I would just like to post this message to calm down all you who are afraid of cutting like i was as i thought i would loose muscle mass...............it is absolutly not true you can still grow quite easily while cutting/loosing weight..........so dont be scared to start a cutting cycle as summer is a brewin!!!
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03-22-2004, 11:14 AM #1Just Keep Livin
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Its BS that you cannot grow while cutting!
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03-22-2004, 11:17 AM #2Senior Member
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Prove it.
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03-22-2004, 11:17 AM #3Alumnus
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Since you found it so easy to cut and gain mass and some of think its so hard. Would you please expound on how you do it. I mean posting and telling us its possible is one thing, but showing us how exactly you did it is a whole other thing. So please, please explain, because if you've unlocked an easy way to do this i'm sure we all would be happy to know.
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03-22-2004, 11:21 AM #4Registered User
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I gained mass while cutting. Heres what I did:
I ate 2300 cals per day
lifted extremely hard, sometimes twice a day
Ran three times a week,
Lowered carbs and upped protein
And I grew just fine doing this. It might not work for everyone thoughFukc dieting you only live once-me
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03-22-2004, 11:22 AM #5Registered User
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Prior training experience?
Or was this noob gains while in the first 3 months of working out?"Arterial plaque is primarily composed of unsaturated fats particularly polyunsaturated ones." (Felton, C V, et al, Lancet, 1994, 344:1195)
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...or something like this daily. Problem? ;)
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03-22-2004, 11:24 AM #6Message Board King
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I've done it, I just don't have the dicipline for it. Let me know if you care to hear my diet.
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03-22-2004, 11:24 AM #7Registered User
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If ur talking about me, ive been training for two years, one year seriously, so no it wasnt noob gains. I didnt gain much size just a little. Its possible but it starts to suck.Originally posted by Atavis
Prior training experience?
Or was this noob gains while in the first 3 months of working out?Fukc dieting you only live once-me
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03-22-2004, 11:26 AM #8
Re: Its BS that you cannot grow while cutting!
most people cant do it, it takes very slow losing weight if u are one of the few who can ( or a beginner) and its not worth it if you wanna do things fast.Originally posted by shadowmoses
I would just like to post this message to calm down all you who are afraid of cutting like i was as i thought i would loose muscle mass...............it is absolutly not true you can still grow quite easily while cutting/loosing weight..........so dont be scared to start a cutting cycle as summer is a brewin!!!
Peace
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03-22-2004, 11:28 AM #9The Hurricane
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I am still making gains while on CKD losing 3lbs/week, although VERY VERY slowly, as compared to when I was eating everything.
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03-22-2004, 11:29 AM #10Registered User
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Yeah, i justed wanted more info about your circumstances.
The thing is, while yes it is indeed possible, it is by no means optimal.
Both fat loss and muscle gain will occur in smaller increments than if one fully applies his diet and trining towards one goal instead of 2 diametrically opposing ones with noob gains being the most prominant time period where this can be negated.
Congrats to your success in doing it though. Many cannot."Arterial plaque is primarily composed of unsaturated fats particularly polyunsaturated ones." (Felton, C V, et al, Lancet, 1994, 344:1195)
How to bulk: http://70sbig.com/food/
Diet = http://i52.tinypic.com/21bhop.png
...or something like this daily. Problem? ;)
FFMI = 24
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03-22-2004, 11:37 AM #11Registered User
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I dont do it nemore. It sux balls and makes u insane. So now i stick to one thingOriginally posted by Atavis
Yeah, i justed wanted more info about your circumstances.
The thing is, while yes it is indeed possible, it is by no means optimal.
Both fat loss and muscle gain will occur in smaller increments than if one fully applies his diet and trining towards one goal instead of 2 diametrically opposing ones with noob gains being the most prominant time period where this can be negated.
Congrats to your success in doing it though. Many cannot.Fukc dieting you only live once-me
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03-22-2004, 12:22 PM #12Motivator
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I dont' think your gaining mass. What I think it is. Is that as you lose fat more mass is showing through. Letting you THINK that you got more mass.
I lost about 6LB's so far and I've been cutting for about 3 weeks already. Ya I bet I lost a **** load of muscle. But it looks like I got more cuase more shows through.The Iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and hear all kinds of talk, get told that you're a god or a total bastard. The Iron will always kick you the real deal. The Iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds. ~Henry Rollins
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03-22-2004, 12:28 PM #13Bottomless pit
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i think its very possible and i've done it myself. I've dropped a couple of percentage points in body fat but maintained the same weight on the scale
STFU YOU JIB
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03-22-2004, 12:37 PM #14Motivator
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That means ****. You relize everytime you gain muscle without losing fat your lbm increase? There for your bf decresases right?
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03-22-2004, 12:44 PM #15Bottomless pit
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Yes, its obvious if i retain the same amount of fat weight and gain muscle my bodyfat percentage will go down. But that means I would have gained weight on the scale, and I didnt. i lost 4 pounds of something and had to gain 4 pounds of something else in order to keep my scale weight and to have the reduction in bodyfat percentageOriginally posted by ReSpAwN DeMoN
That means ****. You relize everytime you gain muscle without losing fat your lbm increase? There for your bf decresases right?STFU YOU JIB
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03-22-2004, 12:55 PM #16Registered User
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ask a more advanced bodybuilder their opinion on that. Anyone who has been bodybuilding for over 2 years, and tries doing that...would fail miserably. For me to grow...i need to eat a **** load...there's no way i can cut while eating a **** load.
It's just like when people say they need to lose weight, and all they have to do is cut out soda and candy, and start getting some exercise. That works for people who aren't in any kind of shape to begin with...but when i need to lose weight....it's not as easy as that...just because of a higher level. It just all depends on where you're at. PeaceREPS ARE ALWAYS GOOD
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03-22-2004, 01:21 PM #17Strong-Ass Jaw Crew
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depends on genetics, diet, and training
but it is VERY possible just not as effective as focusing at one or the other
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03-22-2004, 01:36 PM #18Registered User
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the only time I gain mass/strength while cutting was when I was doing HIT training my bench went up 30lbs squat 40lbs and I don't do deads when Iam cutting don't need a thick lower back, I went from curling 45's for 6 to curling 60s for 7
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03-22-2004, 01:47 PM #19Registered User
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Originally posted by Poppa Pump
ask a more advanced bodybuilder their opinion on that. Anyone who has been bodybuilding for over 2 years, and tries doing that...would fail miserably. For me to grow...i need to eat a **** load...there's no way i can cut while eating a **** load.
It's just like when people say they need to lose weight, and all they have to do is cut out soda and candy, and start getting some exercise. That works for people who aren't in any kind of shape to begin with...but when i need to lose weight....it's not as easy as that...just because of a higher level. It just all depends on where you're at. Peace
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03-22-2004, 01:56 PM #20krē'ə-tēn'
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I've gained size during my cutting cycle, as well as strength. While my gains could have been better if I were on a higher calorie diet, I did still gain mass, and dropped quite a bit of bf. I eat a lot of protein and keep the carbs to a minimum. I do cardio 2-3 time a week. It works, you just need a lot of discipline.
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03-22-2004, 02:02 PM #21Registered User
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I have done it. Actually, i believe that i am doing it right now during my contest prep. My weight is staying the same and my bodyfat levels are decreasing by the day. I will be writing an article about it so look out for it within several weeks!!
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03-22-2004, 03:00 PM #22The Gun Show
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Re: Its BS that you cannot grow while cutting!
i agree if u know what ur doign it is very possible.Originally posted by shadowmoses
I would just like to post this message to calm down all you who are afraid of cutting like i was as i thought i would loose muscle mass...............it is absolutly not true you can still grow quite easily while cutting/loosing weight..........so dont be scared to start a cutting cycle as summer is a brewin!!!
Peace
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03-22-2004, 03:05 PM #23Bottomless pit
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and yes i was eating a lot of protein. almost 1.5 g per pound of BW.
STFU YOU JIB
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03-22-2004, 03:57 PM #24Registered User
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thank you captain obvious..Originally posted by shadowmoses
I would just like to post this message to calm down all you who are afraid of cutting like i was as i thought i would loose muscle mass...............it is absolutly not true you can still grow quite easily while cutting/loosing weight..........so dont be scared to start a cutting cycle as summer is a brewin!!!
Peace
what is there to prove? that you can't gain muscle and lose fat at the same time? this is VERY untrue.Originally posted by __KinkaiD__0000
Prove it.
the reason that few people try to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time is because it slows down the rate in which they grow.
when i first started lifting i cut and bulked at the same time. at the end of 6 months i added overall size to my body but cut out a lot of the fat.
it CAN be done and is done, but it is not the most effective way to bodybuild.
i just got off a bulk only cycle and i'm doing a cut / bulk cycle again. just don't rush things, i cut my caloric intake by 200 and added cardio (or try to) once a week on off days.. so far so good
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03-22-2004, 04:21 PM #25how much cals you eat when you bulk?Originally posted by Poppa Pump
ask a more advanced bodybuilder their opinion on that. Anyone who has been bodybuilding for over 2 years, and tries doing that...would fail miserably. For me to grow...i need to eat a **** load...there's no way i can cut while eating a **** load.
It's just like when people say they need to lose weight, and all they have to do is cut out soda and candy, and start getting some exercise. That works for people who aren't in any kind of shape to begin with...but when i need to lose weight....it's not as easy as that...just because of a higher level. It just all depends on where you're at. Peace
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