week or so. Haven't really noticed any interaction problems either for what it's worth.
I hear what you're saying about the GABA though, man it really clears my thinking up too. My sleep has been deep and sound these last few nights (a rare thing!). One weird thing though, I have had weird deja vu going on-and I'm not sure how to describe it but it's almost like my dreams are forming memories, so that it's become slightly difficult to distinguish between real memories and these flashbacks of dreams I've had.
Good stuff though!!
they are not the same thing at all
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04-21-2004, 06:53 PM #6
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04-21-2004, 07:17 PM #7
D'oh!
My bad, never knew there was that big of a difference! Got my facts straight now...sorry bout that jay!
After reading up on your website PA, I am thinking that Gabatropin will be definitely worth experimenting with. If for nothing else than the hangover helper-lord knows I've tried everything short of those damn nasty things from the movie Cocktail - "red eyes" i believe?!
glad i butted in to this thread!"It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious." -anon
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04-21-2004, 07:55 PM #8
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04-22-2004, 05:10 AM #9
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04-22-2004, 10:45 AM #10
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04-22-2004, 11:23 AM #11
Gabatropin is just PICAMILONE ( some russian drug also labeled "KGB hangover secret pill " by WWW spammers ), not some "breakthrough".
cfr h*ttp://*www.smart-nutrition.net/info-picamilon.htm + minor ingredients.
It's a worthy compound, however ( shop wise first & don't be fooled by fancy labels & fake claims ).For recreational purposes only. My understanding & private opinion. Please refrain from flames & witticism as i won't respond to them. Not an expert, not a guru, not a 55' biceps, know-it-all, outspoken WWW cartoon: i live beyond my PC being logged on.
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04-22-2004, 11:27 AM #12Originally posted by ham2
Gabatropin is just PICAMILONE ( some russian drug also labeled "KGB hangover secret pill " by WWW spammers ), not some "breakthrough".
cfr h*ttp://*www.smart-nutrition.net/info-picamilon.htm + minor ingredients.
It's a worthy compound, however ( shop wise first & don't be fooled by fancy labels & fake claims ).
Wrong
Picamilone is something quite different. Its niacin bound to GABA, and it doesn't do much at all
Gabatropin contains phenibut. Phenibut is 3 phenyl GABA. Much different both chemically and pharmacologically
Do your homework before spouting off
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04-22-2004, 12:39 PM #13
really?
i thought otherwise, hence i may sooner or later try your compound, too.
Anyway i don't really get what's up with all these russian GABA clones.
Sounds like some 1,2,3,...n -andro thing or those -14-15 vs -18-19ethyl thingies.
The description of Gabatropin exactly matches that of Picamilone:
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Phenibut is a remarkable compound. It is pharmacologically classified as a mood elevator, cognitive enhancer (nootropic), anxiolytic (anti-anxiety treatment), and tranquilizer. It is actively and successfully used in Russia to treat a variety of ailments including but not limited to depression, anxiety, physical weakness, anorexia/weight loss, sleep disorders, and psychosis.
Its subjective effects are quite unique. Phenibut gives a calming effect, however this effect is not associated with any sedation. Quite the contrary, phenibut seems to enhance concentration and awareness and it boosts clarity of thinking. It also seems to allow one to work harder with less perceived effort. The overall experience is pleasant and cannot be described as �drug like�. Additionally, there is no rebound �crash� effect from phenibut nor are there any addiction or drug dependence issues associated with its usage. However, with repeated dosing over long periods a tolerance may develop, and as a consequence higher dosages may be necessary for the same effects to be duplicated.
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check
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Picamilon is a very effective vasodilator (it improves brain blood flow), in fact Russian experiments suggest that picamilon is better than Hydergine and even better than vinpocetine in this regard. For while vasodilatation is occurring, more likely the result of the niacin it is also displaying a mild tranquilizing effect, which helps prevent the negative effects of emotional stress. This second trait is the likely affect of GABA, as it is with the basis of the diazepam tranquilizing drugs (such as ******) which inhibits the reuptake of GABA, the presence of GABA appears to have a calming effect. But what makes picamilon unique is that while it counteracts stress and anxiety, it doesn't have a sedative action. Picamilon can have a mild stimulatory action. Picamilon may be the first anti-anxiety drug that doesn't make you drowsy. Again Russian studies have compared picamilon with other psycho-stimulant drugs including piracetam, phenazepam, diazepam, vinpocetine, xanthinol nicotinate, and papaverine. It was noted that the stimulant properties of picamilon were greater than that of piracetam. After taking picamilon the patients felt better and giddiness and tremor disappeared. Further benefits of picamilon over the standard tranquillizing drugs are that it does not display any signs of inducing muscle relaxation, lethargy, or drowsiness. Picamilon has a number of positive benefits for the patient; it can reduce anxiety, lower stress and yet at the same time display a non-sleepy action or indeed even a stimulatory property. Many patients claim that they have a 'good feeling' while using picamilon.
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both are ages old compounds ( phenibut dates from the 60's ).
Only thing i can say: picamilone works exactly as described & i buy it for little $.For recreational purposes only. My understanding & private opinion. Please refrain from flames & witticism as i won't respond to them. Not an expert, not a guru, not a 55' biceps, know-it-all, outspoken WWW cartoon: i live beyond my PC being logged on.
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04-22-2004, 12:48 PM #14Originally posted by ham2
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both are ages old compounds ( phenibut dates from the 60's ).
Only thing i can say: picamilone works exactly as described & i buy it for little $. [/B]
phenibut in gabatropin is not cheap material like picamillon is. i think its alot better though. i hope you do try it and report what you feel
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04-22-2004, 01:13 PM #15
I wouldn't want to start a chemistry debate.
I just made the equation
Picamilon: phenibut=creatine: creatine salts
without implying picamilon be the "standard".
once i'm done with my bottles of picamilone i will give a try to yours.Last edited by ham2; 04-22-2004 at 11:10 PM.
For recreational purposes only. My understanding & private opinion. Please refrain from flames & witticism as i won't respond to them. Not an expert, not a guru, not a 55' biceps, know-it-all, outspoken WWW cartoon: i live beyond my PC being logged on.
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04-22-2004, 01:52 PM #16
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04-23-2004, 10:06 AM #24
I like to heat it up in a bottle cap over an open flame until it liquifies. Then find an old syringe lying around, wipe it off on my pants to clean it of course, and then mainline it straight into whatever vein isn't too scarred to get the needle through...
what a rush!"It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious." -anon
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