Damn deadlifts!

**Jericho574** · 03-19-2004, 07:50 PM

I love to do them but have a problem...my grip!

I just started a new program and wanted to try the whole "no wraps, no gloves, no straps approach". With straps Ive done 365lbs but bare I cannot do nearly heavy enough to work anything. Do I do what I can bare and work on my grip or just use straps and still try to do the grip on the side?

Arguments can be said for each side. Use straps and work was meant to be worked, and others will say to not use them and build up the grip.

What do you think?

**BPP** · 03-19-2004, 07:54 PM

dont resort to straps, keep workin em hard, and do plenty of BB holds, DB holds, etc grip work as well to get it up there

or if you INSIST on using them, even if you fail before then, dont use them til the LAST set

**Big Nes** · 03-19-2004, 07:58 PM

Pay your dues.

I've developed major grip from plenty of One Arm rows, pullups, WEIGHTED EVERYTHING and basically all closed-fist exercises. All i use is a strip of black Electrical tape over my palms and tape my middle/ring fingers when I lift.. Gloves piss me off cuz of how little they last.

I can dead a decent 275 twice and NEVER have grip problems ( i weigh 148).

Best i can say, a beastly grip takes time. Pay your dues.

**BigKazWSM747** · 03-19-2004, 07:58 PM

Don't use straps. The problem will only get worse. Start doing things like farmer's walks, BB static holds, weighted bar hangs, etc. to improve your grip.

**BPP** · 03-19-2004, 08:05 PM

at the START of your back routine day, hit up some grip, then do DL, then at the end do more grip...pound it and pound it til its up to par....i DRASTICALLY increased mine from last january to this january MOSTLY using farmers walk, farmers holds and DB static holds for time, as well as never using straps or gloves

i prefer DB static holds...use a set til u hit COMPLETE(dont drop early) failure and the weight pries your hands open and it drops....do this til u can go over aminute, then increase the DBs

**hyp3r3xt3nsion** · 03-19-2004, 08:12 PM

time and patience...if you're doing stuff like static holds and grip deadlifts, you'll get it up to par in no time

**MiloMan** · 03-19-2004, 08:44 PM

Dump the straps. Meet Mr. Chalk, he is your friend.

**therookie** · 03-19-2004, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
dont resort to straps, keep workin em hard, and do plenty of BB holds, DB holds, etc grip work as well to get it up there

or if you INSIST on using them, even if you fail before then, dont use them til the LAST set

Whats the big deal with straps.......Ronnie Coleman and countless other BB'rs use the religously........i dont get it...

**BPP** · 03-19-2004, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by therookie
Whats the big deal with straps.......Ronnie Coleman and countless other BB'rs use the religously........i dont get it...

its a crutch that hinders grip development

**therookie** · 03-19-2004, 10:09 PM

Who needs a strong grip when there are straps to help lift heavier weights. I see countless number of Pro bodybuilders using straps.......and they have been doing this for years.......i guess next i am going to hear that using gloves is bad too huh...

**hyp3r3xt3nsion** · 03-19-2004, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by therookie
Who needs a strong grip when there are straps to help lift heavier weights. I see countless number of Pro bodybuilders using straps.......and they have been doing this for years.......i guess next i am going to hear that using gloves is bad too huh...

gloves are useless, use chalk

besides that, most who use straps don't need them. they shrug w/ 60pders, then try 80 and go 'wow, i can use a heavier weight, i just can't hold it'. yea, but they also forgot their form went to hell and they're only doing like 1/2 of the movement they used to be doing

**therookie** · 03-19-2004, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by hyp3r3xt3nsion
gloves are useless, use chalk

besides that, most who use straps don't need them. they shrug w/ 60pders, then try 80 and go 'wow, i can use a heavier weight, i just can't hold it'. yea, but they also forgot their form went to hell and they're only doing like 1/2 of the movement they used to be doing

so people who use straps have ****ty form .is that what your saying....straps just help you hold on to heavier weight for people that want to go heavy but cant due to grip problems. If you are having bad form....it aint the straps its the fact that you are going too heavy with or without straps...IMO

**hyp3r3xt3nsion** · 03-19-2004, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by therookie
so people who use straps have ****ty form .is that what your saying....straps just help you hold on to heavier weight for people that want to go heavy but cant due to grip problems. If you are having bad form....it aint the straps its the fact that you are going too heavy with or without straps...IMO

9/10 times, yep.

as soon as i got over 300 on bent over rowing i needed straps because it was too heavy. yea, it was too heavy because i was using leg drive and not keeping my back perfectly parallel. fix my form, drop the weight, and no need for straps.

most people i see in the gym shouldn't have any need for straps; they either kill their form or reduce their rom.

**BPP** · 03-19-2004, 10:53 PM

1) you arent a pro
2) your grip could prolly use training
3) it will benefit you in the long run

i see kids at the college gym using straps for 70lb DB shrugs...WTF!?

train your damn grip...I can hold 100lb DBs for well over 2 minutes and you cant shrug 10reps with 60!?

seriously, straps are a crutch, gloves are worse

**Jericho574** · 03-20-2004, 01:01 AM

I think I was headed towards just working through it, and you guys verified it. Will let you know how it goes.

**CyberGod** · 03-20-2004, 06:02 AM

Hook grip +chalk on the deads;

ditch the straps.

**hyp3r3xt3nsion** · 03-20-2004, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by CyberGod
Hook grip +chalk on the deads;

ditch the straps.

hook grip...isn't that the 1 where your thumbs are smashed right nto the bar? ouch

**BigKazWSM747** · 03-20-2004, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by therookie
Who needs a strong grip when there are straps to help lift heavier weights. I see countless number of Pro bodybuilders using straps.......and they have been doing this for years.......i guess next i am going to hear that using gloves is bad too huh...

your ignorance is amazing. Explain to me what benefits you get by having a weak grip? And chalk is better than gloves.

**CyberGod** · 03-20-2004, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by hyp3r3xt3nsion
hook grip...isn't that the 1 where your thumbs are smashed right nto the bar? ouch

Yes; it does get a little time to get used to it, but I found it really useful. Took me 2-3 weeks so that the thumbs don't get sore anymore. No trouble with grip when deadlifting, even when I use high reps (15 reps).

**IronMike** · 03-20-2004, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by therookie
Whats the big deal with straps.......

On this board straps are evil, just like flys. I always use straps for heavy deadlifts I havn't noticed my grip getting any weaker on other lifts.

**Archangel_Lost** · 03-20-2004, 11:40 AM

When working up in weight, use an over-over grip (both palms facing you) until you can't do 6-8 reps without your hands frying out.. then, just use an over-under grip(one palm facing you, one facing away) with the heavier weights. You'd be suprised at how much easier DL is. I always use an over-under when doing heavy sets.

**hyp3r3xt3nsion** · 03-20-2004, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by BigKazWSM747
your ignorance is amazing. Explain to me what benefits you get by having a weak grip? And chalk is better than gloves.

i remember bob saying on here that if you take a weak grip on stuff you can focus more on mind-muscle and get better results :/

**ShutUpAndSquat** · 03-20-2004, 01:02 PM

Deadlift holds are your friend. Before, I had a hard time deadlifting 225 for 3 reps because my grip gave out. I did some intense deadlift holds for 2 weeks and wow...I never had a grip problem again. Flashback to now, gripping 365 pounds @ 155 is not an issue.

Try doing some deadlift holds after your normal deadlift routine and see how that works.

**BigKazWSM747** · 03-20-2004, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by hyp3r3xt3nsion
i remember bob saying on here that if you take a weak grip on stuff you can focus more on mind-muscle and get better results :/

Ugh, sometimes statements like those make me wonder exactly what people do with their abilities to reason to come up with such flawed statements. Let me pose an example for how flawed that is for weightlifting.

How exactly can you properly work your lats (without straps) if when rowing your grip gives out after 5 reps when you could do 10 with that weight if your grip was strong enough? You really can't because your weakness in gripping would restrict your progress in any lifts that required any grip strength to complete the movement.

**LostAnimal** · 03-20-2004, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by therookie
Whats the big deal with straps.......Ronnie Coleman and countless other BB'rs use the religously........i dont get it...

He used it for 800 in his video, when you pull 800, people might not get on your ass as much for using straps.

**hyp3r3xt3nsion** · 03-20-2004, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by BigKazWSM747
Ugh, sometimes statements like those make me wonder exactly what people do with their abilities to reason to come up with such flawed statements. Let me pose an example for how flawed that is for weightlifting.

How exactly can you properly work your lats (without straps) if when rowing your grip gives out after 5 reps when you could do 10 with that weight if your grip was strong enough? You really can't because your weakness in gripping would restrict your progress in any lifts that required any grip strength to complete the movement.

but apparently you can focus on the mind-muscle connection better; that must make up for it

hehe

**BPP** · 03-20-2004, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by LostAnimal
He used it for 800 in his video, when you pull 800, people might not get on your ass as much for using straps.

933 has been done without straps....800 or not, no straps

**JustinLee** · 03-20-2004, 04:15 PM

this is the same exact problem i've been having....glad i didnt have to make a thread....

i personally dont like gloves but my dLs just hurt so damn much once i try 225x6...at about the 4th its slipping and my hands dont want to hold the bar anymore....

i've tried the static holds for about 2 weeks and now i can finish my last set...

forget gloves and devote a lil time to grip training.it'll help you all around.

**kshatriya4life** · 03-20-2004, 04:20 PM

Here we go ..another thread where the regulars bash usage of straps, gloves.
Straps and gloves have nothing to do with lifting heavy. If your form is not good , that means you are trying to lift more than you can handle.
You can waste weeks and months trying to increase your grip strength and in the process miss out on training the relevant body parts or you can just go lighter on your lifts and build your way up

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