Gabatropin

[jay_the_bull]

Pat (or anyone else)-
Quick question. I have some Gabatropin on the way - and due to all the pretty flowers and trees blooming outside (sarcasm) I am having to take some Alavert - D (with pseudoephedrine). Will it be any problem mixing the two?

Thanks
Jay

[jay_the_bull]

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[jay_the_bull]

So I went ahead and took 4 gabatropin pills about 2 hours ago. Someone over on Avant said that they had taken gabatropin with e/c before and didn't experience anything weird. I can't really explain the feeling I have right now other than just very clear headed and relaxed. I have become some what of a chatty cathy all of sudden ... I am usually quiet and reserved (nice way of saying shy). If I experience anything else I will post it.

[pknack]

dude I just started GABA last saturday - 2-3g 30mins. or so before bed. I also have been taking Allegra-D some days/Clarinex others for the last week or so. Haven't really noticed any interaction problems either for what it's worth.

I hear what you're saying about the GABA though, man it really clears my thinking up too. My sleep has been deep and sound these last few nights (a rare thing!). One weird thing though, I have had weird deja vu going on-and I'm not sure how to describe it but it's almost like my dreams are forming memories, so that it's become slightly difficult to distinguish between real memories and these flashbacks of dreams I've had.

Good stuff though!!

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally posted by pknack
dude I just started GABA last saturday - 2-3g 30mins. or so before bed. I also have been taking Allegra-D some days/Clarinex others for the last week or so. Haven't really noticed any interaction problems either for what it's worth.

I hear what you're saying about the GABA though, man it really clears my thinking up too. My sleep has been deep and sound these last few nights (a rare thing!). One weird thing though, I have had weird deja vu going on-and I'm not sure how to describe it but it's almost like my dreams are forming memories, so that it's become slightly difficult to distinguish between real memories and these flashbacks of dreams I've had.

Good stuff though!!

you talking about Gabatropin or GABA

they are not the same thing at all

[Patrick Arnold]

the next day after drinking, if you have that drag ass feeling and irritability then take 4-8 gabatropins. It should help

take them the morning AFTER drinking when you already have the hangover.

[pknack]

D'oh!

My bad, never knew there was that big of a difference! Got my facts straight now...sorry bout that jay!

After reading up on your website PA, I am thinking that Gabatropin will be definitely worth experimenting with. If for nothing else than the hangover helper-lord knows I've tried everything short of those damn nasty things from the movie Cocktail - "red eyes" i believe?!

glad i butted in to this thread!

[Bammy]

PA, is Gabatropin sold at any retail stores, like Vitamin Shoppe, or only online?

[jay_the_bull]

Listen guys - give Gabatropin a try, you will really like it. I have had a good bit of stress lately and it was just what I needed. I really wasn't expecting much from it ... boy was I wrong! I will definately be a repeat buyer. Thanks PA another good quality product.

[Bammy]

where can I get it that isn't online?

[ham2]

Gabatropin is just PICAMILONE ( some russian drug also labeled "KGB hangover secret pill " by WWW spammers ), not some "breakthrough".
cfr h*ttp://*www.smart-nutrition.net/info-picamilon.htm + minor ingredients.
It's a worthy compound, however ( shop wise first & don't be fooled by fancy labels & fake claims ).

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally posted by ham2
Gabatropin is just PICAMILONE ( some russian drug also labeled "KGB hangover secret pill " by WWW spammers ), not some "breakthrough".
cfr h*ttp://*www.smart-nutrition.net/info-picamilon.htm + minor ingredients.
It's a worthy compound, however ( shop wise first & don't be fooled by fancy labels & fake claims ).

Wrong

Picamilone is something quite different. Its niacin bound to GABA, and it doesn't do much at all

Gabatropin contains phenibut. Phenibut is 3 phenyl GABA. Much different both chemically and pharmacologically

Do your homework before spouting off

[ham2]

really?
i thought otherwise, hence i may sooner or later try your compound, too.
Anyway i don't really get what's up with all these russian GABA clones.
Sounds like some 1,2,3,...n -andro thing or those -14-15 vs -18-19ethyl thingies.
The description of Gabatropin exactly matches that of Picamilone:
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Phenibut is a remarkable compound. It is pharmacologically classified as a mood elevator, cognitive enhancer (nootropic), anxiolytic (anti-anxiety treatment), and tranquilizer. It is actively and successfully used in Russia to treat a variety of ailments including but not limited to depression, anxiety, physical weakness, anorexia/weight loss, sleep disorders, and psychosis.

Its subjective effects are quite unique. Phenibut gives a calming effect, however this effect is not associated with any sedation. Quite the contrary, phenibut seems to enhance concentration and awareness and it boosts clarity of thinking. It also seems to allow one to work harder with less perceived effort. The overall experience is pleasant and cannot be described as �drug like�. Additionally, there is no rebound �crash� effect from phenibut nor are there any addiction or drug dependence issues associated with its usage. However, with repeated dosing over long periods a tolerance may develop, and as a consequence higher dosages may be necessary for the same effects to be duplicated.
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check

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Picamilon is a very effective vasodilator (it improves brain blood flow), in fact Russian experiments suggest that picamilon is better than Hydergine and even better than vinpocetine in this regard. For while vasodilatation is occurring, more likely the result of the niacin it is also displaying a mild tranquilizing effect, which helps prevent the negative effects of emotional stress. This second trait is the likely affect of GABA, as it is with the basis of the diazepam tranquilizing drugs (such as Valium) which inhibits the reuptake of GABA, the presence of GABA appears to have a calming effect. But what makes picamilon unique is that while it counteracts stress and anxiety, it doesn't have a sedative action. Picamilon can have a mild stimulatory action. Picamilon may be the first anti-anxiety drug that doesn't make you drowsy. Again Russian studies have compared picamilon with other psycho-stimulant drugs including piracetam, phenazepam, diazepam, vinpocetine, xanthinol nicotinate, and papaverine. It was noted that the stimulant properties of picamilon were greater than that of piracetam. After taking picamilon the patients felt better and giddiness and tremor disappeared. Further benefits of picamilon over the standard tranquillizing drugs are that it does not display any signs of inducing muscle relaxation, lethargy, or drowsiness. Picamilon has a number of positive benefits for the patient; it can reduce anxiety, lower stress and yet at the same time display a non-sleepy action or indeed even a stimulatory property. Many patients claim that they have a 'good feeling' while using picamilon.
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both are ages old compounds ( phenibut dates from the 60's ).
Only thing i can say: picamilone works exactly as described & i buy it for little $.

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally posted by ham2
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both are ages old compounds ( phenibut dates from the 60's ).
Only thing i can say: picamilone works exactly as described & i buy it for little $. [/B]

phenibut in gabatropin is not cheap material like picamillon is. i think its alot better though. i hope you do try it and report what you feel

[ham2]

I wouldn't want to start a chemistry debate.
I just made the equation
Picamilon: phenibut=creatine: creatine salts
without implying picamilon be the "standard".
once i'm done with my bottles of picamilone i will give a try to yours.

[Bammy]

how come no answer?

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally posted by Bammy
how come no answer?

i dunno the answer. we just sell to distributors who then sell to actual stores. distributors keep their list of stores secret from us cuz they want to protect themselves being circumvented by us. thats the way things are done

[Kraftydog]

I have used picamalon, it produced a nice relaxing effect at 300-400mg. Its not GHB, but its good stuff. I have not tried the phenibut yet, though I have some on the way.

[American Hunk]

Originally posted by Kraftydog
I have used picamalon, it produced a nice relaxing effect at 300-400mg. Its not GHB, but its good stuff. I have not tried the phenibut yet, though I have some on the way.

take the phenibut intranasally. that's the only way to do it.

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally posted by American Hunk
take the phenibut intranasally. that's the only way to do it.

the active dose is much too large to consume this way, and besides it will be very irritating

[blackdream71]

Originally posted by American Hunk
take the phenibut intranasally. that's the only way to do it.

WTF? Idiot!

[GetDiesel]

Where do you get gabatrophin from? I searched and couldn't find anything...

[jay_the_bull]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ergo/gaba.html

[pknack]

I like to heat it up in a bottle cap over an open flame until it liquifies. Then find an old syringe lying around, wipe it off on my pants to clean it of course, and then mainline it straight into whatever vein isn't too scarred to get the needle through...

what a rush!

[American Hunk]

Originally posted by Patrick Arnold
the active dose is much too large to consume this way, and besides it will be very irritating

intranasal active dose will be less than 1/15th of the oral dose.

[American Hunk]

Originally posted by blackdream71
WTF? Idiot!

actually, you're the idiot. do some research fool.

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally posted by American Hunk
intranasal active dose will be less than 1/15th of the oral dose.

have you done this?

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally posted by American Hunk
actually, you're the idiot. do some research fool.

what do you mean by "research"??

[American Hunk]

Originally posted by Patrick Arnold
have you done this?

yes.

[American Hunk]

Originally posted by Patrick Arnold
what do you mean by "research"??

i don't think this foolio knows anything about different routes of administering supplements. you don't have to take everything orally.